Why Am I A Bad Person For Like Large Breasts And Sexy Nuns?

CrystalShadow

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MeChaNiZ3D said:
Kalezian said:
Of course, just because of my preference to breast size, I'm considered a bad person automatically by the entire country of Australia since obviously no woman past the age of 18 can possibly have a, b, or c cups.
Oh please. Nobody thinks you're a bad person for liking small breasts. Strange, maybe for some, but not bad. This is a ridiculous proposition to begin with.
Ridiculous though it may sound, Australia has some messed up people in charge of censorship.
Porn has been banned solely on the grounds of the women in it having small breasts (roughly A cup)

On the grounds that surely, anything involving breasts that small must clearly be child pornography.
(Doesn't matter one bit whether you can prove the ages of the people involved by the way. 'Child pornography' by the Australian legal definition is 'anything which looks as though it depicts someone under the age of 18' - That's messed up on several levels, since 'looks under 18' is pretty open to interpretation, and on top of that '18' is not a physically meaningful age, so how can you define whether someone 'looks' under or over an age with no meaningful physical qualifications to it?)

By extension then, liking small breasts, by the logic of the Australian censorship bureau, makes you a peadophile.

Messed up, but unfortunately, more real than it should be...
 

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This week I watched the review of Dragon Crown and read the Critical Miss comic about it and there were a lot of people posting about how bad/stupid/disgusting the female body shapes were in the game. And I remember there was a similar uproar awhile ago about that Hitman: Absolution trailer where Agent 47 fights a bunch of stripperiffic nun assassins.

My question is, are you guys saying that if I like women who have large breasts and/or are dress as sexy nuns that I am a bad person?

Its that I do like women with the sort of figure you see in Dragon Crown or Hitman: Absolution, and the feeling I get from these flame wars is that there are a bunch of people out there saying that because I like women with big breasts, or women dressed in sexy outfits that I am bad/evil/immoral. The idea that someone would label me as a bad person just because I have a certain sexual preference makes me angry.
I think the main issue is that women like that don't exist. They're not real people, they're a sort of power/sex fantasy that's unattainable.

The problem with that is that it tends to reflect bad writing. The creator doesn't have enough talent to create an interesting, well rounded female character, so they create an unrealistically proportioned female character to attract people through sex appeal. That's basically what the creator of Dragon Crown said, anyway. He made characters like that in order to "stand out." Personally I find a well written, compelling female character more attractive anyway, even if she wears baggy shorts and has a small chest. Personality is attractive.

The problem then builds. The more fake, empty female husks there are in video games, the more women are seen as objects instead of people. That's not really something we tend to see with male characters. The problem is then that every factor of every game is tailored solely to men, and women get shafted.

You're not necessarily a bad person, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with having attractive women and men in video games. I love Tifa Lochheart, who has a compelling personality, on top of being physically attractive. The problem with games like the ones you mentioned is that sexiness is portrayed as that character primary (and sometimes only) character trait. This is a problem, there's no way around that. It's the same issue I have with most anime. When a female character exists for the sole purpose of being eye candy, or her entire personality centers around being sexy, then that is not a good character. Games can, and should, try harder. Therefore, the problem isn't about having attractive women in videogames, it's about that attractiveness defining their entire personality. That's why people get offended, and I think that's totally justified.

There's a difference between a female character asserting her sexuality, and a female character being exploited. If a female character walks around in an outfit that's more sexy then functional (female warrior walking around in a metal bikini and high heels) then she's clearly being exploited. If she has no personality, or behaves unrealistically, or her primary trait is to be attractive, then she's being exploited. If she just happens to be attractive, or embraces her sexuality like a mature adult, but that has no bearing whatsoever on her personality, then she's a decent character. She's not an attractive girl who happens to have a personality, she's a well rounded intriguing character who just happens to attractive.
 

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Silverblade said:
This week I watched the review of Dragon Crown and read the Critical Miss comic about it and there were a lot of people posting about how bad/stupid/disgusting the female body shapes were in the game. And I remember there was a similar uproar awhile ago about that Hitman: Absolution trailer where Agent 47 fights a bunch of stripperiffic nun assassins.

My question is, are you guys saying that if I like women who have large breasts and/or are dress as sexy nuns that I am a bad person?

Its that I do like women with the sort of figure you see in Dragon Crown or Hitman: Absolution, and the feeling I get from these flame wars is that there are a bunch of people out there saying that because I like women with big breasts, or women dressed in sexy outfits that I am bad/evil/immoral. The idea that someone would label me as a bad person just because I have a certain sexual preference makes me angry.
Anyone who sits in judgment of you for liking large breasts doesn't really have grounds to stand on, at least as far as calling you a "bad person". They might think you're shallow and superficial or call you immature for saying that the Sorceress is your favorite character specifically because she's got ample jubblies, but that doesn't make you a bad person.

More importantly: why the hell should you care what other people think about your tastes? Take it from an ICP fan: the only person whose opinion matters in terms of your tastes (regardless of what they are or in what medium is in discussion) is yourself. ESPECIALLY on the internet where 99% of the people you encounter are completely random jackasses you'll never meet in real life. They're just faceless names with a keyboard and an opinion, why should you care what it is?

That said, if you've a taste for doing things that society as a whole agrees are reprehensible (murdering people, robbing people, cruelty to animals, etc) then your tastes make you a bad person. But there's nothing wrong with liking the look of some jiggling fun-bags no matter what any else says.

Good lord...I hate topics like this...what the hell am I even doing here?
 

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You're not a bad person for liking large breasts and sexy nuns.

You are a bad person if you think it's fine and dandy that there's such a strong expectation in society (and especially in nerd/gamer society) that women are obligated to be physically attractive to you. I'm definitely not saying you think that. Hopefully you don't. But far too many of us do.

The criticism for games like Dragon Crown (or at least the legitimate criticism) is that by putting so much emphasis on the sexual characteristics of its female characters, it continues to suggest that that's what's important about them. Really, Dragon Crown and Hitman: Absolution have nothing to do with anything; they're just being scapegoated as especially brazen symbols of a wider issue.

Once there are tons of popular games where female characters are more than their looks, then female characters who do happen to look good (to you) will be unproblematic.
 

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People just don't like talking about it. It makes THEM feel uncomfortable. Most of them wouldn't admit it but they like large breasts too, it's programmed into our brains, the sign of a suitable partner.

And some people may have a disposition on the nun part, which is more understandable because it's a corruption of a religious symbol to catholics. But fetishes can develop early out of the littlest things, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Neurons can get set into random patterns due to early situations, some psychologists would argue you could also be born with certain quirks regardless of interference in brain development.

It's really quite interesting, but I'm starting to ramble.
tl;dr hypocrites and uptight people are the ones with a problem, not you.
 

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Kyrdra said:
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You're not a bad person for liking the cheap tittilation video games send your way because at least they have an abundance of interesting and/or complex female characters to compensate for the overwhelming amount of Tits McGee characters...

Oh, wait...
Wait are you saying that he is bad person because the producer of said product fails to provide something other than what he likes?
Her anger seems more directed at the gaming industry as a whole.
 

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EHKOS said:
People just don't like talking about it. It makes THEM feel uncomfortable. Most of them wouldn't admit it but they like large breasts too, it's programmed into our brains, the sign of a suitable partner.

And some people may have a disposition on the nun part, which is more understandable because it's a corruption of a religious symbol to catholics. But fetishes can develop early out of the littlest things, it's nothing to be ashamed of. Neurons can get set into random patterns due to early situations, some psychologists would argue you could also be born with certain quirks regardless of interference in brain development.

It's really quite interesting, but I'm starting to ramble.
tl;dr hypocrites and uptight people are the ones with a problem, not you.
Um...no. I find large breasts to be very attractive, but I like large to mean within the realm of physical possibility. I've got quite a folder filled with stuff I'd rather not talk about where everyone can see. I very much enjoy the sight of a naked woman. I still think the Sorceress looks stupid, and for a very simple reason. There is a time and a place for sexualized things. A frontline fighter who is wearing a low cut top isn't one of them, unless it is there for a good reason, like with Bayonetta.
 

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Silverblade said:
This week I watched the review of Dragon Crown and read the Critical Miss comic about it and there were a lot of people posting about how bad/stupid/disgusting the female body shapes were in the game. And I remember there was a similar uproar awhile ago about that Hitman: Absolution trailer where Agent 47 fights a bunch of stripperiffic nun assassins.

My question is, are you guys saying that if I like women who have large breasts and/or are dress as sexy nuns that I am a bad person?

Its that I do like women with the sort of figure you see in Dragon Crown or Hitman: Absolution, and the feeling I get from these flame wars is that there are a bunch of people out there saying that because I like women with big breasts, or women dressed in sexy outfits that I am bad/evil/immoral. The idea that someone would label me as a bad person just because I have a certain sexual preference makes me angry.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying sexploitation and/or nunsploitation. Hell, I enjoy my blacksploitation and jewsploitation films without shame. They have a market and rightly so. Not everything can be cerebral masterpieces. With that said, if you produce such works, expect them to be treated like trash.

When exploitative works come out, they will be criticized for being exploitative... that's kinda a no-brainer. The reason for this is that exploitation is a cheap form of entertainment and will be called out for being such. Once again, you are not a bad person for enjoying such works, but the designer/developer/producer/game is seen as shallow and will be condescended by anyone who takes the medium seriously. And rightly so.
 

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It's my opinion that no-one's sexual or aesthetic preferences are a problem until it hurts someone else. (This is why pedophilia is bad: by acting on it AT ALL you're harming someone else.) Likewise, a preference for large breasts wasn't an issue until it informed the design of almost every single female character in video games. Dragon's Crown probably wouldn't have gotten the press it did if the guy behind the art hadn't replied to the token level of criticism by pretty much saying "LOL UR GAY". I call it token criticism because it's always there, but it usually doesn't get press. There's always going to be a smallish group of feminists and the like complaining about the sexism in a given game's design. (That's not to say that they don't have a point, just that they're always there.)
 

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No your not a bad person. Lots of people like porn. Because thats what it is. Porn. Most video game contain a good deal of male-oriented porn. And if your okay with the industry being capable of aspiring to nothing more then porn, then you're fine. If you fine with every goddamn action game in the universe trying to throw in porn as a feature, then you are the current ideal demographic. But if you think that there should be a few games that are NOT porn, then maybe theres a problem here. Personally, I'd like to, every once in a while, have female character that I can interact with that I don't feel like the creators want me to masturbate to. For variety sake, if anything.

Personally, even in my porn, I prefer human women, and not creepy, alien, chest-based flesh-mountains.
 

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Eri said:
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Hey, when i see the overlarge dicks of sexy muscled men pointing out of their pants and dancing around in front of my face, i'll complain no more!
Then make a game like that? Or get people together and get voices heard you want one made. If one hasn't been made, it's obvious the demand isn't there.
Bullshit - it just means the demand (if there is one) hasn't been filled. You can't go back to the pre-mobile phone days and say "No one's made a mobile phone, so obviously the demand isn't there". I don't know if any "look at my dick" games have even been made, so it's hard to gauge if there's a demand for it or not - we won't know until someone makes the product.
 

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Colour Scientist said:
You're not a bad person for liking the cheap tittilation video games send your way because at least they have an abundance of interesting and/or complex female characters to compensate for the overwhelming amount of Tits McGee characters...

Oh, wait...
To be fair, there are not many interesting/complex characters...period. Even though there are on average many more male characters, the number of interesting/complex male or female characters are almost the same.
 

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intentional stylization or not, it doesn't stop it from being nightmare material



the whole "my horrible aesthetically unpleasing artwork is my style" sounds like a 16 year old DA user.
Of the Dragon's Crown characters I always found the Amazon to be the most horrible design, she looks even more mind-bendingly weird in three dimensions it would appear. That figurine is just...I shan't sleep for hours!

Liking big boobs doesn't make you a bad person. Big boobs are okay. The whole Dragon's Crown fiasco was a bit blown out of proportion (ironically) I think because the art style used was just so uniquely odd. I have no issue with the witch having massive knockers or that the amazon is scantily clad, I think their tiny heads and the weird muscles-on-muscles-on-muscles thing the amazon has going on below the waist to be more disturbing. But if that's what you like then I have no probalem with that, you aren't hurting anyone by liking them.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with liking the sexy nuns from Hitman. Latex is sexy (nuns not so much) but obviously isn't to everyones tastes. The only issue I have with the offending trailer is that the Saints are apparently a bit shit at their job, although maybe it's just that Agent 47 is a super badass. Plus you'd expect a hitsquad sent to take out a highly skilled assassin might have tried to be a bit more inconspicuous and not all stand together. But I digress. Again, your preference for sexy outfits doesn't make you a bad person unless you stole the outfit for a woman to wear or got one that is two sizes too small deliberately and then watch her try and squeeze in to it as you chortle nearby.
 

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Think that the fact that you're even wondering if you're a bad person because you like tits is the real problem OP.
 

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Ryotknife said:
Colour Scientist said:
You're not a bad person for liking the cheap tittilation video games send your way because at least they have an abundance of interesting and/or complex female characters to compensate for the overwhelming amount of Tits McGee characters...

Oh, wait...
To be fair, there are not many interesting/complex characters...period. Even though there are on average many more male characters, the number of interesting/complex male or female characters are almost the same.
Yeah, that's kind of the problem overall. The writing in video games, on average, is kind of shit. This is just one of the many MANY symptoms, and it's a bit of a sore spot for many people.
 

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The reason people don't like Dragon's Crown sorceress's figure is because it's bloody stupid.

They're not hating you because you enjoy that body shape. But seeing how that's all her body shape is good for - pandering - then it's not hard to see why they're annoyed that YET ANOTHER game offers little in the way of realistic females and spends EVEN MORE time trying to titillate an increasingly jaded audience.

Why do people tell me to stop being so uptight because I'm annoyed by the lack of another Jade? Or Alyx? Hell, I'd even take another New Lara Croft at this point.
 

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DugMachine said:
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And before the comparison to "buff guys" comes up. Giant breasts don't convey physical power.
They might convey sexual power though, which could be something which female members of the audience desire.
Yes some female gamers may want bigger breasts to fulfill some sort of insecurity they have but it doesn't change the fact that boobs in no way empower you physically when you're supposed to be fighting monsters. If anything they would just get in the way.
It's not necessarily an insecurity issue. Could just be a desire to be sexually intimidating. Think Bayonetta, or catwoman from Tim Burtons batman, where sexuality is simultaniously used to control or influence the actions of others, particularly individuals that would be otherwise unassailable, and convey a sort of confident danger.
 
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I take the designs as cartoonish overblown ideals of what A and B will look like. Men are ridiculous. Women are ridiculous. All of it is gross and misshapen. Like the knight. Wearing all that armor and carrying around all the time... that's a freaking load on your legs. They will be bigger than those pretzels he's walking on, especially with all that swinging. I mean, if we're going to talk about all the inconsistencies, let's do it.

Nor should the Elf be so lithe. Has anyone ever used a Bow? I mean, really used it? There's a reason why these people have such cut arms.

The designs are all grossly laughable, from start to finish. The Amazon... I don't even know where to go in with that. It's all wrong. It's a weird mix of fat and muscle but it's there. The Knight should have some type of legs carrying all that stuff around. The Elf should be cut to shit. Hell, I can see the Sorcess still having those things because... she's not really fighting. She's throwing around magic. It would make sense that she has those things even if she does fight monsters all day. Because she's not doing it with a sword. Just will and magic.

It's all cartoonish. People, let it go.