Why are so many of you guys unemployed?

CrazyCapnMorgan

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sky14kemea said:
Elfgore said:
sky14kemea said:
Sorry to hear that, Sky. Didn't realize you were in that dire financial straights. Hopefully something comes along soon, I'll miss your colorful avatars and cheerful demeanor.
Ahhh it's alright. I always find a way through. I just save money by not ever turning the heating on.

In winter.

My cheerfulness hides my pain. :'D

[sub](But seriously thank you for the support. :] )[/sub]
In this case, I will refrain from making you laugh and spit out whatever drink you might have because, if I did do that to you, I would feel really bad.


EDIT: It took me almost 6 months to find another job after the previous one I had nearly killed me twice. Now, where I work, I'm going to be working overtime until June, most likely, and then the overtime will start again in October. A real feast or famine thing around my neck of the woods, it seems.

Now, I may not have much of a social life, seeing as how I work third shift an' all, but I would like it if I could get some quality game time in, dammit. >.<
 

sky14kemea

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CrazyCapnMorgan said:
In this case, I will refrain from making you laugh and spit out whatever drink you might have because, if I did do that to you, I would feel really bad.

Aww, thank you. :D
 

Rattja

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It's really not that complicated, If you can't get a job, then there simply is not much of a need for what you can offer, or a ton of people can do it as well.
You can then either try to pick up something there is a need for, or you can move to a place where your skills are needed, or try to beat the rest by being better than them.
If you for some reason can't or won't do that, then your last option is to cry for help and hope humanity has your back.

It may suck, but the truth is that your degree in History is not much help if all I need is a new house or some goods shipped somewhere.
 

Hero in a half shell

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albino boo said:
I checked your profile and you have a degree in games design. You chose a degree in which supply out strips demand, so its going to be incredibly hard to get job that uses your degree. It also quite specialised and most of the skills don't cross over into other areas. I think you need to be a little realistic and either go for something like graduate entry into the civil service or add some other qualifications to your CV. Perhaps something like a Prince2 project management course. Game design and project management is more employable than just game design.


sky14kemea said:
[HEADING=2]Because the economy is in shambles[/HEADING]

Okay maybe I can't speak for other countries but in the UK there are far more unemployed people than jobs, and a lot of people are being laid off because of budget cuts everywhere, which means even more unemployed people.

Even entry level jobs are being taken up by people with experience because for companies it's expensive to train someone right from the basics so they decide to go with whoever's done it before, even when it's not fair.

I just did a 6 week "Job Based Work Program" to get a job at the Royal Mail, and guess what? I might not even get a job now. Though that's more the fault of someone working at RM than the Job Center. So I'll let it slide on that one.
Odd that seeing for the last 26 months unemployment has been falling and the greatest number of people ever are currently working in the UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30913960
Those figures are very easy to massage.
As the most basic example: While Sky14kemea was on their "6 week Job Based Work Program" they were - according to Government statistics - Employed.

And everyone on Job Seekers Allowance must mandatorially take part in one of these schemes after being unemployed for a certain period of time (6 months if I am not mistaken) - so there is a constant cycle of people going on/off these virtually unpaid work placements that have no long term job prospects (I got an extra £10 a week for my working a 40 hour a week office job in my 6 month placement.

Many of these schemes are in government related organisations which are simply not being allowed to employ any new staff long term (my current workplace for example) So many young people are just being cycled around government offices 6 months on / 6 months off with no stability or ability to save or plan for the future.

It's not a question of these people being useless either. I've had my contract with my current employer renewed twice, and my manager is fighting tooth and nail to get me another 6 months, but the money isn't there for employing any new staff. Currently I'm paid out of project money for the work we're doing because HR are being flat out refused any increase in their wage budget, and yet our small company is being swamped by students and young adults coming through on these part time schemes. I've seen at least a dozen in the year and a half I've worked there, and if I get to work there longer I have no doubt I'll see dozens more.

The economy is in a shambles, and the public sector doubly so.
 

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Colour Scientist said:
It also shows you have work ethic.

Everyone and their mother has a degree these days, it's not that special if you've never worked a day in your life. Scrubbing toilets in McDonalds may be hard and "beneath" some people but it shows dedication to earning money and putting in a bit of elbow grease.
As someone who is currently doing that I can say, it's not even that hard. Maybe it's just where I'm working but I just find "scrubbing toilets" to be easy as hell.

BeerTent said:
Two months later... Apparently they regret to inform me of something, but I'm out riding, and still looking for more local opportunities. As well as my fucks. I appear to of misplaced them.
Nobody even cared that I didn't have a car. Hell no one asked. They just asked if I had "reliable transportation" to witch I say yes. I can walk or bike.
 

Pinkamena

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Why don't you all just get a job at your fathers company like normal people
 

Ieyke

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Hard to juggle school and work.
Working to pay for school while failing classes because of work is idiotic....so I kinda alternate as best I can.
Also, I don't buy things, aside from food and gas, almost at all.
What others can spend in a day I can live on for months. *shrug*
 

EHKOS

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Because I have general anxiety disorder, IBS(what a great couple), and Bipolar. So once I wake up in a cold shivering state every morning until I can get at my medicine, I can re-realize I don't have any marketable skills, no idea how to obtain an A+ certification, and even if I did there are too many people who know computers. I mean, Michigan is backwoods and stupid, but I doubt I could get an interview with nothing but "I know how to use computers better than you." I mean, I might be able to do automotive repair, but I'm not strong enough to turn bolts in my own truck, my hands are big so getting into small places, just like PC cases, would be a problem, and I get very irritated when replacing an air compressor with a bypass turns into a three hour job. That and Mott community college is in Flint and there's no way I'm driving there, the outskirts are bad enough.

This is why I wish I could be some kind of wandering cowboy/mercenary thing. I could be Jean from Outlaw Star, Van from Gun X Sword, a random DF eater in the Blue parts of One Piece.
 

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Full Metal Bolshevik said:
Johnny Impact said:
Full Metal Bolshevik said:
Johnny Impact said:
3) Don't hold out for the perfect job. You won't get it. Instead, get a job -- any job -- and hold it down until you can get a better one. Show up every day no matter how much you hate it. Telling a prospective new boss you've worked at Burger King for the last year, are a shift leader, and have a perfect attendance record is an order of magnitude better than telling him you're unemployed.
Yeah you'd like that wouldn't you.

Fucking capitalists.
If that's a joke, I don't get it. Based on your username, perhaps? If it's not a joke, care to actually make a compelling counterargument instead of hurling insults?
CriminalScum said:
Military's always hiring in America, if you're healthy and in decent shape.
That works for the young'uns, but America at least has a maximum age for voluntary enlistment. Also, most other jobs don't carry the risk of being sent to some infernal shithole on the other side of the planet and coming home in a box.
What the capitalist wants is to make money using the workers labourer, doesn't matter how little he gets, how bad the job is, how miserable he is, as long as he can exploit them for money. So it's actually good they find desesperate workers so they get paid less and are exploited harder.

So yes, same thing I said in the other post.
Ignoring the "capitalists" bit there actually is some truth to it. Generally for someone in my field, with my training, and with my experience I'm supposed to be getting $12.50 an hour if not more. Yet because of the fact that I've been job searching for six months now and because I also have student loans to pay off, I've been consistently saying that I will accept being paid minimum wage if it means being hired all because I'm desperate for a job.
 

ToastiestZombie

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As a 16 year old I can confirm that even getting a shitty part-time retail job where you're practically just a pair of hands has become riddled with bullshit. I've applied to about 10 positions online (I would have applied for more if the jobs weren't 18+ jobs with 16 year old hours), went to all the shops near me and handed in my CV to anyone who said they were looking yet I haven't even got a reply back, let alone an interview. The people I know my age who do have jobs either got them through pure nepotism (which sucks for me since my mum works in the public sector) or because they had experience from when they were 14.

The worst part is, if I don't get a job now it'll make it hard to get a job when I'm in university, which will make it hard for me to get a job when I'm out of uni. It's a vicious cycle.
 

cleric of the order

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I'm gettin' a post secondary education and working in the summer.
I should likely get a job but once my classes hit full swing I have to wonder if i will have time for it.
 

keniakittykat

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Because my degree is worthless now that internet jerks do 'Graphic design freelance' jobs for practically free, and if you want to work for a company you need at least 5 years of professional experience while the only thing I have experience in is waiting tables, and the entire hospitality industry is in hibernation because of the winter and therefore aren't hiring. And even though I send out applications every day, visit job-fairs regularly, and have handed my resume to practically every vendor in the city, no one is waiting for an inexperienced 23 year old with a practical arts degree.

Oh, wait, isn't the main consensus that a 20-something on wellfare is a lazy asshole leech who's too good for simple jobs and that I'm just an entitled shit waiting for someone to throw a job right into my lap? Yeah, have fun while you can, kid. Life's about to start sucking really hard.

No, I'm not bitter...
 

Johnny Impact

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Full Metal Bolshevik said:
What the capitalist wants is to make money using the workers labourer, doesn't matter how little he gets, how bad the job is, how miserable he is, as long as he can exploit them for money. So it's actually good they find desesperate workers so they get paid less and are exploited harder.

So yes, same thing I said in the other post.
The desire for profit is not inherently evil. If it were, we would all have to atone daily.

I go to work for the express purpose of turning my time into money, which I can then turn into anything else I need at a reasonable exchange, with a bit left over for things I do not need but do want. This is known as making a profit and I do it five days a week, sometimes six.

I do not feel especially guilty about this. Neither do I feel guilty that the company I work for and of which I own shares turns a (small) profit on the labor of its crew. Our wages are above average for the industry, we allow overtime, we buy health insurance for our workers, we have a retirement plan that matches employee savings dollar-for-dollar. We are small enough that each person's supervisor has done that person's job at some point and therefore understands how to help them, rather than being some fresh-from-business-school twat who's never had a real job, bombarding them with ideas that sound great in the classroom but aren't terribly useful in real situations. In other words, the bullshit factor is minimal.

Short version, we're a pretty decent place to work. "Desperate workers getting paid less and exploited harder" does not fit the character of our business, and many others. Those places exist *cough*WalMart*cough* and will continue to do so as long as their business model is viable. But there is a whole spectrum of possible work environments. The existence of bad jobs does not disprove the value of an entire economic system.

Do the owners at my job want to make a profit? Of course they do! It's a lot of trouble running a business. A tremendous amount of knowledge is required just to make sure we are operating legally. Many if not most of those laws are there to protect the worker, and we obey them scrupulously and at considerable expense. Working folks are better protected now than at any point in history. (So much so that those very protections have become a haven for sloth, incompetence, and outright corruption among workers. If you think every worker is some shining exemplar of virtue being beaten down by the rich, think again. A small but significant percentage of them are exactly the sort of thieving, deceitful scumbag you seem to think all business owners are. Catch thieving workers red-handed on videotape? Doesn't matter. They still have all the rights. Your business has none. "Punishment" means they basically walk free with whatever they stole, give you the finger on the way out, and go on to steal from their next employer, whom you are not allowed to warn. Tell me again, who's being exploited?) The burden of operating a business doesn't end there. I just completed our corporate tax return, you wouldn't believe how many pages it is. And before you assume, NO, we do not get enormous tax breaks allowing us to pocket 98% of our ill-gotten gains. If I told you how narrow our profit margin is, how little of the throughput is actually left.....you wouldn't believe it. Anyway, there has to be some reason to keep doing all that work, to employ the people we do, to keep the place going. Profit is the reason. Our greed and "exploitation" does profit us, but it also keeps thirty-five people in the black and out of the bread line.

Just out of curiosity, what's your system of choice, and why is it better?
 

