Xbox One Fans Petition For The Return Of DRM

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

I find it funny that they're saying that the angry folk were the uninformed ones.

 

[Brotha Desmond]

The family share thing obviously wasn't going to be what everyone thinks that it was going to be. If M$ is truly trying to cut back on used games, then being able to let people play your library would probably do more harm than used games ever did. As for having lower prices, that's not going to happen. The digital copy of a game can be more expensive than a new physical copy, but not once outside of the occasional recent sales has a digital copy been cheaper on Xbox. So if you were hoping for lower prices or sooner price cuts, keep dreaming. If the company thinks they can get more money off of you then they will do it. To the companies you aren't a customer, you are a walking wallet.

 

[Ghonzor]

The fact that there are XBone fans to begin with, before or after the reversal of the DRM policy, amazes me.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Are we sure these aren't Sony fans just trying to see the xbox one fail even harder than we all think it already will?

 

[an annoyed writer]

I have one thing to say to these people. Just one thing:

Spoiler

Just... How? how does this exist? How can these people have such naivete? The E3 Xbone was every weakness of Steam PLUS more weaknesses of its own, and little, if any, of the benefits! This is just so insulting to human intelligence that the conspiracy theory of paid-off PR employees around it actually makes some sort of sense!

 

[Baresark]

They aren't petitioning for the return of the DRM... of all the misinformed.... Notice the line where it says:

We want this back. It can't be all or nothing, there must be a compromise

They are clearly saying they want the features that were promised... not the actual DRM (that isn't a feature). I do so love how they are blaming Sony for "taking advantage of unsure consumers" (paraphrasing). The above quote is clearly pointing out that MS needs to compromise if they want to push the so called future of entertainment.

 

[viranimus]

I am surprised by this. However at best it is misguided.

I am actually more surprised more people did not notice this, but when MS reneged they then said NO to the "sharing" deal and yet people did not see what happened. People railed against MS, MS caved but took this away in essence as punishment to the consumers for their wavering support.

There is absolutely NO reason why digital sharing and respecting laws of ownership and refraining from the needy constant reassurance system cannot exist together in unison. In fact they would have practically had to do NOTHING to accomplish it.

So the blame STILL resides with microsoft because it was their choice to be complete nozzles and use this whole thing as negative reinforcement toward their potential customers.

 

[FalloutJack]

You're welcome?

Sorry, always wondered...who are you thanking?

OT: Oh good christ, this is never going to end. At least it's not literally people asking for the ridiculously-horrible original Xbone idea.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

I hope the petitioners are mostly troll/shills.

What are "Otter Pops"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otter_Pops

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

To paraphrase Jack Nicholson: "You fucking people"

Steam for consoles wasn't necessarily going to happen, we had no guarantee that it would, also, it's easy to say that "oh, DRM isn't so bad; I'm always connected anyway!".

And then your internet goes down.

And then you are happy that you bought a game from gog that isn't part of your steam library.

My internet goes down from time to time and I still play my games through Steam. Hell I can put my laptop in Airplane mode and play Bioshock through steam.

I'm really confused as to why people keep talking about Steam like it requires a constant connection.

Edit: Forgot my OT part

Since this is online petition is it really supposed to be serious? I mean I remember an online petition a few years ago for Blizzard (no not a typo, it said blizzard) to destroy all copies of Skyrim for corrupting children and I recall that one being mostly signed by "Alduin" and the "Society against cruelty to dragons"

Steam doesn't really require such a connection, but, you have to be online to enable offline mode.

 

[nevarran]

I suppose it would be too hard for them to do both since they are still releasing digital copies. Also a on time licencing confirmation on purchase is enough. You can't play any game on your xbone with out this authorization or a physical copy. This isn't a computer there are a number of hardware and software architecture blocks that will make piracy too much for all but your most educated techno geek, who let's face it will find way anyways cause thy always do. So you could keep the abandoned policies to strictly digital games without a once a day check in (steam dos it all the time it called "offline mode" mine is on it right now) while allowing the traditional policies to apply to hard copies. It's really not even that hard as both already exist in some form by now.

No, you can't. If your console does not have that internet check, build in it's core. Someone, someday will find a way to apply the non-internet mode, to the digitally shared games. And you'll have a console that has digital sharing without any restriction. If there is a loophole, someone will find it.

 

[Strazdas]

hey, lets face it, we all knew it was just a matter of time till somone made a petition about it. there were quite a few very vocal people on the forum pushing for microsofts DRM agenda.

besides, 3000 votes, cha, looks like they arent getting support they expected. im sure there are more diehard fanboys than this.

Thank fuck the gaming media isn't reversing its stance any time soon.

For the record, I have no stance, I just find all of this drama interesting.

Well, and I find online petitions to be stereotypically, hilariously ineffectual.

as a person who never planned to buy Xbox to begin with i also find this whole ordeal extremely hilariuos. drama on the internet is best drama, and you dont even have to go to movie theater for it.


Capcha: Step back
yes, yes it is.

 

[hino77]

We are holding back the future with our dislike of always on drm! Too bad its a distopian cyberpunk future without the cool tech. I wonder if someone can classify fanboysm as some sort of metal disorder.

 

[Sean Strife]

We are holding back the future with our dislike of always on drm! Too bad its a distopian cyberpunk future without the cool tech. I wonder if someone can classify fanboysm as some sort of metal disorder.

If we can, I'm all for it.

OT: I can't believe there's another petition for this. Yeah, there's another petition floating around.

http://www.change.org/petitions/xbox-one-give-us-back-the-original-xbox-one

This also exists.

