I just can't like any of it, i'm fine if others like it but I personally can't enjoy it at all. Its mostly the lyrics, the voices the artists use etc. Its not my sort of music at all.
Good sir, I'd like to personally thank you for introducing me to Weerd Science. Can't believe I've not heard of them before.Gxas said:
The above are examples of Rap/Hip-Hop that I enjoy.
There is meaning, such deep meaning, behind the lyrics, and that is why I enjoy it.
When people hear "rap" or "hip-hop", usually, they think "top 40". This, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with people today.
The same goes for all genres though. I heard one girl say, "I don't like any band that is part of a genre with the word 'core' at the end of it." She then went on to listen to My Chemical Romance and Jimmy Eat World. Both of which are considered emo-core bands.
It is a preconceived notion based on other peoples' opinions on the matter which causes people to think, "Oh, there's a lot of people who don't like Fall Out Boy. I've never heard a song of theirs, but they must be terrible musicians. I'll just go listen to All Time Low."
People anger me.
(Did I lose track of my point?)
i agree and disagree with this. while yes its legitimate form of music and an art form in the right hands.Hazy992 said:TLDR; why are people so dismissive of Hip-Hop? It's a legitimate genre of music, and a legitimate art form.
Personally I hate all GHETTO culture... I grew up around it like every kid in california and I can't stand the attitude, the cars, the clothes, the encouragment to act like an idiot all the time. Most of my friends these days do mostly like mainstream hip hop and rap haha... Now old school rap like the song The Message, back in the late 70's to the political Rap in the 80's with NWA is good stuff and i'll support them anyday (even tho they have all become sissies lol Ice -T)...having said that I am and have always been a Metal-Head first and formost, but I love ETHNIC music, especially pagan-folk music,Native American to Iceland to Ireland all have fantastic ethnic folk music.Hazy992 said:Now I LOVE Hip-Hop, it's one of my favourite genres and I listen to it probably every day. So it frankly pisses me off when some people (and I must stress, SOME) start saying that rap isn't real music or that it isn't worth their time, thinking they're better than those that listen to it.
Now I know some rap has its problems, like Lil Wayne and 50 Cent being derogatory to women and the sheer idiocy of the Insane Clown Posse, but how can you lump that nonsense with the golden age rap of Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash and the like or the more alternative stuff of Tyler The Creator or Immortal Technique? Hip-hop is a valid art form just like other genres of music.
I've even heard some people (including here on The Escapist) say that rap, by definition, isn't music at all! Webster defines music as 'vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony.' Hip-Hop clearly hits these criteria.
BTW I'm not a Hip-Hop elitist or anything like that. I listen to loads of genres; Punk, Metal, Soul, Funk, Pop, Dubstep, D'n'B, Grime. If it sounds good I'll listen to it. It just annoys me that people are so harsh and dismissive of something I love so much.
TLDR; why are people so dismissive of Hip-Hop? It's a legitimate genre of music, and a legitimate art form.
I'm going to say something that might seem controversial, and perhaps rather self-demeaning here, but here goes:Hazy992 said:TLDR; why are people so dismissive of Hip-Hop? It's a legitimate genre of music, and a legitimate art form.
What?Owyn_Merrilin said:That's actually a British distinction. In the US, it's all rap; hip hop is just an outdated term for it, and anyone using it past the mid to late 80's winds up looking too white to live.HardkorSB said:I think you mean RAP, not HIP-HOP.
Just personal preference I guess. Personally I like the actual sound of rapping (if its done well, it has to have good rhythm) as well as listening to the lyrics. I couldn't listen to 50 Cent or Lil Wayne even if they were master wordsmiths as I don't like the way they rap.Indeterminacy said:I'm going to say something that might seem controversial, and perhaps rather self-demeaning here, but here goes:Hazy992 said:TLDR; why are people so dismissive of Hip-Hop? It's a legitimate genre of music, and a legitimate art form.
I generally think of the role of lyrics in music as being at most a useful vehicle for the instrument of the human voice, and generally eliminable. When I listen to music, I don't do it because I'm interested in what the person has to say with their actual words - music to me is the non-verbal communication and all of the emotional associations we make to the various highs and lows of any given piece or song.
Hip-hop/rap don't have the same degree of musical complexity, to the point where I would say they're more like poetry than music. And to be honest, I don't like poetry. At all. It seems like a medium that focuses too much on syntactic cleverness using alliteration, rhyme, inflection, meter and so on, and this strikes me as inauthentic. And as far as those lyrical tricks go, I just don't find them interesting anyway. I think this criticism carries equally well over to rap - it is hard to take anything rapped about at face value.
