TheKasp said:
I -> don't give a shit <-
Not to be brief but yes, you have made that clear.
We've been here before, we've seen this room and we've walked this floor.
Especially since VanQ decided to use his literal skills to dig his own bloody grave.
No, he said something informally.
Something that you, in your subjective opinion found disagreeable.
It is not necessarily disagreeable.
It is not objectively or even commonly thought of as a slur. Evidence -> urban dictionary does not refer to it as a slur
By your admission, it does not target solely the people that you suggested. -> I.E it refers to effeminate males currently passing for male. Androgyny =/= trans. Infact I'd argue it's rather rude to assume all trans people could be lumped under trap anyway.
It is closely linked to Bridget a effeminate MALE (sex)that IDENTIFIES as a man(gender http://guilty-gear.wikia.com/wiki/Bridget) and is not trans, and the admiral Akbar line IT's a trap (likely from early /v/'s GulityGear shitpo-threads). It has not been made to solely focus trans.
It's evolution was not from the intent of shaming or insulting transexuals but rather as a inside joke to laugh at anons and warn people about androgynous charterers. (it's assumed to be a part of the greater shitpost culture of/v/, /a/ and /b/)
His later back and forth with you indicated that he saw it as and i quote
VanQ said:
A trap is just a dude that looks like a girl. That's it. Seriously calm the fuck down.
which he further went on to dictate to his determent that this was only his meaning.
clearly showing he intended to use the dictionary definition of this neatly defined slang term.
Alesha fits the definition of a trap by appearing incredibly feminine, many people I know would have thought her sex was female if it weren't for that piece of writing to which this thread is dedicated towards not dissimulator to much like Bridget.
Thus He was well within the realm of accepted usage, had no intention of using it poorly. Anyone adding meanings or ideas to his words beyond the meanings laid out by common tongue and the evolution of the word has done it for him.
TL
R, he did nothing wrong. you added your own meaning and found him wrong. Prove that trap is universally a slur or even intended to be an insult (on at least a large scale) and that he intended to say that in that manner and then maybe we can talk.
TheKasp said:
If he wants to keep on using slurs and showing a basic lack of empathy without being challenged on
Woa, Slow down Maurice. on empathy, shouldn't you be a bit empathic towards his more liberal tongue? We have all said things that were rude or we regret but what gives you the right to chastise him? Lest you be strung up by your own tongue.
Challenged? do you know what you do when you do that? you anger people, you give them cause to rationalize things. You actually drive them deeper into their ways because he's going to leave saying "man that guy, he was a real nerd i did nothing wrong....etc,etc"
and that poor emotion that disgruntlement EVEN if completely unjustified will fester. And you've made him a little more bigoted. But if you follow the proverb of Honey and flies you can understand that person, you can help them. Things like this is cultural no? Is it their fault if they are raised in a time of bigotry? will it be your fault once centuries later you are inevitably found to be a bigot for not supporting some other group that might not even be recognized yet?
Be nice for heaven's sake and maybe you can change the world. You get he community you deserve you know.
it he can go back to his chan bubble.
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I can, from experience tell you, trap is not the chan term for trans person. Trans or the actual slur (addition of y) is the slur.
Also I can say that the chan is a meritocratic, anarchy. I've seen people get beaten down by people in much the same manner as you have done over the same reasons and the same topic. Simply, if you say stupid shit. prepare to get it slapped.
Also I hate doing this because it feels underhanded but didn't you say something about ascribing terminology to a website they described.
TheKasp said:
So you used a term that, in your opinion describes an effeminate male to describe a trangendered person? So, transgendered is just "man pretend to be woman" thing now?
Seriously, you guys make it too easy to rip your bloody terminology apart. Use a fucking minute to think about what you just said there.
no. you really didn't.
He did not lead any of those things, he simply said it is a dude that looks like a lady.
let me give you that in deductive forms.
>if alesha is effeminate(in regards that she can pass for a woman easily) then she is a trap.
>she is effeminate.
>thus she is a trap.
It's iron clad.
You...kinda just well....Jumped to conclusions as to his meaning, I don't think i can reduce this to standard form, I've never been good with this shit but just. no. just no.