Super Cyborg

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Hope things work out for many of you struggling out there. I know it can be tough, and I've seen a number of my friends and family struggling out there, and it can be disheartening when it stretches out for years.

One other thing I would like to respond to is people being a bit too negative, with things like "that's what it will be like for you once you are out" You should take it seriously, and know that once out, it can be very hard for people to get jobs period, much less one in your field of interest. What you shouldn't do is give up and think it can't happen. If you prepare and start sending out applications in mass before graduating (taking advice of not being picky thinking you are "above" a job), then you can have a chance. Hell, I was being told constantly by my friends that I chose the worst field for undergrad (Marine Biology), since in an already bad economy, hiring rates for my degree were about 15-20%, and this was numbers from when the economy was better. Instead, I tried my best to become that small percentage, and I'm doing quite well.

If you become like most people, and you are having a tough time finding anything, don't give up, have people to support you emotionally, and try to network as much as possible. That will help you in the long run.
 

Belaam

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Moving may be a big help if you can fund it. I had to move for my last two or three jobs before getting enough experience to become a valuable enough hire to get some freedom in picking where I wanted to work. Mobility can be a good deal too. My sister is an accountant, and she did a lot of hopping earlier in her career.

But I did have three moves in three years before getting to this point.

Building experience and a resume is key. Even a part time high school job or volunteering at a local charity will pad that out some to show that you have a good work ethic and the ability to get along with coworkers. Not to mention let you pick up a letter of recommendation or two.

Counting part time jobs, I've probably worked in 20 different fields over the years. Everything from delivering newspapers to intel work for the NSA. Job satisfaction is huge for me and I would rather get paid less for a job I love. And in fact, I am currently getting paid less than I have been, but I figure the fact that I enjoy going to work makes up for the lower pay. But it took me a very long time to get to this point where I've got the trifecta of living in a city I like, doing a job I love, and getting paid enough to be paying in to retirement and kid's college funds while taking the odd vacation. As in, my first job started between 8th and 9th grade in 1990 and I started working here in 2013. :D
 

Vault101

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DizzyChuggernaut said:
That said, if I could do a mind-numbingly tedious job without having to interact with people constantly I'd probably go for it. That's the main barrier for me, not that certain jobs are "beneath" me. Working at a bar almost gave me a panic attack near the end of my employment and I feel awful about it.

Do quiet low-skill jobs exist?
I got that exact kind of job but

1. I think it would be borderline impossible to get into without some kind of contact
2. Admin gruntwork type jobs are probably being phased out by technology

so yeah, I get what you mean, I'm very lucky. Though sometimes having a no brain job takes its toll
 

Blood Brain Barrier

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I've had a broken leg for the past month and will do for several months more. Before that I was in study.

But I notice no one is dealing with the issue here - which is your fear. You have a computer or internet and speak English, so most likely you're a westerner. Most people here are from the US, UK, Europe or Australia. To my knowledge no one has recently died of starvation or cold there, and you can always get financial help from your government. No need to worry, you'll be fine. Not getting a job is hardly the worst thing in the world, and at least you'll have time for other things you may want to do.
 

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Blood Brain Barrier said:
I've had a broken leg for the past month and will do for several months more. Before that I was in study.

But I notice no one is dealing with the issue here - which is your fear. You have a computer or internet and speak English, so most likely you're a westerner. Most people here are from the US, UK, Europe or Australia. To my knowledge no one has recently died of starvation or cold there, and you can always get financial help from your government. No need to worry, you'll be fine. Not getting a job is hardly the worst thing in the world, and at least you'll have time for other things you may want to do.
Don't tell them that, more people on benefits who don't need to be on benefits isn't an idea solution.
 

Soda Spider

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Hoplon said:
Well there isn't a 100% employment rate anywhere, and people that aren't working have a lot of time to be on forums.

So probably a disproportionate amount on here. Also some of those stories are from people looking to change jobs.
The only countries even close with a 100% employment rate are defunct soviet bloc countries, and greece before the banking crisis