- Oct 1, 2009
The same function is also used during the HALO jump intro, the torture scene and many other scenes in which the perspective of Snake could be interesting or important to the plot. As such, it is a mechanic used throughout the game and not just a one-off that lets the player get their T&A on when EVA is around.Samtemdo8 said:Did you know there are sequences in MGS3 with EVA where pressing the highlighted "R1" button in the cutscenes with EVA you see through the eyes of Snake that he is staring at EVA's Clevage and Bikini Ass.
Was that necessary for the game? Why else did Hideo Kojima added those options?
You assume... poorly. Let me explain in both a meta sense and a more generalized sense:Samtemdo8 said:As to what you mean yes I get the point of EVA she uses sex to get what she wants but I assume that obviously thats something Femenist would still dislike as some male fantasy of a female spy.
1. In the meta and narrative sense, both Quiet and EVA are often undressed to some degree. EVA, however, is quite clearly in control of her undressing as far as the plot goes. She unzips her suit or undresses because she can use it as a tool to manipulate Snake, but she is also seen zipping up before riding off on her motorcycle or otherwise leaving Snake, which provides a subtle clue that she's trying to manipulate Snake. What this means is that as far as feminist theory goes we see that EVA has agency over her own nudity, she is in total control of when and how she chooses to undress and uses it to her own advantage. That's not to say that she's not fanservice, but it is fanservice that is also well-integrated into the larger narrative (EVA manipulating Snake for her own gains) and has an entirely different meta-narrative tone than Quiet's fanservice.
Quiet's fanservice, you see, is established in the narrative as being entirely forced upon her. She's either scantily clad or dead. Not only that, but her way of "dressing" doesn't even make sense within the justification given in-narrative. She has to wear little clothing to breath, and decides on thong and leather bra with some rubber/leather arm guard and torn stockings. This is not only shitty wear anywhere but a beach, it is incredibly shitty for a sniper. The design of Quiet is total fanservice and clashes with her intended role in the game. EVA's design was also fanservicey, but was tonally consistent with the rest of the game and suited her role in the game.
So what this means is that not only does Quiet's design feel out of place, it is also atrocious from a feminist theoretical perspective because Quiet has no choice but to reveal herself, she has to reduce herself to an object to be gawked at (not helped by her shitty choice of attire) because reasons. Where EVA has the power to appear as she wishes in the narrative, Quiet can never be anything but fanservice. Needless to say this difference is hugely important for many feminists, as it is the difference between presenting a woman as having agency versus presenting a woman as being merely submissive and reactive.
Then you will have to accept that the people who follow 14 pages worth of thread tells you when you are using arguments that have already been presented and dismissed.Samtemdo8 said:And yes I did not read this whole thread because well I am not one of those people that reads 14 pages worth of walls of text in a thread forum.
Good for you. For me, it is one of the things that has me thinking I can hold off on the game for a bit longer. That's how shitty I think her design is.Samtemdo8 said:And I established that I personally don't care that Quiet is dressed the way she is and I accept her as Fanservice.