That I don't really like people who try and quell criticism. And your comments kind of reek of dismissal.Ricardo Lima said:Snip
Plus your "I call it as I see it" tactics also reek of oversimplifying opposing viewpoints.
That I don't really like people who try and quell criticism. And your comments kind of reek of dismissal.Ricardo Lima said:Snip
Says the guy determined to find offense in what I say and quell my criticism. I validate your unrealistic complaint but you keep going at this. I stated I wasnt directing the comment at everyone who has criticism yet you kept at it.erttheking said:That I don't really like people who try and quell criticism. And your comments kind of reek of dismissal.Ricardo Lima said:Snip
Plus your "I call it as I see it" tactics also reek of oversimplifying opposing viewpoints.
No, they really do just want to ruin people's fun.LifeCharacter said:Maybe because they're not having as much fun? Maybe because the thing you think is fun isn't as fun for them? I mean, I know it's horrible that they'd dare to actually vocalize their dislike of a thing you like, but that's probably the reason, rather than them just wanting to ruin your fun.Jake Martinez said:Fictional characters.
It's all for fun, right? So why does everyone have to get butt hurt over other people having fun?
I think really I'm only drawing the conclusion that I am because of the nature of the criticism is overwrought and seems highly agitated. Like it's simply not enough for people to state their case, they NEED other people to agree with them. Like for instance, you seem very agitated that I am not agreeing with you and that I find continued "expressions of critcisim", particularly from the same people, ad naesuem, to be less of a "here is my opinion" type of scenario and more of "stop liking things I don't like scenario".LifeCharacter said:I got to here before I stopped putting any stock in what you had to say. Partly because you seem to think that because Hideo Kojima designed a character a certain way and has a habit of doing such that he and his works are beyond any and all criticism no matter the circumstances. But mostly because you want to believe that anyone who disagrees with you is just some irrational fun vampire out to ruin everyone's good time because they couldn't possibly just want something less stupid or sexist to enjoy themselves. Apparently "I think this game is great and I love this character but wow that outfit's dumb and the reason even more so" should be taken as "I hate this game and everyone who likes it."Jake Martinez said:No, they really do just want to ruin people's fun.
I would feel sorry that you immediately assume that people who dare criticize things you like are just doing it because they hate that you're having fun, but it's such an obnoxious mindset to have that I'm having trouble doing so. So... yeah, enjoy that.
If your, or anybody's, fun is so easily spoiled, I would hazard a guess that that something is wrong. In fact, if you, or anybody, suddenly stops having fun when this happens, this sounds a bit like "getting butt hurt", to me.Jake Martinez said:No, they really do just want to ruin people's fun.
What you said doesn't make any sense.DoPo said:If your, or anybody's, fun is so easily spoiled, I would hazard a guess that that something is wrong. In fact, if you, or anybody, suddenly stops having fun when this happens, this sounds a bit like "getting butt hurt", to me.Jake Martinez said:No, they really do just want to ruin people's fun.
What was that you said about that state?
I don't really think there is much worth responding to out of your post except for the above passage. I'm going to try to help you understand how you are coming off to people and hopefully it will make it easier for you to express yourself in the future in a way that is constructive.LifeCharacter said:I wasn't aware being agitated meant that you had suddenly devoted your time to ruining other people's fun. Nor was I aware that having the same people having the same criticism for the same things was some weird occurrence that means there must be some ulterior motive behind it; I would take that to mean that those particular people don't like a thing and express their dislike when they see it, especially if they see what they dislike in a prominent place, and even more especially if it's in something they otherwise like. I guess being consistent means that you're being disingenuous and you have an ulterior motive?Jake Martinez said:I think really I'm only drawing the conclusion that I am because of the nature of the criticism is overwrought and seems highly agitated. Like it's simply not enough for people to state their case, they NEED other people to agree with them. Like for instance, you seem very agitated that I am not agreeing with you and that I find continued "expressions of critcisim", particularly from the same people, ad naesuem, to be less of a "here is my opinion" type of scenario and more of "stop liking things I don't like scenario".
Dean, I strongly oppose the mentality you are describing. I'm not always right nor is anyone else. You are never closer to being totally wrong than when you believe you are totally right. Fanaticism for any cause is a mind killer.DeanCain said:Saw your response to errtheking after this one. I don't take the term moral crusader personally. If you'll notice, I don't say much of anything on social topics. No, I just hate the mentality that's become more and more prevalent on this site since the start of GG that I'M just trying to explain my point of view rationally but the enemy can't possibly be serious and/or intelligent because they don't agree with me. So because people here disagree with you, they clearly must be sex negative moral crusaders. Because that's totally not meant perjoratively, right? The response of the "anti-PC" crowd is "Quit complaining about other point of view because you're totally stupid and wrong!", showing an astounding lack of self awareness. Don't care about naked vidja game characters; totally hate blatant hypocrisy.Ricardo Lima said:Avoid name-calling even implied. It's possible to agree to disagree. I stated my opinion clearly and I did not direct it at any specific person. When I mentioned originally moral crusader seems to me you and others took it very personally. Why?
Did you consider that people might take offense to your post? I mean... Whilst you were caught up in your righteous indignation, did you consider what you were actually saying about those who might take a different view to you?pookie101 said:lets see the only female character you have, who dresses like a stripper, rolls around like a stripper, where the camera focuses on her ass and breasts, who says nothing all because of "breathing through her skin".. which makes no sense anyway because she has body paint and clothing options later
it feels tacky to be honest and goes so far beyond fan service it plows straight on into wank service.
why are people getting upset at it? well if she wasnt treated as some twisted males ideal of the perfect female who doesnt say anything and just looks and acts like a whore, she would be one of the most interesting characters seen this year.
the industry has reached the point of this sort of BS is crossing into completely unacceptable territory, konami and kojima still act like the only people who play games are 12 yo males.
plus the fact some people cant even see who it might be offensive to others is part of the issue
This is exactly the point I am trying to make.Sexual Harassment Panda said:If it's "unacceptable" for you, then don't play it. Or are we talking broadly here? Is this "unacceptable" for anyone to consume? You could surely imagine how people might not take kindly to that?
I really love the juxtaposition of that statement and how it shows that subjectively people are more than happy to ignore realism in some cases, but not in others.setting_son said:Case in point - my girlfriend was happily attaching sheep to balloons and roaming around on a horse but the way Quiet was presented soured the game for her.
No, unfortunately, we can't. I personally like her character design. I don't find anything stupid about it at all.(And yes, I am aware that MGS has always been a bit silly. And yes, I know Sniper Wolf was under-dressed for the climate but I think we can all agree that Quiet's design is several orders of magnitude stupider than anything in MGS and historic eccentricity shouldn't be a get out of jail free card to avoid all criticism)
Jake Martinez said:I really love the juxtaposition of that statement and how it shows that subjectively people are more than happy to ignore realism in some cases, but not in others.setting_son said:Case in point - my girlfriend was happily attaching sheep to balloons and roaming around on a horse but the way Quiet was presented soured the game for her.
No, unfortunately, we can't. I personally like her character design. I don't find anything stupid about it at all.(And yes, I am aware that MGS has always been a bit silly. And yes, I know Sniper Wolf was under-dressed for the climate but I think we can all agree that Quiet's design is several orders of magnitude stupider than anything in MGS and historic eccentricity shouldn't be a get out of jail free card to avoid all criticism)
Where am I offended and where am I quelling your criticism? I'm criticizing your criticism, hardly quelling. Validated in an incredibly dismissive way. It's basically a not!apology, like you just did right now. It's like apologizing for insulting someone by saying "I'm sorry you're so thin skinned"Ricardo Lima said:[Snip
Not posting on the Escapist, as far as I can tell.Ricardo Lima said:Never heard of it. And I'm not talking about satirical work. The people accusing Quiets outfit is stimulating sexual violence, misogynistic, problematic, etc are in doing what exactly?
A non "moral-crusader" critique of Quiet looks like a scathing rebuke of MGS: Ground Forces centering around the audio log where Chico and Paz are tortured and raped?Ricardo Lima said:https://archive.is/hRN3d /altnameJag said:I have a morbid curiosity to know what a non-"Moral-Crusader" critique of Quiet would even look like at this point.