I feel there's a disconnect here then. I consider something to be physiologically distracting if you reflexive look at it. I mentioned it because I've had woman get angry about that very thing (turned around, noticed her cleavage momentarily, she got angry about it). Honestly, again, with the reflexive bit, she had influence over my reaction. Was it mind control? No, not at all. However, there's more to it than "I think I'mma look at some tittays now".Mortai Gravesend said:Or depending on distance it was there anyway. Regardless, looking at things is not 'inherently physiologically distracting'.axlryder said:First of all, it's true that the reaction is not pure reflex, but it is influenced by such. If you turn around and there's a woman with a lot of cleavage starting at you, you may just look without realize it. If you noticed the cleavage, then you looked.Mortai Gravesend said:As a straight man I'm going to call you on you bullshit. You have the problem and it isn't inherent to straight men. Your inability to focus is your problem, not some inherent physiological thing. Trying to deflect responsibility like that is pathetic.axlryder said:a.) as a straight man, it is inherently physiologically distracting to me when a woman has a plunging neckline or other equally revealing attire.museofdoom said:Because people should be allowed to dress how they want to dress without being chastised for it. If a woman wants to show off a lot of skin, let her. She's comfortable enough with her body to show it off and that's great. So what if she wants to wear fishnet leggings and stilettos? If it makes her happy, then so be it. It's not affecting you personally, so why do you have the right to be a jerk and try to make someone feel ashamed of the way they choose to dress?Revolutionaryloser said:I posted earlier but I really want to know this. Why isn't it OK to slut shame a woman who chooses to walk around looking like a hooker? I mean literally looking like a hooker. I really wish I knew the answer to that.
You're saying that because it makes you sad to admit that you're responsible for your own problem. See, I can make up motives for people too.What's more, it "makes her happy" because she likes the attention she gets from strangers.
Ah, got me there. You said it was the only possible reason. How can we ever argue with the bullshit that spews from your lips? I mean, you said it was true. How can we refute evidence like that? Wait... what evidence?It's the only possible reason she would dress overly revealingly in public "just because", otherwise she could just do it in private.
More like you're trying a pathetic denial of your own responsibility for your actions and then pretending that no one should dare react.While I normally wouldn't just point this out (why would I?), I would be happy to do so if said woman somehow retaliated to glance or something. You can call it "slut shaming", I just call it honest retaliation.
Which doesn't justify anything. Yes, because people like you exist, they will be treated differently. That does not make it correct.I bring it up only because woman who dress this way ARE going to be treated differently. That's just the reality.
No, it's those who are smart enough not to think "It happens" is a reason to not object to it happening. Murder happens. It's just reality. So let's not complain about murder. Your logic when applied to murder.Those who have deluded themselves into thinking otherwise are often the ones I see crying foul.
And they have every right to call you on it and try to ostracize you socially.Also, I have every right to be a jerk.
Aww, how cute. It's the stupid "It's my right!" defense. When you grow up a bit you might learn that just because people say you shouldn't do something doesn't mean they're trying to take away your rights. They're not restraining you or imprisoning you.Your own subjective views don't somehow undermine those rights.
No one is trying to undermine your rights, take off the tinfoil hat, kiddo.
If you find something like that distracting enough to mention, you do have a focusing problem.Now, your entire rebuttal is based in the assumption that I have a problem.
You're the one who claimed it was inherently physiologically distracting. That would presumably be a problem if it actually is distracting.How is looking at cleavage a problem? I don't see it as such. If my reaction is actually getting in the way of communication or shows a complete lack of self control, I would personally see it as a problem, however a glance really doesn't do either of those things.
Call her on it? What, she made you look? Don't be stupid, she can't control your reaction.If a woman wants to ***** about it, fine, I'll call her on wearing a shirt that intentionally shows of a lot of skin.
What's with that idiotic 'your right' thing? Why are you bringing rights into this? Is anyone calling for someone else to be handcuffed and thrown in jail? No? Then rights aren't relevant.You're correct that they have every right to try and ostracize me, and I have every right to retaliate. Otherwise, we'll go on our merry ways. Also, the OP implied it's someone's "responsibility" to be anything. That's BS, and that's what I was pointing out. Just as your own behavior can be seen as uncouth, it is your right to be that way.
The rights thing was in response to OP saying "you have a responsibility to be nice" or something to that effect. It is pertinent.