If someone (not you, because you said you're done) could explain how my post was stupid and insensitive, I'd appreciate it.
Why I say "Not all cops": Systematic Racism by towards Minority Officers.
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I have never screamed the N-word or threatened to kill people while blacked out. Generally the issue one would more typically have while drunk is falling asleep or throwing up at inopportune times, maybe behaving “unprofessionally.” If you got drunk and threatened someone with racist violence, it’s because you wanted to do racist violence.
To further: It's also possible that most systematic racism is unintentional. Society gave police powers beyond a normal citizens and structures to keep them in line. These structures aren't strong enough to counter racism in some departments. They abuse the laws to their own benefit. And Society hasn't caught up and plugged the holes. Systemic Racism generally isnt whites conspiring together. Its racist abusing the system
Fine. -H-I
Seriously I remember someone literally dying because of protesting for George Floyd who was a student from OSU/ The Ohio State University, which is the college I go to.
Part of the art and fun of drinking is that it loosens inhibition; the shy might dance or sing karaoke; one might muster up the nerve to talk to that hot girl/guy over there, etc. Drinking can help one be who one wants to be, and drinking to excess can make things go too far. If someone gets drunk and "becomes racist," guess what? They were already racist; the booze just unleashed the truth. Blaming booze for your actions is the same as blaming the gun you used to shoot someone that, when sober, you'd only think about beating up.
... Unacceptable.
I went to OSU too! Well, for 2.5 years anyway, then they wouldn't let me take anymore art classes until I took more prereqs, and I refused to pay for classes that I was completely uninterested in. Dropped out, got a job, now I'm a disaffected corporate shill. Just saying: stay in school.
(I did bang a hot goth chick in Hayes Hall and witnessed a burning couch on my would-be roommates' lawn after a Michigan vs. OSU game, though, so I've got SOME college tales...)
Would you know if you did? That is, after all the nature of being blacked out drunk.
If so, do you keep a recording of the events whenever you plan on getting that drunk so you can verify that, or do you have minders to ensure you don't misbehave?
Ah, but did either or both of you have any number of drinks?
In my personal experience, "out of character" activity whilst black out drunk is normally the first thing you hear about when you wake up, i.e.: "Oh my god, you spent 5 minutes screaming at the Taco Bell drive-thru speaker because they didn't have Chicken McNuggets." I'd imagine if someone not known for racist tendencies went on a racial tirade during a black out, any witnesses would be pretty quick to let them know (if the bruises from getting their ass whooped didn't jog the memory...)
Nope, t'was spontaneous, consensual, freaky and sober sex followed by drinks. It did almost turn into a threesome after the drinks (goth girl's idea, not mine; I'd never have the moxie to suggest something like that,) but her roommate out-paced us on the booze side and was sloppy drunk by the time they headed to their dorm room. Even slightly inebriated, I knew better than to even THINK about touching that situation; drunk black man and two drunk white women checks too many boxes for a headline.
Yeah, it does fit rather neatly into their usual tendancies of "pride before protection" image and information management. Sort of like how all those sexual harassment (and worse) reports in various corporations become mysteriously ghosted after reaching the HR department, but with far more concerning levels of authority involved. I'd hoped there would be more holes in their net for these issues to have escaped sooner by now, but having read experiences lately from cops who do try to follow regulations, protocol and report bad behavior from colleagues, they're treated so bad as to make sure they either leave, fired or are killed on the job from not being provided with backup when ordered to go to unsafe areas, besides their character getting demonized and delegitimised too.
Ah, drinkies, finally a subject I can confidently offer assistance in! For others merely adopted the drink, I was born in it, moulded by it!
Adding to Xprimentyl's pretty accurate summary, drunks are very much lacking efficiency in the "repercussions" side of concern, so where they would usually hold back due to visible consequences, the drink just opens the floodgates for their repressed opinions and behaviors. Perverts become outward perverts, racists become outward racists, wannabe/failed comedians won't shut up *awkward collar tug* However, it shouldn't be confused with 100% honesty truth serum, for males in particular I've experienced time and time again have no problem making any old shit up if they believe it will lead to sex or to impress their peers, which sometimes also leads to sex. Yet again, just down to the missing "repercussions" angle, it's all entirely self-serving. So yes, when inebriators say something shitty, they just failed to have the cognition to care for the consequences of voicing their repressed opinions.
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You can remind me, and I will read it. I am not a scholar of American history, and I'm fine with learning more about it. Despite what you may have understood from me, I wouldn't deny any of those happenings. I only denied the way in which they were framed - i.e. it is a conspiracy by white people to oppress other races. The FACT that the US legal-code was designed to target certain groups is not disputed by me. I am opposing the collective guilt that is laid at the feet of an entire group of people. I don't agree with this kind of framework of mind. The same thing goes for theories of Patriarchy. I, as a man, am not responsible for the actions of other men, and should not be vilified for them. I am not my labels. I am my own person.
Read the thread title.
I'm going to assume you're white when I ask why is it presumably non-racist white people project themselves on to "all white people" when a person of color reminds them that "racism of old" isn't that old and certainly hasn't gone away? No one is laying guilt at a collective anyone's feet; no one is blaming "all white people" for racial injustice; what people are doing is asking "all white people" to acknowledge that SOME within their number abuse their significant power and privilege. If you feel "because I'm not that way, there can't be a problem," then thanks for perpetuating the problem.
I'm not white.
It shouldn't be a crime to be a racist. It should be a crime to act on it. The act of discrimination is a crime, the thought of racism is not. In this case, "racism of old" isn't necessarily "old". The change in recent times is the ability to put this into the consensus - we should not discriminate based on race, and if someone does, we will punish those responsible. Racism itself cannot be legislated away. I live in a very racist society and I don't hold people's racism against them. People just don't know. Their racism is an emotional reaction born out of past experiences and the lack of them. This is why I am not comfortable and I do not agree with things like "patriarchy" and "white privilege" and whatnot. I don't need to be bullied into accepting your worldview. You don't need my approval to act on laws that were already legislated - equal pay act in 1963 and civil rights act of 1964. They did not end racism or sexism but they gave legal tools to fight it and stop it. Use them and stop being a victim.
People asking other people to acknowledge a problem that other people have/are causing doesn't require something to be a crime.
Recognizing racism is not the same as recognizing "systemic racism". Systemic racism is a conspiracy theory where everyone in the system is complicit in the act of racism. I don't think there is a conspiracy between different people in the "system" to be racist, which is why I don't agree with this.
It's funny because I'm probably the only radical-individualist in this part of the forums. People actually make fun of the phrase "personal responsibility" over here. It's like peering into a bizzaro-world for me. Hell, I'd probably start quoting Bakunin soon if I get the time to reread him.
Well, except according to almost everyone saying systemic racism exists. That there are problems with a system does not mean everyone in the system is working to ensure the problems are there. I'm part of my countries political and economic system (to an extent), just as you are in yours. I daresay you can see problems in your (or my) systems, doesn't mean you or I, personally, are working to put those problems there.
Likewise, social systems, with problems including racism.
Here's one of those "In a Beautiful, Perfect World" scenarios that colors (puns, I got them) the way someone thinks in a way that might prevent them to see the truth.
And, ironically enough, helps perpetuate Systematic racism.
First and foremost, we have to define what a racist action is. Because it's not always a cross burning. It's not always an "American History X" beat down. Nor is it the liberal use of slurs. A racist action is an action committed with bias towards a race with the usual outcome being not favorable for that race.
From here, I think it would be beneficial to talk about Implicit Bias.
Implicit Bias: What It Is, Examples, & Ways to Reduce It
Implicit bias refers to the beliefs and attitudes that affect our understanding, actions and decisions in an unconscious way.
www.simplypsychology.org
Let's go to Implicit Bias in Medical Care and the detrimental effect it could have on Minority Pregnant Women.
Now, due to Implicit Bias (not Racial hate), Minority women are overwhelmingly harmed by a racist action. Not a hate crime. But a racist action. These medical professionals allowed their biases to color how they treated their patients. They didn't give them the proper amount of care for one reason or the other. Again, the narrow view of just angry, hate filled racist actions allows for canyon sized gaps in the system that can shrug away this harm and death as "Well, he didn't do it out of anger so it's just another in a long list of horrible tragedies that just seems to always happen to these people. Oh Well. Next?"
How about the Implicit Bias of Police Stats? How many conversations have we had over these two forums about this topic? One side says Blacks commit disproportionate amount of crimes and are victims of that fall out. First of all... way to always want to look for the individual aspect of us as humans. Doing us proud. But then we go to the other side of the argument where we mention quotas, inaccurate self reporting, and just flat out falsifying evidence and/or false arrest.
The implicit bias remains when presented with the facts that... we're just not getting the whole story from police departments. Only the parts that make them look good. If I was told that I was getting half the story from a person, a company, or a family member, I would question everything I was ever told by them. The implicit bias for those people who still cling on the disproportionate crime speaking point is that they never do. No matter how many articles that are shown that the police are like any other organization: self serving.
So, without hate in their heart, they hear crime is out of control and they don't question it. They vote for law and order candidates. These law and order candidates need to show effort to justify their appointment and, oh look, the minority we already painted to be perpetual bad guys who no one believes. Easy target.
Again, not saying black people don't commit crimes, but I question any information from an organization that has been shown to be lying in multiple areas.
For the majority of my time on earth, I do not have the luxury to be judged by my own merits the second my skin is visible. I'm either "another one of those hoodrats/thugs/gangstas" or "One of the good ones". So one can imagine how galling it is when I hear from the majority that they should be looked as individuals when I lack the same capability and are usually told the reasons why they won't afford me the same opportunity (i.e. "Look at the FBI stats on disproportionate Black Crime")... and not even realizing they are engaging in Implicit Bias to justify the reason I can't be an individual.
If there is a problem, there must be personal culpability; if there is a problem with the whole system, there must be moral blame to place on everyone involved- or from the other direction, if there isn't particular blame to place, then there cannot be a problem that can justifiably be solved as the solution would presumably require someone somewhere to change their behavior-- behavior which is not necessarily morally blameworthy in itself. The foregoing is what happens to anyone's brain on radical individualism. It's not good.