Xbox One Will Need 15-20 Minutes to Download Launch Patch

[shrekfan246]

What are you talking about?
Whenever I choose not to update my Windows computer, I know for a fact that at some point in the near future, Windows will force my laptop into doing the update for me. Whether I wanted it do or not.

Just two weeks ago I woke up to my laptop in the middle of rebooting itself after a self imposed major update.

Then you're doing something wrong.

I haven't had my Windows 7 laptop update itself in about two years; Mostly by choice because Windows Update never gorram works anyway.

You have to actually tell it to not automatically update, not just say "No" when the prompts come up.

OT: I always hate when companies say "Oh, it'll take X amount of time to download/install", because I know that I'll have to convert their estimate to my actual internet speed, and it always ends up being something like five to ten times slower.

It'd be nice if such a crucial update was included on the game discs like the PS3, PSP, and Vita do, and I hope the PS4 continues the tradition. I don't mind mandatory updates; But I do mind when they're reliant on my internet connection.

 

[MagunBFP]

Key words: "Don't have to."

Entirely optional. The PC doesn't require you download X firmware update to run the thing. For some reason consoles now do.

You'd be making an excellent point, except for... the graphics updates that you do need to be downloading and installing to make your games run and look so much better then it does on a console, the fact that for so many games these days you do need to have Steam installed so you need to download that once you've installed windows, the updates that PC games do require (mostly I use my PC for MMOs and they seem to be updating alot more frequently then any console game)... that doesn't even begin to cover the tweaks to the settings to make it run perfectly, or the trouble shooting you have to do when a game doesn't install smoothly.

So there are more then a few updates you have to install before you can play any/every game available for PC. All in all to get your computer running games it's a bit more then just plug and play, consoles are still faster to get from out of the box to sitting down and playing.

 

[RicoADF]

Key words: "Don't have to."

Entirely optional. The PC doesn't require you download X firmware update to run the thing. For some reason consoles now do.

You'd be making an excellent point, except for... the graphics updates that you do need to be downloading and installing to make your games run and look so much better then it does on a console, the fact that for so many games these days you do need to have Steam installed so you need to download that once you've installed windows, the updates that PC games do require (mostly I use my PC for MMOs and they seem to be updating alot more frequently then any console game)... that doesn't even begin to cover the tweaks to the settings to make it run perfectly, or the trouble shooting you have to do when a game doesn't install smoothly.

So there are more then a few updates you have to install before you can play any/every game available for PC. All in all to get your computer running games it's a bit more then just plug and play, consoles are still faster to get from out of the box to sitting down and playing.

I could format my laptop and reinstall windows and a few games within an hr without the internet at all. Only install windows and graphics driver and thats it. Mixture of gog.com and disc games still leave a few options. Not to mention it isnt required for the pc to run, just to play certain games. Pcs do more than play games.

 

[Skeleon]

They seem to really think we just got used to buying a product in need of patching and fixing. I know it's common. That doesn't mean it's okay.

 

[DkLnBr]

More importantly, what internet speed are they assuming with this? Because a 15 to 20 minute download at my house when I was at university (30Mb/s), could take close to a day at home, where if the speed breaches 1mb/s its a huge surprise.

Thats what I was wondering. My home internet is atrocious, so if it takes 15-20 on average internet speeds then it will take all day for me.
What is the patch for? Was the Xbox 1 not ready for launch? or is that patch for all the stuff that they pulled a 180 on?

 

[MagunBFP]

Key words: "Don't have to."

Entirely optional. The PC doesn't require you download X firmware update to run the thing. For some reason consoles now do.

You'd be making an excellent point, except for... the graphics updates that you do need to be downloading and installing to make your games run and look so much better then it does on a console, the fact that for so many games these days you do need to have Steam installed so you need to download that once you've installed windows, the updates that PC games do require (mostly I use my PC for MMOs and they seem to be updating alot more frequently then any console game)... that doesn't even begin to cover the tweaks to the settings to make it run perfectly, or the trouble shooting you have to do when a game doesn't install smoothly.

So there are more then a few updates you have to install before you can play any/every game available for PC. All in all to get your computer running games it's a bit more then just plug and play, consoles are still faster to get from out of the box to sitting down and playing.

I could format my laptop and reinstall windows and a few games within an hr without the internet at all. Only install windows and graphics driver and thats it. Mixture of gog.com and disc games still leave a few options. Not to mention it isnt required for the pc to run, just to play certain games. Pcs do more than play games.

Within an hour? Not bad, except the Xbox would be up and running and be completely updated within 1/4 - 1/3 of that time and even if we're not talking about how long it would take to get a PC out of the box and running a game, you still need to install whatever software you wanted to do instead.

My point was that Abomination was saying that you install the OS for a PC and you're all done you don't need to do anything else and that's really not true you can make up all the theoretical "I could be up and running in 5 minutes if I didn't do..." While technically you'd be correct, in a practical situation that's the exception rather then the rule and if that's not how you'd actually setup your PC then it's really just a "PC users have bigger e-penis' then console users" type of argument.

 

[Lightknight]

Isn't this one of the things the Wii U got slammed for when it came out?

Didn't the Wii U more get slammed for the initial software download taking up a fair chunk of the 4GB drive it started with?

OT: Microsoft backs down on always online. Forces you to be online when you buy the console anyway.

£10 says this is out of spite.

Wii U required a wifi connection and any disconnect during the update bricked the system. The 4GB issue was just that thing that impacted everyone regardless of success of the download.

OT: They haven't shipped the game yet. There's still almost two months from release. Why haven't they installed the update? I assume since they just started upgrading the hardware that they aren't all sitting in boxes on crates yet. Perhaps it'd just take them too much time per console whereas hardware is mechanical replacement.

In any event, 15-20 minutes wouldn't bother me. I mean, it certainly won't as I'm going ps4 but I expect the ps4 to have a day one patch too. There's little reason not to but it may not be required.

 

[RicoADF]

Within an hour? Not bad, except the Xbox would be up and running and be completely updated within 1/4 - 1/3 of that time and even if we're not talking about how long it would take to get a PC out of the box and running a game, you still need to install whatever software you wanted to do instead.

My point was that Abomination was saying that you install the OS for a PC and you're all done you don't need to do anything else and that's really not true you can make up all the theoretical "I could be up and running in 5 minutes if I didn't do..." While technically you'd be correct, in a practical situation that's the exception rather then the rule and if that's not how you'd actually setup your PC then it's really just a "PC users have bigger e-penis' then console users" type of argument.

I got the impression he was refering to the requirement to download a patch for the system to work period, where as a PC will work (assuming windows is installed, which most laptops etc are when you buy them) out of the box without net. True if you want the latest games you will probably need steam, but the PC and office, photoshop, alot of non steam games etc, will work out of the box without updates/internet connection.

If that's not what he meant then I retract my statement as I misunderstood what Abomination was referring to.

*SNIP*

OT: They haven't shipped the game yet. There's still almost two months from release. Why haven't they installed the update? I assume since they just started upgrading the hardware that they aren't all sitting in boxes on crates yet. Perhaps it'd just take them too much time per console whereas hardware is mechanical replacement.

In any event, 15-20 minutes wouldn't bother me. I mean, it certainly won't as I'm going ps4 but I expect the ps4 to have a day one patch too. There's little reason not to but it may not be required.

Err what hardware upgrades? As far as I know the console is set and is well into production, heck most of them must be built by now and packed into crates as it's about a month away from release, if their not done by now it won't be in stores in time.

 

[Dragonbums]

What are you talking about?
Whenever I choose not to update my Windows computer, I know for a fact that at some point in the near future, Windows will force my laptop into doing the update for me. Whether I wanted it do or not.

Just two weeks ago I woke up to my laptop in the middle of rebooting itself after a self imposed major update.

Then you're doing something wrong.

I haven't had my Windows 7 laptop update itself in about two years; Mostly by choice because Windows Update never gorram works anyway.

You have to actually tell it to not automatically update, not just say "No" when the prompts come up.

OT: I always hate when companies say "Oh, it'll take X amount of time to download/install", because I know that I'll have to convert their estimate to my actual internet speed, and it always ends up being something like five to ten times slower.

It'd be nice if such a crucial update was included on the game discs like the PS3, PSP, and Vita do, and I hope the PS4 continues the tradition. I don't mind mandatory updates; But I do mind when they're reliant on my internet connection.

Am I?

Because the only thing I can do is delay it for 5-5 hours. After that it does it by itself.

I don't mess with my computer that much. Nor does the average Windows user. There are plenty of forums where people complain about having their Windows computer update on it's own.

 

[RicoADF]

Am I?

Because the only thing I can do is delay it for 5-5 hours. After that it does it by itself.

I don't mess with my computer that much. Nor does the average Windows user. There are plenty of forums where people complain about having their Windows computer update on it's own.

To fix this go to:
Start -> Control Panel -> Windows Update

On the left side is a list, click on Change Settings.

Then you get to select how it updates, in the drop down menu select "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them" and hit "OK".

There now the system will alert you to updates but wont download or install without you hitting the update icon in the system tray and then clicking "install updates". And it wont bug you, it'll just have a small bubble when your system starts up.

Hope it helps!

 

[shrekfan246]

What are you talking about?
Whenever I choose not to update my Windows computer, I know for a fact that at some point in the near future, Windows will force my laptop into doing the update for me. Whether I wanted it do or not.

Just two weeks ago I woke up to my laptop in the middle of rebooting itself after a self imposed major update.

Then you're doing something wrong.

I haven't had my Windows 7 laptop update itself in about two years; Mostly by choice because Windows Update never gorram works anyway.

You have to actually tell it to not automatically update, not just say "No" when the prompts come up.

OT: I always hate when companies say "Oh, it'll take X amount of time to download/install", because I know that I'll have to convert their estimate to my actual internet speed, and it always ends up being something like five to ten times slower.

It'd be nice if such a crucial update was included on the game discs like the PS3, PSP, and Vita do, and I hope the PS4 continues the tradition. I don't mind mandatory updates; But I do mind when they're reliant on my internet connection.

Am I?

Because the only thing I can do is delay it for 5-5 hours. After that it does it by itself.

Because you're not actually telling it to not update.

Yes, Windows is incredibly stupid like that, but you can stop it from trying to update itself by messing around with the security options in the control panel.

I don't mess with my computer that much. Nor does the average Windows user. There are plenty of forums where people complain about having their Windows computer update on it's own.

[Citation needed].

Don't get me wrong, I'm never surprised at the amount of people there are in the world who know absolutely nothing about computers or just know enough to do what they generally need one for, but to the person who would actually really care about the elements of Windows that impede on active use it's not that hard to find out how to get around all of Windows' annoying prodding and poking if you didn't already have the knowledge. A quick Google search is often enough.

 

[DrOswald]

I don't see this as a big problem as long as the download is reliable.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

How many games and systems have day one patches? And didn't the Wii U patch take most people a few HOURS to download?

I don't see why this should be regarded as any different. Yes it sucks, yes products should be ready when they're released, but the Xbox One isn't an exception here.

People are just trying to find any old excuse to hate on the Xbox One at this point. There are many, MANY legitimate criticisms you can have about the console, but this ain't one of them.

Now as much as I do not care about a day one update I do think that just because everyone else is doing something does not make it right. If people want to complain about Xbox One day one update then that's fine, as long as they complained just as loudly and often about Wii U's day one update.

 

[hermes]

Now...when they say "Mandatory", how mandatory is mandatory?

As in, if I choose to stay offline with my system, will I have to download this patch in order for my system to do the most basic functions of playing video games? