Man, you are just the kind of gamer I despise. Picking graphics over gameplay....jonathan19 said:
Why I hate valve games. (A rant of sorts)
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Oh noes, the graphics are slightly sub-par!!!!!!!!!
How could we all have not seen this. What are we doing playing Valve games?
We've all been so stupid! Of course, the graphics are the most important part of a game, if they're even slightly dated there's just no point in playing it.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I never thought of this before!!!!
How could we all have not seen this. What are we doing playing Valve games?
We've all been so stupid! Of course, the graphics are the most important part of a game, if they're even slightly dated there's just no point in playing it.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I never thought of this before!!!!
Don't get me wrong, I find that crappy graphics can make some games unplayable for me but the Source Engine isn't the worst of it.
That argument fits Crysis far better than it does Valve Games. The Tux is the graphics engine and the pig is the level and gameplay design. Valve is more along the lines of putting a Tee shirt on Scarlet Johansen. Sometimes what the package is wearing isn't nearly as important as whats underneath.jonathan19 said:
My goodness...rant somewhere else?
If you hate a video game or a developer, take anger out on your pillow please, and if it makes you feel better, stick a picture of Gordon Freeman on there.
OT: Yes I agree the graphics are not top notch and the use of the same engine...not irritating as you see it, but does get repetitive. Of course, that does make their games classical, does it not?
I never focus my overall opinion on graphics. I'm not going to lie, graphics do play a role in a game. If a game doesn't look good, then my opinion usually establishes it as being a bad game. Most of the time it isn't the case. Games can be as cartoony as Castle Crashers or Team Fortress 2, yet have that classic feel that doesn't make a game repetitive.
(Probably most of this didn't make sense, or had no objective whatsoever, but I'm just speaking my mind)
If you hate a video game or a developer, take anger out on your pillow please, and if it makes you feel better, stick a picture of Gordon Freeman on there.
OT: Yes I agree the graphics are not top notch and the use of the same engine...not irritating as you see it, but does get repetitive. Of course, that does make their games classical, does it not?
I never focus my overall opinion on graphics. I'm not going to lie, graphics do play a role in a game. If a game doesn't look good, then my opinion usually establishes it as being a bad game. Most of the time it isn't the case. Games can be as cartoony as Castle Crashers or Team Fortress 2, yet have that classic feel that doesn't make a game repetitive.
(Probably most of this didn't make sense, or had no objective whatsoever, but I'm just speaking my mind)
I can't on earth figure out what your point is...you hate Valve games because you built a computer for 400 dollars to play it and it was able to? I'm sorry but your writing isn't very coherent.
The only substantive complaint I can make out is that they're still using the source engine. Well...it's a functional engine, and the games offer other stuff. Great writing, excellent game play, good level design, good humor, good stories.
I think it's a decent philosophy. Game design requires resources, resources are limited. Developing a new engine is one of the most intensive uses of resources. Reusing and slightly polishing an old engine means you have resources to spare for all the other parts of the game.
Besides, it's good for me since I have a computer, not a state-of-the-art gaming computer. I like the idea of games which I can run comfortably on it instead of high end games that will chug like mad. Especially when every other aspect of the Source game is better than the CryEngine game.
Why do I get this sense you're just attacking Valve because everyone thinks they make great games and you have dreams of mounting a prized trophy on your wall?
The only substantive complaint I can make out is that they're still using the source engine. Well...it's a functional engine, and the games offer other stuff. Great writing, excellent game play, good level design, good humor, good stories.
I think it's a decent philosophy. Game design requires resources, resources are limited. Developing a new engine is one of the most intensive uses of resources. Reusing and slightly polishing an old engine means you have resources to spare for all the other parts of the game.
Besides, it's good for me since I have a computer, not a state-of-the-art gaming computer. I like the idea of games which I can run comfortably on it instead of high end games that will chug like mad. Especially when every other aspect of the Source game is better than the CryEngine game.
Why do I get this sense you're just attacking Valve because everyone thinks they make great games and you have dreams of mounting a prized trophy on your wall?
You can't have it both ways old boy, you can't claim you care about more then graphics and then keep using them as your only argument. With that in mind I shall now assume you really do mean only graphics and merely wished to add an air of sophistication by claiming otherwise, and will as a consequence argue against such a stance.jonathan19 said:
First, there is nothing wrong with caring primarily about graphics. Sure I think it's absurd, but who am I to decide what others should or should not enjoy? What I do take offense at is your attempt at forcing everything into the mold you like. Valve games are about immersion, solid gameplay, and strong storytelling, they are not about looking pretty. Just as you care more about graphics, I and many like myself care more about those factors and Valve does them well.
Your rant is thus an attempt at impugning everyone who doesn't care about graphics, calling them computer illiterate and not understanding the point of PC gaming. I could make the very same argument that you don't understand the point of it all but I don't, because I can respect differing views from my own. I suggest you learn to do likewise for your own betterment.
I do agree that graphics are important but I fear that gameplay and story are the most important parts of a game to me. I too am waiting for the flames to begin, however I love the pyro in TF2 and I am fighting the urge to make flaming pirouettes.
OP: What games/game companies do you like just for reference.
OP: What games/game companies do you like just for reference.
WAAAAAAH They don't have awesome graphics.
Except they have the best facial animation software ever pre-Image Metrics, and an easily accessible engine that can make fantastic games.
Except they have the best facial animation software ever pre-Image Metrics, and an easily accessible engine that can make fantastic games.
Hmm. I don't really get your point. I really don't. Guessing from other people's understanding you apparantly don't like the graphics engine. Which is a pretty weak thing to comment on personally I kinda like low to mid power games cause heavy graphics put a strain on the computer and personally I don't want to disband playing a game because it demands to have the latest CPU and graphics card.
That said I myself have never understood the love for these games. I guess there very good and well made and pretty much jumpstart all expectations but all the praise from people or viewing and sometimes sampling the gameplay never made me interested in playing them or even visit the steam website. I'm not going to make up some sort of weak excuse as to why I don't like them because it won't sound like a good excuse because well, it's an excuse and all; but I never got what it was that makes people like it ya know no big deal.
I'm kinda getting annoyed by those guys by the fact that they haven't gotten half life 2 episode 3 out yet. They make all these full games(ish) and haven't worked on a game that was supposed to be like a monthly release. Hey there's a real complaint about valve. There focus is off.
That said I myself have never understood the love for these games. I guess there very good and well made and pretty much jumpstart all expectations but all the praise from people or viewing and sometimes sampling the gameplay never made me interested in playing them or even visit the steam website. I'm not going to make up some sort of weak excuse as to why I don't like them because it won't sound like a good excuse because well, it's an excuse and all; but I never got what it was that makes people like it ya know no big deal.
I'm kinda getting annoyed by those guys by the fact that they haven't gotten half life 2 episode 3 out yet. They make all these full games(ish) and haven't worked on a game that was supposed to be like a monthly release. Hey there's a real complaint about valve. There focus is off.