Why are people against killing whales?

pffh

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Calatar said:
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Blatherscythe said:
Every species has a role to play in the ecosystem, whales eat plankton, fish and squid. Whales keep the fish and squid populations down so they don't overpopulate and kill themselves off.
You know who also eat planktons? Fish, and you know who also eat fish? No? Well it's us humans and we can keep the fish population "under control".
Essentially you don't care what species die, so long as you're unaffected.

We overhunt fish too. We overhunt a lot of stuff we hunt. Especially when it comes to things with slow reproductive cycles and large lifetimes (K strategists). Historically, we suck at figuring out just what our effects on the environment will be. And those with vested commercial interest in hunting typically aren't the best at determining how much is "too much" hunting. We're ecologically short-sighted. We may have power over our environment, but we don't have control.

Still, the main reason why people don't like hunting whales is people feel empathy for whales. If you're capable of feeling empathy for non-human species, you'll probably feel like not shooting tiny bombs into whales which causes them to painfully bleed to death. If you aren't, then you don't give a damn, and they're just objects waiting to be eaten and processed by humans.
No you're right I do not feel empathy for animals I do not personally know and I do not see why I should. But I am not saying that we should kill all the whales, what I am saying is that it should be okey for use to hunt whales that are not endangered just like I think that all animals that are not endangered should be fair game (pun intended :þ) in hunting for food purposes.
 

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cuddly_tomato said:
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just a couple of thoughts:

gibboss28 said:
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theoddman said:
I'll let George Carlin do the talking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=player_embedded
The guy in the video is an idiot frankly.

25 species a day go extinct "regardless" of human activity?

In this day and age, with information available to anyone with access to a computer, there is no excuse for such ignorant stupidity from anyone living in the developed world. Human activity is causing the sixth mass extinction [http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4797-earth-faces-sixth-mass-extinction.html].
In defense of the clip: that clip was from 1992, its completely irrelevant now and I guarantee if he was still doing stand up he wouldn't have said something that stupid with as you say the information available to everyone with access to a computer.

Not to put down what you are saying, but i figured an FYI would be a good thing to put there, cause I like George Carlin I found him to be a very funny and very accurate (most of the time time, obviously) comedian.
But he does have a point, anything we do to the earth, short of a virus bomb, the earth will recover, as it has numerous times before. An species going extinct isnt necessarily bad, how would you like it if dinosaurs were still around and eating us left right and center?
The dude in the video, Carlin or whatever, has no point except the fact that he is extremely ignorant. There is no way to justify wiping out entire ecosystems "because". Human beings are an ecological disaster for the planet and there really isn't a reason for it beyond lazyness, pride, or cost, and they aren't good reasons at all.

insaneHoshi said:
Also could people stop saying "whales are endangered" Whales Can not be endangered, because they arnt a SPECIES. Just because some whale species are endangered doesnt mean the whole Order is.
Whales are endangered though. Keep over-fishing, keep polluting, keep on wrecking the very place you live and they will be gone, just like so many other creatures before them have gone. The difference between now and the last 65 million years is that this is a mass extinction, and biodiversity is under severe attack. If it continues at its current rate we run the real risk of going that way ourselves.
And once humans are done with all our frucking over the ecosystems, planed earth wont skip a beat, it WILL heal its self and life will continue to go on like it has for about 3 billion years. I ask what is bad about Destroying an ecosystem?
What is so bad about destroying an ecosystem of the earth is that I would like to something for my children and their children to live on, thank you.

The life that is here isn't some unthinking resource for us to plunder. It is alive, hence the reason it is called "life". Wrecking it just to demonstrate that you can strikes me as immature and short-sighted, not to mention foolish beyond belief.

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An NO WHALES ARE NOT FUCKING endangered, Some whale (maby most) species are endangered. Are all Primates endangered because chimps and orangatangs endangered? NO, last time i checked there is 7 billion primates on this planed, doesnt sound endangered, does it?
The entire oceanic environment [http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/314/5800/787] is endangered. Whales, just for your information, live in the sea.
Ah but the only reason you and your children are (will be?) here is because of the destruction of ecosystems. ie the destruction of all the ecosystems where you live, where you work, where your food is grown, and replaced with something more human.

and im pretty sure life is here for me to plunder, ie consume. if i didnt plunder life, im sure I would die of starvation, i cant live off rocks. Also i contend that all those whalers don't really want to hunt these whales to extinction, most are intelligent enough to realize if they hunt them to extinction, they are outa a job.

oh good job, you know how to link an article that only the brief preface you have read. (unless you are actually are registered to the magazine to view the full article) And if you haven't read the full article how can you make any valid conclusions from it? And if you haven't made any valid conclusions from it, What it is doing in your post? Surely not to just make your post look truthful and well backed up? And Just because something is published does not make it true.

see i can link stuff too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangered

If you read any of it you will realize that whales or the order Cetacea, can not be endangered as only species can be endangered. Perhaps if every species in the order was endangered, your statement "Whales are endangered" could hold some water, but since not every whale species is endangered, your point is Moot

QED
 

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There is no species on Earth that's stupid enough to hunt another to extinction except humans.
This arguments always comes up when people talk about animals near to extinction, or any ecological nonsense...

And it's complete and utter bullshit. If anything, Humanity's sentience makes us less likely to do this sort of thing.

Other animals however, are not so forgiving. Forms of Algae, for example, have destroyed entire ecosystems in ponds and lakes by blocking out sunlight, and effectively suffocating every living organism inside. Red and Black Ants famously have enormous conflicts between colonies over resources (in human terms, you'd call this "genocide", as the colour difference is the only thing that separates the ants). Heck, the smallest and most basic form of life on earth, the virus, effectively procreates by destroying other species it encounters.

And before you say "but they're not smart enough to know what they're doing is wrong", smarter animals are usually worse. Elephants, considered to be one of the few species with a similar level of intellect to humans (elephants, unlike most animals, possess a sense of self, as in, they know what they are. If you show an elephant a mirror, it knows it's looking at it's reflection, unlike say, a dog, which thinks it's seeing a different dog), have been observed killing other species for entertainment alone.

If you seriously think that any other species, given half the chance, wouldn't kill the entire population of another for food, or because they're competing for food, then you are gravely mistaken.
 

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LordNue said:
Lebynthos said:
the stonker said:
Are they in any risk of being stop existing?
Think about it they eat tones of food every day and they are pretty much big blubber bags.
If your arguement is "They are so cute,I wear a whale T-shirt:Don't hurt them" then your just being irrational.
So I ask you escapists, why shouldn't we just kill the whales? More food for us and I call it survival.


P.s. I come from Iceland where whale hunting isn't so illegal and everyone frown upon it so I don't get the point.
Well why bother keeping humans alive? They're just sacks of meat waiting to die.

I don't know if you've noticed, but we've already turned eating cows, sheep and pigs into an industry, why do we need to go after the animals that there are significantly less of, just for a tasty bite?
Because we can. Because we want to. Why not? There's no reason not to. Its edible therefore we should eat it. I want to eat tiger, I wish they weren't endangered so I could.
We SHOULD eat it? That's a bit odd. I can go fuck my sister if I want to. I can go stab someone in the face if I want to. Does it mean I should?
 

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LordNue said:
Again, Minke Whales, least concern and not really endangered...you haven't been keeping up have you?
No, not really. Shhh...
 

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because it takes close to a year for them to reproduce ONE offspring, and yeah they are kinda at risk because of the amount of whaling... now i'm not supporting either side, but eh take things in moderation
 

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marter said:
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Because whales are not what most consider a traditional animal to kill. They are also a lot harder to breed, unlike cattle or pigs.
We in norway have been killing whales for over 1200 years >_>
You can say we have a.. tradition for hunting it =)
My breeding point still stands.

I was also talking from a North American standpoint, as that is where I am from. I know that in some places, Whales have been hunted, but those countries have now hunted too much and have not allowed the species to replenish.

So shame on you...
*coughs* International hunting of whale hasnt really been going on since the early 80s.
And the population is rather large now.. just the Minke whale is estemated to be around 110 000 animals.. japan and norway catches some 1400 a year of these.. and thats not really a problem.
 

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Because they help fight Global Warming.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/science/7480-Science-Whales-Fight-Global-Warming.4

And are you actively supporting their extinctions?
 

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Grahwo said:
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As far as I know whale hunting is illegal everywhere, yet they still do it in Japan.
No, it's not.
Norway hasn't agreed to the IWC's ban of whaling and therefore isn't bound by it.
Sorry, my bad. I read something like this once, but I'm no expert.
 

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the stonker said:
Are they in any risk of being stop existing?
Think about it they eat tones of food every day and they are pretty much big blubber bags.
If your arguement is "They are so cute,I wear a whale T-shirt:Don't hurt them" then your just being irrational.
So I ask you escapists, why shouldn't we just kill the whales? More food for us and I call it survival.


P.s. I come from Iceland where whale hunting isn't so illegal and everyone frown upon it so I don't get the point.
Because we have no claim to the title of "only species worth looking after". They have every right to exist with us, and more importantly they serve a function in the ecosystem that most people don't realize exists by eating tonnes upon tonnes of tiny fish that would otherwise bloom into an overabundance, causing problems for other species...
 

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Magnalian said:
Grahwo said:
Magnalian said:
As far as I know whale hunting is illegal everywhere, yet they still do it in Japan.
No, it's not.
Norway hasn't agreed to the IWC's ban of whaling and therefore isn't bound by it.
Sorry, my bad. I read something like this once, but I'm no expert.
same goes to japan..
But they have started to catch FinWhale.. (some 50ish a year) and that on the other hand isnt so great.. beacause the population of FInwhale is seriously limited. >_>
 

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Still, the main reason why people don't like hunting whales is people feel empathy for whales. If you're capable of feeling empathy for non-human species, you'll probably feel like not shooting tiny bombs into whales which causes them to painfully bleed to death. If you aren't, then you don't give a damn, and they're just objects waiting to be eaten and processed by humans.
Death is death man, you cant cut it any other way. And i think bleeding to death is actually a painless way to go, slit the neck and just wait for the animal do get tired and fall down, how my great gran did it in the old country.
 

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LordNue said:
Lebynthos said:
the stonker said:
Are they in any risk of being stop existing?
Think about it they eat tones of food every day and they are pretty much big blubber bags.
If your arguement is "They are so cute,I wear a whale T-shirt:Don't hurt them" then your just being irrational.
So I ask you escapists, why shouldn't we just kill the whales? More food for us and I call it survival.


P.s. I come from Iceland where whale hunting isn't so illegal and everyone frown upon it so I don't get the point.
Well why bother keeping humans alive? They're just sacks of meat waiting to die.

I don't know if you've noticed, but we've already turned eating cows, sheep and pigs into an industry, why do we need to go after the animals that there are significantly less of, just for a tasty bite?
Because we can. Because we want to. Why not? There's no reason not to. Its edible therefore we should eat it. I want to eat tiger, I wish they weren't endangered so I could.
IE for shits and giggles. "Because we can" and "Why not?"

If aliens visited the earth, I don't think we'd have much of a hope for survival if they had that attitude.

"It's edible therefore we should eat it" would also apply to humans.

I personally think it's commendable to have a low ecological footprint, rather than destroy things just "because we can."
 

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/science/7480-Science-Whales-Fight-Global-Warming.4
another reason if it wasn't listed eariler
 

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LordNue said:
Lebynthos said:
LordNue said:
Lebynthos said:
the stonker said:
Are they in any risk of being stop existing?
Think about it they eat tones of food every day and they are pretty much big blubber bags.
If your arguement is "They are so cute,I wear a whale T-shirt:Don't hurt them" then your just being irrational.
So I ask you escapists, why shouldn't we just kill the whales? More food for us and I call it survival.


P.s. I come from Iceland where whale hunting isn't so illegal and everyone frown upon it so I don't get the point.
Well why bother keeping humans alive? They're just sacks of meat waiting to die.

I don't know if you've noticed, but we've already turned eating cows, sheep and pigs into an industry, why do we need to go after the animals that there are significantly less of, just for a tasty bite?
Because we can. Because we want to. Why not? There's no reason not to. Its edible therefore we should eat it. I want to eat tiger, I wish they weren't endangered so I could.
We SHOULD eat it? That's a bit odd. I can go fuck my sister if I want to. I can go stab someone in the face if I want to. Does it mean I should?
If you want to you could. We have laws against that sort of thing but go wild man, seriously. They'll haul you off but go nuts and enjoy it. We are after all animals. The smart animals are the worst of them too, chimps will rape, murder and whore themselves out for food after eating and killing other chimp's children. But I digress, the whale is still an animal. Since day one the human instinct towards an animal has been "Is that thing edible? Lets kill it and eat it." Kill and eat is what we do best, just because they're fat dolphins doesn't mean they should be exempt from this. People have said they're tasty, a lot better tasting then the shit on the land. People eat roaches, crickets and things too. They're not cows and chickens, should we stop them from eating those too? Should we stop vegetarians. Plants are living beings too, should we stop the helpless slaughter of those hapless plants?
'Could' and 'should' are two very different concepts though.

Humans are animals also, should we be eating them? I hear there are quite a few of them, and most of them are poor so we might as well just put them out of their misery.

I have absolutely no problem with the killing and eating of animals, it's a fully necessary part of life. A very fucking delicious one too, but hunting to the point of extinction just seems... excessive. And we pride ourselves on being intelligent, so you would think we know when to stop.

Of course, it doesn't matter one way or the other. There is no 'should' in the universe, everything ends up the same way. But we strive for to make our own lives as good as we can, I don't see the necessity in wiping species off the earth just for a tasty meal.