World of Warcraft Slips Further
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Huh. You know, I originally agreed with the sentiments of the developers of The Old Republic who thought that they weren't going to be a "WoW Killer", since they were never out to do that sort of thing. But with loss after loss getting posted by WoW I'm starting to think The Old Republic may just slay a wounded beast when it comes out.
I'm not surprised. Pandaria is an awful expansion idea. There are so many better things that can be done to WoW. I like Cataclysm's revamp of the old world, not so much the rehashing of old bosses. I expected them to come up with an expansion featuring the Emerald Dream, but they had to go and destroy the potential for awesome that was there.
Burning Crusade was my favorite expansion. They've never been able to match it, and I doubt they ever will.
Burning Crusade was my favorite expansion. They've never been able to match it, and I doubt they ever will.
Eh. WoW's already done its damage to gaming. Its slow death will be bittersweet news to me.
And this is hardly crippling to the MMO giant anyway.
And this is hardly crippling to the MMO giant anyway.
Because 800,000 people will get the chance to play real games now, instead of running in their little digital hamster wheels.Zachary Amaranth said:
Perfect world is an MMO with one major race called untamed(i think) and they can be tigers/pandas/etc.DVS BSTrD said:
That's a very good point. Lets not forget that several AAA class MMO's just recently flipped to ftp models. LoTRo, DDO, DCU, COH, CO etc. While they may not be able to take a bite out of WoW under a subscription model, in today's economy they are all good enough to do some damage ftp.Zachary Amaranth said:
Another question is how many of those lost Asian subscriptions were from gold farming operations (ie Chinese prisons) shifting their focus to farming other games as a result of weakening dollar. Possibly shifting to Korean or domestic Chinese games. You wouldn't think of real world international finances factoring into it, but that gold selling black market is a billion dollar industry. They are sophisticated enough now to target where their best return on currency is.
Most people I knew who quit did so because they like Wrath and the dungeons in Cataclysm annoyed them. At least, that was part of my reason. Doing LFG as a tank sucked when my healbot friend wasn't on, and the only thing I really enjoyed was raiding, which my guild was rather "meh" at.KaiusCormere said:
OT: Blizzard and WoW are doing fine. They gave WoW to the B Team a while ago, and they are just now losing subs and have an upcoming expansion to bump them back up. In the mean time, they are still millions of subscribers above the next guy.
Blizzard and Blizzard fans love to delude themselves as to why subscriber numbers are falling.
They're both entirely wrong.
WoW isn't on its slow but swiftening descent to oblivion because of "falling interest" and "same-old, same-old".
I quit in 2008 after 4 years (yes, beta tester), and started for 6 months after each expansion before quitting again. I doubt I'll bother with the new expansion.
Not once did I quit because I was 'bored' with the 'same old'. I was upset that they CHANGED what I LIKED. Each time they excised very specifically each aspect of the game that *I* enjoyed. Apparently, when I post on forums, I'm the only one that liked those things. Yet each of my friends and former wow playing associates also quit for my reasons.
And then Blizzard puts out press releases stating the 'reasons' for the subscriber drops, all of which are totall bullshit.
Why I'm not there is back in those increasingly frustrated forum posts and letters to the developers that my friends and I made about the iterative destruction of the fun aspects of the game. Those forum posts that they can't go back and check since they deleted the content of the entire forum archive when Battlenet 2.0 started production, along with the last portions of the original classic 'vanilla' wow game that got me playing in the first place.
They keep polishing the game till it shines, whilst gutting the actual fun in it. I'm well out of it, but I can say with complete confidence they would have gotten another 10 or 12 6-month subscriptions out of me and to this very day I would be playing if they didn't keep ripping apart the game mechanics I liked, that I helped to get included during the beta.
"game is old, people are bored" is a pathetic excuse. Brood War hasn't had an expansion in 12 years and yet only now, with its successor getting massive official support to forcibly supplant the original is it starting to fade. With new content every 8 months, WoW should be a sure fire hit for another decade. But it's dying because they fucking poisoned it and are blaming old age.
They're both entirely wrong.
WoW isn't on its slow but swiftening descent to oblivion because of "falling interest" and "same-old, same-old".
I quit in 2008 after 4 years (yes, beta tester), and started for 6 months after each expansion before quitting again. I doubt I'll bother with the new expansion.
Not once did I quit because I was 'bored' with the 'same old'. I was upset that they CHANGED what I LIKED. Each time they excised very specifically each aspect of the game that *I* enjoyed. Apparently, when I post on forums, I'm the only one that liked those things. Yet each of my friends and former wow playing associates also quit for my reasons.
And then Blizzard puts out press releases stating the 'reasons' for the subscriber drops, all of which are totall bullshit.
Why I'm not there is back in those increasingly frustrated forum posts and letters to the developers that my friends and I made about the iterative destruction of the fun aspects of the game. Those forum posts that they can't go back and check since they deleted the content of the entire forum archive when Battlenet 2.0 started production, along with the last portions of the original classic 'vanilla' wow game that got me playing in the first place.
They keep polishing the game till it shines, whilst gutting the actual fun in it. I'm well out of it, but I can say with complete confidence they would have gotten another 10 or 12 6-month subscriptions out of me and to this very day I would be playing if they didn't keep ripping apart the game mechanics I liked, that I helped to get included during the beta.
"game is old, people are bored" is a pathetic excuse. Brood War hasn't had an expansion in 12 years and yet only now, with its successor getting massive official support to forcibly supplant the original is it starting to fade. With new content every 8 months, WoW should be a sure fire hit for another decade. But it's dying because they fucking poisoned it and are blaming old age.
I hear they made some changes that affect gold farming. Which means that most of the lost subscribers are Chinese gold farming WoW sweatshop workers.
That's awful presumptuous, as there's no proof they will play other games simply because they've stopped subscribing to WoW.Atmos Duality said:
So the reason it's a good thing is...What? An presumptuous falsehood?
If the reason it's a good thing is wrong, does that make the "fact" that it's a good thing wrong?
Pardon my flub, but I actually anticipated this.Zachary Amaranth said:
Hence I said (or meant to say) "chance", representing potential and not certainty.
I'm correcting my typo, but my point is: Without WoW monopolizing their time, perhaps they could play other, better games.
Or perhaps they're only giving it up because they're facing economic issues.Atmos Duality said:
WHAT A GOOD THING!
You argue conjecture for cause (why they stopped playing), I argue conjecture for effect (what they could do after they stopped playing).Zachary Amaranth said:
It could be that it just isn't as popular anymore either.
It does explain why blizzard has cut so much planned content ot of this expansion. They realized early on that cataclysm was going to cost them, so they diverted resources to getting to the next expansion as fast as possible. Which ironically probably made they're losses even worse, as i know a lot of players who quit because they felt blizzard was phoning it in. They've never had so much done when they announced an expansion at blizzcon before. I quit playing wow in Cata after 6 years of playing, but i will be returning for Mists of Pandaria. How could i not? Its got pokemon! you have any idea how long i've wanted a pokemon mmo...?
You state the obvious well, but the point wasn't so much an issue of why, but that you're still pissing blind and calling it a good thing.Atmos Duality said: