Xbox 360's Death Rate is 54.2%

ace_of_something

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Never heard of ps3 Croaking. Though I had a 360 at launch it died. Got a new one it died. Got my money back bought a ps3.

My roomates Elite Red Ringed. Though that's the only case of it I've heard.

The fanboyism on both sides is pretty high here.
 

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Again.. with the newly released news of the PS3 slim and extreme price cut, I have to wonder how strangely convenient this "half of xbox 360s fail" story is.

It just seems to have come up at such a perfect time...
 

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I'm on my third. Microsoft customer service has been excellent, but I am now out of its extended 3 year warranty period.

*crosses fingers*
 

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CaptainCrunch said:
Sensational claims require sensational proof, and the fact that there is no known figure for how often a 360 fails due user care issues is no surprise.
that's wrong, everyone THINKS sensational claims require sensational proof but anyone will tell you that's definitely the case and never is.

the sad part is too many people think it needs all this extravagance and companies like m$ love to say they need that but really for someone to be proven right, you don't need something sensational to prove a sensational claim. that's one of the biggest myths out there and most good science types will tell you that's not the case and is often very wrong

Is their product less hearty than it's competitors? Absolutely. Is the failure due to user care? Nobody really knows yet.
i am more than willing to accept at least 10% is due to user issues, much of the failures of the wii's and ps3's i'd say are user related problems, doing pc repairs and tech support i know that people are stupid and drop many iq points when sitting in front of the computer. i'd almost concede that they could be covered under the american's with disabilities act while using a computer

however the rate of failure they're experiencing currently is just too high to chalk up to mostly user related problems. my one friend who does take great care of his 360 had it red ring on him once so far and he doesn't have it dusty or in a spot where it can over heat and such.

i know there are people who take great care of it and it still dies but i do know there are people who take lousy care of it and they die. it is true we won't know the exact figures of how many were user related but saying that the majority of failures is due to user related issues is rather far fetched, considering they did redesign the heat sink and the consoles cooling.

mind you we do also have an unofficial and horribly bad scientifically speaking poll right now

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.132039

the numbers are holding up pretty good so far, still not sure what is user related tho
 
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Revelo said:
Iori35 said:
Fanusc101 said:
Good thing I already got RROD, that means I'm safe! Right? RIght?!
That's like after flipping a coin and getting heads, then saying that you're going to get tails next....

I'm sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear...

I am being a jerk and for that I am sorry.
Makes sense, had to replace mine last year but due to disc read problems, so far I have avoided the RRoD.
That's the exact same thing as what happened to my 360. I call it "Prima Donna Syndrome", or PDS, when the system suddenly starts refusing to do its job.

On-topic, I think this poll is a bit skewed. I mean, 30 million owners, and they are judging it based on about .006% of the owners? That is an extremely low sample pool. That would be like using the town of Desoto, Texas, to judge population trends for the entire U.S. Not to mention that people would probably more likely write in that their 360's failed, rather than that they didn't.
 

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paroxysm11 said:
I've had my 360 since the day it was released (the Premium) and it has never bricked on me. Never seen a RRoD, never had it shut down without permission, and never had any problems. Thing is, I take care of mine. I clean it once a month, vacuum out dust, and keep it well-ventilated. The key to using a 360 without hardware problems is, to put it simply, TAKE CARE OF IT!
Oh that's right, blame the users instead of blaming the terrible hardware design. What a load of crap. Microsoft just screwed up. Stop making excuses and defending them. It is not nor will it ever be the consumers fault that a 360 dies unless they have it buried under a pile of clothes, stuffed into a small enclosed space, or put into a very dirty area. Are you trying to 54.2% of 360's all died because of these various reasons? Because if so that is just ridiculous to say the least. It is just not probable.

I leave my PS3 on for weeks at a time crunching protein chains for Folding At Home. When it is not doing that it is playing games. It never goes off. It is over 2 years old now. Why has it not burned up? Because Sony took the time to make a good piece of hardware.

What I really think is the problem is that the 360's case is too small. The concave curve of the case causes insufficient air flow. The processor and GPU create to much heat. The thing needs a more open case with more powerful fans. If Microsoft made it with a more open case then I really doubt that the RRoD problem would have occurred on the level that it did.

I am not a Sony fanboy nor do I hate the 360. Besides it problems it is a great machine and X-Box Live is a great service. It is just too bad that Microsoft screwed up like this.
I agree with you that the 360 has serious issues. It still might crash on you no matter what you do. However, I am of the school of thought that if you take care of something, it breaks much less frequently. I am not a Microsoft fanboy (just for the record). In fact, I think Microsoft seriously dropped the ball on several things. I also agree that the concave casing of the 360 was a design flaw, not allowing proper ventilation. (It looks really nice though :p) I too wish that Microsoft had made it better, however, for the moment, that doesn't affect me.
 

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Wow, I'm surprised at the failure rate of the 360. Yes, I've heard plenty of horror stories and have heard about people who have had to trade in their 360s so many times that it's absurd. But personally I've never had the red ring of death or any other problem, aside from an occasional "Disk is Unreadable" error that clears itself up in a couple of days
 

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Well you've got to think about how many more 360's are owned versus PS3's. I mean, more box's will mean a higher failure rate. I've been RRoD'ed before, but I'll be darned if I didn't go buy another!
360's are good consoles.
I'll buy a PS3 slim when it comes out too, just cause I'm a console ho.
 

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Kyprioth said:
Actually, the death rate for video consoles is the same as that of human beings. 100%. It just so happens the Xboxes die a bit faster.
Just like people who are so idiotic they should be removed from the gene pool.
 

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I've done some research into the 360 failure issues.

SquareTrade performed an examination with 1040 Xbox 360s. The findings were that 16.4% failed within six to ten months, and they stated that the results were likely much lower than reality, given the short test period.

CaptainCrunch said:
Because the study doesn't make a specific claim to exclude those people. Out of a small sample size (>.005% of console owners), you can derive absolutely nothing about the average user's habits. How many do you think read the manual, including the "Proper Care Instructions?" It's as much a smoking gun as a faulty heatsink / fan - in fact, it's the hand holding the smoking gun in a lot of cases.
So because those who mistreat their consoles are not excluded, the 54.2% must be made of mistreaters exclusively?

Even if you compromise to say that half of the failure rate claimed in this poll are user-related, that's still 27.1% failure due to hardware, which is 5 to 9 times higher than the industry standard (3-5%).

Even if you believe the real failure rate to be more like the study performed by SquareTrade, and halve that due to user-related error, that's still 8.2% due to hardware, which is still double industry standard. And that's not even including the fact that SquareTrade claimed the real figure would be much higher.

"Less hearty" really isn't strong enough wording.

CaptainCrunch said:
... had the ventilation blocked (especially when the warranty is iffy about that specific circumstance)?
By blocking the ventilation I assume you mean aligning the console horizontally, as other users have claimed in this thread?

Remember the console has rubber feet on its side and is shown in the Welcome video on its side.

By placing it horizontally, I am not breaking any rule, written in any official documentation. So whether or not I am "blocking ventilation" I am perfectly within my rights to.

If placing it on its side was as bad as some people claim, then surely Micro$oft would've dicovered it while they were testing them to destruction, and redesigned appropriately.

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thebobmaster said:
... That would be like using the town of Desoto, Texas, to judge population trends for the entire U.S. ...
No, actually, it's nothing like that. Game Informer will have readers from various age groups, backgrounds, cultures and countries. It's more like taking roughly 291 randomly chosen people from every state, and judging trends for the entire U.S. with them, which sounds pretty fair to me. And professional survey companies agree, as taking a survey of 15000 thousand people is rare, even when testing as large a group as the entire population of America.

I got 291 by calculating one-fiftieth (removing the decimal of the final result, as you can't have a fraction of a human) of an equally proportioned survey, which for America would be roughly 15000, as America is roughly three times larger than the whole current-gen console owning population of the world.

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... Not to mention that people would probably more likely write in that their 360's failed, rather than that they didn't.
And by that logic, they'd also be more likely to write in if their PS3 or Wii had failed also. So, how comes the PS3 and Wii are so much lower?

If we assume that roughly an equal amount of each console's owners read Game Informer(as that is the only resonable assumption as it is considered a "neutral" magazine, rather than being aligned to one brand), then if people wrote in just because their console had failed, surely the one owned by the most people (which would also be the largest share of the readers) would have the largest slice of this poll?

Market share to the second decimal point, according to Wikipedia's total sales figures, against their claimed failure rate, according to this poll, in respective order;

Wii..............48.27%.........6.8%
Xbox 360...28.93%......54.2%
PS3............22.80%......10.6%

Well that is clearly not the case, as the Wii, with approaching double the 360's sales, is the lowest death rate on the list. And the PS3, with less that 7% less market share than the 360, is behind it on this poll by over 40%!

I think it's fair to say that "people just writing in because their console failed" inflated the number some, but I also think it would be unfair to assume any more than 5% being due to this, which would still put the Xbox 360 brick rate at 49.2%.

2nd EDIT: Added market share percentages.
 

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If this wasn't bad enough though, the IBM PowerPC Processor has always had an issue that would cause many consoles all over the world to simply quit working because of IBM being absolutely useless at fabricating working processors.
oh how your logic fails with Big Blue. this is simple because the Wii, the PS3, the 360, the Gamecube ALL have IBM manufactured processors in them

also discounting the fact that they also made the MAC chips for a long time, also discounting the fact that IBM made chips also populate MANY spots on the list of the fastest computers in the world[/quote]

How exactly does that point out that my logic fails?
Apple switched from IBM PowerPC to Intel Core 2 because of the sheer number of failure rate on the Processors; this is not just a well documented fact, but in-fact there so many inside jokes with older Mac users about how saving becomes a reflex reaction when using demanding applications (like say Photoshop or Maya, both of which I used to use on a Mac for work until the powers that be saw wisdom in finally getting Windows machines)

I wish to hell it wasn't as bad as it was but the reality was that MacOS wasn't a bad OS it was just on bad hardware; and since the move to Intel, the days of seeing the message "There has been an error, would you like to fix it?" before the entire machine took a dump and froze up are effectively gone.

Saying "Oh well Big Blue, Cray and Conductor are the most powerful systems using IBM hardware" isn't exactly proving this fact wrong, I never once said that IBM couldn't design bloody awesome processors... hell why do you think everyone is using them this console generation. The issue isn't with the technical capabilities but the actual fabrication.

Microsoft have with their Falcon Generation moved to having AMD fabricate the processors, the design hasn't changed; simply who physically builds it, and the RRoD issue has almost entirely disappeared. While it might sound as if it is still pro-dominant, there are two problems that will stop it actually going away.

1) Most people who get RRoD, send off their Xbox 360 to be "repaired" or "refurbished" for free. As such they're getting back the same crappy hardware that it isn't a case of "Will it fail again?" but "When will it fail again?"... if everyone who had RRoD were sent the new consoles you'd see the failure rate drop dramatically, but as Microsoft didn't do that before the economy when crappy; the chances of them doing it now simply for reputation means is extremely doubtful. Especially given very few 360 users would actually never get a new one if theirs broke down.
Just think about how many people who get RRoD or E74 send you a message saying "I'll be offline for a while until I get a new Xbox"

2) Same reason the GameCube is still seen as a childrens console, while you can solve the issue of a reputation people most of the time reputation stays by word-of-mouth; so when you have friends who've never had an Xbox 360, or one that has theirs constantly going back for repair you will think "huh maybe they do suck cause it'll be expensive to keep replacing it"

Fact is the hardware inside this generation of consoles for the most part is poor quality, and is being pushed harder than ever before. Consoles are finally getting in to PC performance realms, and the manufacturers honestly don't understand that Gaming Rigs are always high quality hardware with damn good cooling solutions to achieve what they do. They are learning this but not quickly enough imo

I mean the failure rate for all of the consoles this generation are fair higher than previous generations... well maybe with the exception of the PS2, they had serious issues with the memory units, then DVD-Drives and finally chipsets. Here's a nice little irony for you, I truely dispised the PS2, but unfortunately due to all the exclusive titles last generation it was the only *must-have* platform. Probably why my dislike for it intensified after my first one kept wiping my save games, sending it away to Sony (at my own cost + the cost of repair .. apparently the warrenty covered NOTHING) it came back and a month later the AV connection just stopped working, sent away for repair again and when the DVD Drive died a second time I bought a new one. It constantly froze before only allowing me to play PS1 games, by this point the PS2 Slim had been released; so we got one of them. The first one burnt itself out; we still have the second one but it switched itself off after about 3hours of use from overheating. That isn't even including the 5 PS2 controllers we went through as they'd simply stop working properly. Some really peculiar errors too, like buttons would all swap around; you'd only be able to go left on the analog sticks, one kinda had a life of it's own and played games for you regardless of what you pressed.

Despite many good games on the platform, the sheer volume of problems that Sony everytime would gauge me to fix and following generations of hardware really didn't issue properly left me with a very bad impression of Sony. It didn't help that two months after I had a PS3 because of all the "exclusives" that really have only just been released I got it for, decided to brick after an update. In-fact out of my friends, only two who use their Xbox 360s constantly (like seriously the only time I see them offline is when they've broken another console) have had issues with their 360s. Given my friends list is full (and I know many more who don't really go online so don't have them on my friends list, but for arguments sake we'll keep it to the 100 friends cap)... so 2/100 on my list have really had issues with their Xbox 360.

I think only 1 person out of the 15 I know hasn't had an issue with their PS3. A big difference between the two consoles though is often when the PS3 dies it can come back to life randomly, and more often than not it's the software updates that cause the issues. Still in my experience the failure rate is far higher.

As for the Wii I don't really know anyone with them, think I know a handful of people who have it to mess around on when they're bored of their 360; but generally speaking no one I know actually plays their Wii much past their girlfriends/wives using it for WiiFit.
 

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Leyvin said:
... in my experience the failure rate [of PS3s] is far higher [than Xbox 360s].

As for the Wii I don't really know anyone with them ...
These two sentences combined are proof why your personal experiences have no value as evidence for the failure rates, and here's why;

You have a full friends list and know at least 115 console owners semi-personally; and yet, you "don't really know anyone" with a Wii, the most popular current-gen console in the world, with total sales of almost the 360 and PS3 combined.

You are in a minority, obviously.
 

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I'm on my....what was it?...Like my fifth 360. The Almighty made heavenly warranties for the 360....Wait if roughly half 360 owners actually have their consoles crash...and my crash rate is 100 percent.....well that's not fair!
 

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I hear people complain about their Xbox breaking down all the time but I have never heard anyone say that their PS3 broke.
 

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I've never met anyone whose Wii has had even minor damage to it, yet everyone that I've met who owns an XBox360 has had one break at some time. And my friends don't even use the XBox360 much; we're RPGers.
 

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they should make them like they used too

I got my PS2 near the release of it and let it run for about 5 years before i started turning it of when i was done playing it still works perfectly fine only difference between then and now is some dust on the outside