 

[Belated]

I can understand to an extent their irritation. I imagine when most people were against the DRM it was purely against the negative aspects of it. I don't think many assumed they'd just take away all of the good parts as well if they reversed their decisions.

I do think if Microsoft had managed to actually point out the benefits then people might have been more tolerant of the negative aspects, but to be honest they only have themselves to blame for all of this. The fact that they pissed people off with the DRM and then pissed off more people by removing it is not doing themselves any favours.

Now they just have two groups that dislike them. Those who haven't forgotten what they tried to add to the console, and those annoyed they took it away after announcing it.

Idiots, complete and utter idiots.

I wouldn't say that. Taking away the DRM was a good move, but getting rid of its positive features, not so much. Nonetheless, I've played with a disk-based system for years and years and I can do it this generation too. And I think you're assuming too much by thinking that the people who were mad at them over the DRM are still mad at them. Why? Why would we be? They took it away, they did what we wanted. That was the whole point of getting mad at the first place. We achieved our objective. There's no reason to stay mad. I, for example, was going to buy a PS4 when I heard about Microsoft's DRM, but Microsoft won me back when they got rid of it. Now I don't have to abandon Master Chief.

Consumers as a whole are dumb, but we're not that dumb. We know corporations are evil, and we're fully aware that the only reason Sony didn't use the same DRM is because they saw a huge opening to attack when Microsoft got so much backlash for it. We're also fully aware that Microsoft only took away the DRM because they foresaw low Xbox sales from low pre-orders. Us consumers understand that every bit of this is motivated by money and that not even Sony actually cares about us. Why on earth would we harbor a grudge against a corporation for being evil? That's like harboring a grudge against a squirrel for hiding nuts. This is what corporations do. We've resigned ourselves to that fact. We don't care if they used to have the DRM, as long as they don't have it now. If we wanted to stay mad at Microsoft just to be mad, we could've easily chosen one of the fifty billion other reasons to stay mad at them.

For example, the outsourced Chinese workers who make the 360s, who work in such god-awful conditions that they actually threatened mass-suicide. Or maybe the fact that if you get a 360 controller that has "slow-turn" or other manufacture defects, and you want to return it, they expect you to pay shipping. And if the new controller also has slow-turn (which they're prone to), they expect you to pay shipping to return that one. You could end up paying more in shipping than the controller itself cost just to get one that doesn't have any kind of slow-turn issue. Or how about the way that they will sometimes randomly ban a player from Xbox Live, and offer absolutely no recourse?

Which brings me to why I NEED my Xbox games to be disk-based and free of DRM. I'm in no hurry to leave my game ownership entirely in the hands of a Microsoft cloud, because this company often bans players for no reason, gives them no real explanation, and no recourse either. Just some shitty forum site where you can inquire about your ban, only to be dismissed condescendingly by an abusive moderator who doesn't even give you the chance to respond to the allegations. So on the off-chance that they might someday ban me for no reason, I'd prefer to have my Xbox games in my hands rather than tied to the banned account, so at the least I can play them online again from a new account.

 

[Colt47]

The part I just love about this petition is how the petitioners think the people against the DRM are to blame for the good parts being removed. What makes them think the family sharing and digital trading had any kind of relation to the always online 24 hour check? The only reason those two aspects were removed is because Microsoft is paranoid about the pirating minority and Microsoft wants to be political and try to turn consumers at each others throats.

They could have had a digital system where people could trade digital copies of games without the parts we didn't like: blame Microsoft for taking that bit out.

 

[Covarr]

Sorry, always wondered...who are you thanking?

Sony [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/93683-Sony-Trademarks-P-S-Thanks].

P.S. Thanks

 

[Jamous]

Maybe this is shortsighted of me, but I honestly can't believe that someone genuinely believed this. It's just beyond my fucking comprehension. Also, Steam for Xbox? No. No it wasn't. Because it was done to nowhere near the same decency or efficiency of Steam.

 

[Atmos Duality]

They aren't petitioning for the return of the DRM... of all the misinformed.... Notice the line where it says:

We want this back. It can't be all or nothing, there must be a compromise

They are clearly saying they want the features that were promised... not the actual DRM (that isn't a feature). I do so love how they are blaming Sony for "taking advantage of unsure consumers" (paraphrasing). The above quote is clearly pointing out that MS needs to compromise if they want to push the so called future of entertainment.

They ask for a compromise that cannot be reached; certainly not in the way they're asking.

Trade and resale of actual game licenses would require not only changes to how the marketplace functions as a whole, but ALSO legal concessions that the AAA game business would NEVER agree to save maybe as an ultimatum from a governing body.
(which won't happen in the United States)

 

[Baresark]

They aren't petitioning for the return of the DRM... of all the misinformed.... Notice the line where it says:

We want this back. It can't be all or nothing, there must be a compromise

They are clearly saying they want the features that were promised... not the actual DRM (that isn't a feature). I do so love how they are blaming Sony for "taking advantage of unsure consumers" (paraphrasing). The above quote is clearly pointing out that MS needs to compromise if they want to push the so called future of entertainment.

They ask for a compromise that cannot be reached; certainly not in the way they're asking.

Trade and resale of actual game licenses would require not only changes to how the marketplace functions as a whole, but ALSO legal concessions that the AAA game business would NEVER agree to save maybe as an ultimatum from a governing body.
(which won't happen in the United States)

An ultimatum for a business by a governing body in a situation such as this should not be a thing, as people are free to either adopt it or not. That said, the features they are asking for are not dependent on a strict DRM policy. Certainly not the phone home system they wanted to implement. MS chose to deny the advances simply because they couldn't control every second of content all the time on every system. You are correct though, a compromise will never be met because MS fears the consumer and wants to control it.