I'm not sure about the lefty part. Years before GG was a thing, "fake girl geeks" debates were doing the rounds. I specifically remember once being on the wrong side of that. What GG did was become so heated that it drowned out all the other debates. For months, the popular and new forums were invariably GG related, to the point that people just got sick of discussing it. It actually drove people away to the sites that simply matched their stance on GG, just so they could cease having to get into an argument about it.Fieldy409 said:The site used to be super lefty with plenty of feminists(remember Rebecca Mayes or the group of ladies who played DND vids?). Then Gamergate happened and we were one of the few sites that allowed them to actually have their discussions. So we got a whole bunch of Gamergaters and people who were on the opposite side to feminists and rightys love Gamergate. So we actually have a pretty broad spectrum here that leades to.... Vigorous debate!
I think its good to have a wide variety of opinions though, even if some hackles get raised now and then.
That assumption always sort of annoyed me, people will post on facebook details of crimes they committed, anonymity isn't a factor in people's stupidity and well, more violent urges.Mister K said:Some say that it's anonymity that is causing this, the lack of identification of a person. However, there is Facebook, where majority of people have their faces as avatars and are using their actual names, yet there are many posts which are ridiculously impolite. And then there is Reddit, where people use nicknames and don't have any visual connection to their person via avatar, yet so far, after few months of being a member of Reddit, I am yet to read something purposfully hurtful even on biggest subreddits.
Reddit also has the Upvote/Downvote system, which often pushes those kinds of comments so far down few people read that far. Yes, the system gets abused a lot into an "I Agree"/"I Disagree" button, which can create an echo chamber in some subreddits. But deliberately malicious comments (unless it fits nicely into an echo chamber) and obvious troll comments normally get pushed down before too long. But even then, coming into some threads even on very tame subreddits can occasionally lead to viewing nasty exchanges.Mister K said:And then there is Reddit, where people use nicknames and don't have any visual connection to their person via avatar, yet so far, after few months of being a member of Reddit, I am yet to read something purposfully hurtful even on biggest subreddits.
Maybe I'm just weird but in comparison to the passive-aggressive implications that get thrown around these forums constantly I personally find being called actual expletives to genuinely be much better. I'm not claiming directly insulting someone is somehow a good thing but honestly, I think there's a whole lot of threads here on the Escapist that would've been so much better ( and ended so much sooner ) if people had been calling each other shitfaces and much, much worse instead of the endless pages of bickering that are there now.Pluvia said:I'm not really an active Reddit user, but I decided to go to the FP of Reddit to check how purposely hurtful it is. The highest rated thing right now is a guy wearing the Occulus Rift who is moving his hands around dramatically, and a woman filming him with a sort of fed up look on her face.
The highest rated comment is "You can make anything look shitty with a resting ***** face next to it". So huh. I mean I expected to look around a bit to find something, not just complete the seach on the highest rated thing with the highest rated comment. You might be seeing what you want to see on Reddit, OP.
But anyway, the forum took a definite downturn when the mods bent over backwards to accommodate Gamergate. That was a very costly mistake which caused a lot of people to leave and be replaced by those that, well, support Gamergate. A lot of those people didn't last, so effectively the forums just ended up with people who weren't chased off by those events.
But part of it might also be rose-tinted glasses. For as long as I can remember the Escapist has had this reputation, just to different extents.
You can take your kittens and... er... apply them to some orifice of your general person (eat them? put them in armpits?), you absolute entity, you. I'm miffed to shit, me. Grrrr.Xsjadoblayde said:Ya'll people just need some kittens all up in your shit...
Sorry, i would put them in spoilers, but that risks more people not seeing these adorable cuties. How could anyone stay angry beyond these??
I'll stick my oar in you, you other person. Wait! Not in that way! Shit! Ummmmmm... Put that in your pipe and smoke it(?). Yeah, that. Grrrrr.thaluikhain said:Well, there's a lot of serious issues which directly affect people's lives being discussed, which leads to passionate debates, often with people who've no idea what they are talking about, but really want to stick their oar in.
Oh god, this, so much this. It's not even funny the way people sometimes get dismissed on these forums, by people who lack even a basic understanding of the position of person whose experiences are being dismissed. It's especially annoying when people bring up long debunked myths and then reject all evidence against the myths.thaluikhain said:Well, there's a lot of serious issues which directly affect people's lives being discussed, which leads to passionate debates, often with people who've no idea what they are talking about, but really want to stick their oar in.
Except under current rules B wouldn't say that. Exactly because he'd get banned.Pluvia said:I don't really see how you example would change anything. For example, under it there could be:Hagi said:Maybe I'm just weird but in comparison to the passive-aggressive implications that get thrown around these forums constantly I personally find being called actual expletives to genuinely be much better. I'm not claiming directly insulting someone is somehow a good thing but honestly, I think there's a whole lot of threads here on the Escapist that would've been so much better ( and ended so much sooner ) if people had been calling each other shitfaces and much, much worse instead of the endless pages of bickering that are there now.
Maybe I'm just terribly naive of the internet, but I've never actually seen a swearing match that kept on going for very long. Very soon it's obviously clear to literally everyone that there's no substance whatsoever and the thing dies.
I personally feel the rules are in exactly such a spot where they're lenient enough that threads can get extremely unpleasant, unwelcoming and hostile but too strict to cause them to self destruct in their own vitriol.
A: "I'm against Gamergate because I'm not obsessed with who a woman sleeps with"
B: "Oh here comes another white knight ******. Piss off back to your hole."
*Subject B is banned*.
So it would just be a situation where the person who uses insults is banned, which is.. exactly what we have.
The alternative would be insults are allowed, so people would get chased away for the crime of being black, or a female, or gay, or trans. Not exactly a nice atmosphere.
Which is why I mentioned that it would probably be a bit of a crazy blanket adjustment... It probably wouldn't work. Though, I had hoped maybe there'd be some method of working it outIceForce said:How would one outlaw 'passive-aggressiveness' via the rules, though?Elvis Starburst said:I keep seeing the whole skirting the rules thing as a common theme in these posts, and it clearly is a bit of an issue. I've seen it myself. So, that's one thing that could be fixed. I'm sure the mods are aware of it... Is making changes to the rules to fix that issue just too blanket of a thing to be deemed reasonable?
Tone is difficult to interpret over plain text at the best of times, so how do you differentiate between people who are deliberately baiting from the people who are just naturally argumentative, passionate, or simply having a bad day? Unless you give the moderators mind-reading capabilities, I'm not seeing how it could be feasibly done.
You just admitted that it could be a possible to change peoples minds. You cant change them unless your willing to change. Most of the changes I had was trying to meet an accommodation in the middle. Your willing to discuss this issue with me (as in you're not trying to find the best mic drop to finalise a result), so you have that ability to change me as well.DudeistBelieve said:Then you are a rarity, and you should be happy about that.trunkage said:
It's part of the human condition to resist change. A lot of people also tie their ego, even their own personal identities to their view points. Even my ownself, I admit, I have a tendency to have a desire to not change unless I feel in the mood to do so. I just have that rebellious nature.
But I've always found it to be much the waste of my time at least, and exhausting. Fuck it.
Pluvia said:We have very different definitions of "horribly unfriendly" then. For example if "Fuck off you Trans fuck" was allowed by the rules (the worst word there being "fuck") it'd be far more horribly unfriendly.
The only people that would benefit would be people who say things like that.