Yes, us Brits take shitty music genres and turn them upside down, that's what we do best.Yokai said:There are a couple of rap and hip-hop songs I like. The genre has potential, but it's so ridden with egotism, misogyny and "thug life" nonsense that in general I stick to genres of music that I find more enjoyable. I like my music to be more than shameless self-plugging. Again, I'm well aware that's only a portion of the genre, but it's significantly more difficult for me to pull songs I like out of the inevitable crap.
Trip-hop is great--I can't get enough of Massive Attack.Jazoni89 said:I admittedly am not a huge fan of Hip-Hop, but I can appreciate the genre, because I'm a fan of it's derivative form Trip-Hop. Which is pretty much Hip-hop beats and scratching, but minus the rapping and distastful lyrics that are associated with the genre. Instead replaced with mostly echoic Female vocals, it's really good stuff, and I recommend the genre for people who are not big on the rapping part of Hip-Hop.
Here's some choice favourites.
What a horrendously ill-informed post! Hip-Hop, it's innovative use of sampling, and the overall goal of weaving a background aimed to support, but overshadow the vocals is extremely difficult. If you had any idea what successful beat making entailed there is no way you would make some snide, elitist remark about musicality - this being spoken from the perspective of a great lover of Classical music as well as Hip-Hop. Also saying that 'it is aimed at people who cannot succeed in life' is such a stupid assertion that I cannot even begin to think where you conceived of something so offensive! Also that last bit about how there's 'no dismissing' your outrageous 'objections' is spoken exactly like someone who has never listened to anything approaching good Hip-Hop in their entire life.Blablahb said:Not quite. You can't comment on the musical skill needed to make metal. Neither can you call the surrounding culture low.Naeo said:It's the same reason people hate on metal (and within the metal community, the hate on the various sub-genres), drone, noise, pop, etc. Because they don't like it and often don't listen to a lot of it so they decide it's all the same and terrible and awful.
Rap and hiphop however, don't take a lot of musical skill to make. You don't need to play any instruments let alone master them, you don't have to understand how multiple melodies and themes combine, you don't need to be able to understand consonant and dissonant tones, etc etc.
And the culture surrounding it is just plain stupid. It is aimed at people who can not succeed in life, and thus exhaust the sparce resources they have on shallow things. And over time it's actually grown to take that for granted.
And quite frankly there's no dismissing those objections either, all men having to act all evil, stupid and tough even though you could probably lay them on their back in five minutes, and all women having to behave like cheap whores.
I second this. If you really want to see true skill check out the work of Eric B and Rakim or Grandmaster Flash. Then you'll see that there is a skill involved. And if there's no skill to it why don't you give it a go seeing as how its so easy?The Diabolical Biz said:What a horrendously ill-informed post! Hip-Hop, it's innovative use of sampling, and the overall goal of weaving a background aimed to support, but overshadow the vocals is extremely difficult. If you had any idea what successful beat making entailed there is no way you would make some snide, elitist remark about musicality - this being spoken from the perspective of a great lover of Classical music as well as Hip-Hop. Also saying that 'it is aimed at people who cannot succeed in life' is such a stupid assertion that I cannot even begin to think where you conceived of something so offensive! Also that last bit about how there's 'no dismissing' your outrageous 'objections' is spoken exactly like someone who has never listened to anything approaching good Hip-Hop in their entire life.Blablahb said:Not quite. You can't comment on the musical skill needed to make metal. Neither can you call the surrounding culture low.Naeo said:It's the same reason people hate on metal (and within the metal community, the hate on the various sub-genres), drone, noise, pop, etc. Because they don't like it and often don't listen to a lot of it so they decide it's all the same and terrible and awful.
Rap and hiphop however, don't take a lot of musical skill to make. You don't need to play any instruments let alone master them, you don't have to understand how multiple melodies and themes combine, you don't need to be able to understand consonant and dissonant tones, etc etc.
And the culture surrounding it is just plain stupid. It is aimed at people who can not succeed in life, and thus exhaust the sparce resources they have on shallow things. And over time it's actually grown to take that for granted.
And quite frankly there's no dismissing those objections either, all men having to act all evil, stupid and tough even though you could probably lay them on their back in five minutes, and all women having to behave like cheap whores.