Oh so much this!300lb. Samoan said:XBox users aren't so much looking for things to complain about as much as tripping over them every 5 steps. XBox 360 is deceptively expensive, and it's worth educating people about.Infernal_Me said:Overreact much? Come on NO one is forcing any of you to buy Microsoft( <<<--- Look how easy it is to spell with a regular S instead of $) branded usb drives. Really just looking for something to complain about are we? Our side is better your side is going down! /end sarcasm
I do not understand your ire. The statement refers to any videogame company and is not "dragging Sony in." If you want to get into it though, the Sony PS2 memory card is still $25 at retail. There was no USB alternative for the PS2, the GameCube, the PS1, etc.SaintWaldo said:Wait, why drag Sony into this? The PS3 allows the use of standard, off the shelf SATA drives. In fact, they don't even MAKE drives intended to be used internally in a PS3. It's in no way similar to how Microsoft gouges it's customers with proprietary, overpriced drives.Tom Goldman said:...Not that companies like Microsoft and Sony are expected to provide a good value for accessories...
If you only consider things like packaged external drives that aren't specifically for the console market, perhaps. Did you intend that to be the domain of this statement?Tom Goldman said:...The fact remains that it would be a miracle if Microsoft, Sony, or any first-party put out a storage product that was reasonably priced...
So, you drag Sony in at the top on a MS only story, and then you don't extend the same "I'm not bashing" here? Wow.Tom Goldman said:...I'm not bashing Microsoft at all...
Um, like the USB that was in the PS2? And the ability to use USB drives that was standard on PS3 from day one? With standard formatting?Tom Goldman said:...but at least we have other choices due to the USB interface that we didn't in previous generations...
Again, you're the one that brought Sony into this.
The BenQ dvd drives they chose, which caused alot of damaged discs, may not have been designed or built by Microsoft but they still chose a cheaper unit to put in their machines.Virgil said:The Xbox 360 problems were design flaws, not problems with component quality. They may have been failing, but it was high-quality components failing, not cheap ones. Of all of MS's faults, cut-rate hardware quality has never been one of them.
SaintWaldo said:Wait, why drag Sony into this? The PS3 allows the use of standard, off the shelf SATA drives. In fact, they don't even MAKE drives intended to be used internally in a PS3. It's in no way similar to how Microsoft gouges it's customers with proprietary, overpriced drives.Tom Goldman said:...Not that companies like Microsoft and Sony are expected to provide a good value for accessories...
If you only consider things like packaged external drives that aren't specifically for the console market, perhaps. Did you intend that to be the domain of this statement?Tom Goldman said:...The fact remains that it would be a miracle if Microsoft, Sony, or any first-party put out a storage product that was reasonably priced...
So, you drag Sony in at the top on a MS only story, and then you don't extend the same "I'm not bashing" here? Wow.Tom Goldman said:...I'm not bashing Microsoft at all...
Um, like the USB that was in the PS2? And the ability to use USB drives that was standard on PS3 from day one? With standard formatting?Tom Goldman said:...but at least we have other choices due to the USB interface that we didn't in previous generations...
Again, you're the one that brought Sony into this.
Someone really likes Sony >_>.SaintWaldo said:At least Sony used a standard that allowed you to use a cheaper, non-proprietary replacement, and they don't alter it in a way that makes it unusable for anything else. Please understand the huge difference between the two example behaviors.Regiment said:Ah, all companies do this. I bought a second PS3 controller, and found it didn't come with a cable. I could have spent $10 on an Official Sony Brand Charge Cable Accessory, or perhaps about $2 on a USB-to-Smaller-USB cable in Radio Shack. As it turned out, I had such a cable lying around.
Great but then why on earth would anyone buy Microsoft's then? Unless you genuinely didn't know that a regular USB memory stick would work then I can't imagine a person buying oneVirgil said:Yep - if you've got one, that's what you'll want to use. But any storage you set up to use on the Xbox can't be accessed by a PC without formatting it, so only use a flash drive you aren't planning on using for anything else.The Rockerfly said:Can we use our own memory USB sticks though?
If they had any sense and could hold back on their greed at all, they'd make their prices the same as those of other 8 and 16gb USB drives. Then people would buy the 360 branded ones for the sake of already being formatted. Seriously, I wonder if their marketing guys have any sense.Tom Goldman said:No, sorry if I gave you that idea. It means that you shouldn't buy Microsoft's drives and just use your ownnewguy77 said:Did I read the initial report wrong or what? I got the impression from the initial report that any flash drive could be reformatted to the type it needs to be for the 360. Does this article mean that only the Microsoft flash drives will work with the 360?
Oh they do. They have the good sense to bank on their brand name. People will buy these just because it has the XBox logo on it because they want to be sure that it will be compatible with the system. The floor people at Best Buy will probably have a hey-day with these, just like they used to with the much more horribly over-priced memory cards (such as in Infernal_Me's example higher up the page). Questionable morals perhaps, but certainly good sense.Mr. Mike said:If they had any sense and could hold back on their greed at all, they'd make their prices the same as those of other 8 and 16gb USB drives. Then people would buy the 360 branded ones for the sake of already being formatted. Seriously, I wonder if their marketing guys have any sense.Tom Goldman said:No, sorry if I gave you that idea. It means that you shouldn't buy Microsoft's drives and just use your ownnewguy77 said:Did I read the initial report wrong or what? I got the impression from the initial report that any flash drive could be reformatted to the type it needs to be for the 360. Does this article mean that only the Microsoft flash drives will work with the 360?
The Xbox doesn't run Windows, and wireless networking devices don't have a single input standard like flash drives or keyboards. You can't really expect MS to create and load custom drivers for a bunch of different devices onto their game console.300lb. Samoan said:My biggest beef is over the Wireless Network adaptors, which need to be special made for the XBox because it lacks support for DLLs and therefore isn't compatible with the same PC product.
Other than not knowing any better, the main reason is that it will be easier and guaranteed to work. While MS will let you use any drives, the performance between USB flash drives is not equal [http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/information/usb-novelty-flash-drive-roundup-36-tested-and-compared/], and I fully expect that after the feature is released there will be reports online of some drives not working well (particularly the discount ones). It's unlikely that the branded drives will have that kind of problem though, as they'll be made to certain specifications. For some people, that peace of mind is worth the extra money.The Rockerfly said:Great but then why on earth would anyone buy Microsoft's then? Unless you genuinely didn't know that a regular USB memory stick would work then I can't imagine a person buying one
Yeah - it's a system update that's supposed to roll out next month.Radelaide said:So I assume that this is going to require an update or something?
You can hook up a keyboard. It works for sending messages over Xbox Live, editing your profile, that sort of thing. You can't use them for gaming though. As far as I know, the Xbox SDK doesn't even provide the input handlers for mouse/keyboard, so a developer couldn't build in support even if they wanted to. I know the XNA libraries don't support them for the Xbox.DudeMan1031 said:Hmm, I wonder if the USB support will let me hook up a mouse and keyboard... probably not, but man, that would be awesome.
360 drives aren't even propietary in most senses of the word. They're standard off the shelf 2.5" SATA drives, MS just use some proprietary code to ID lock the console and the drive.SaintWaldo said:Wait, why drag Sony into this? The PS3 allows the use of standard, off the shelf SATA drives. In fact, they don't even MAKE drives intended to be used internally in a PS3. It's in no way similar to how Microsoft gouges it's customers with proprietary, overpriced drives.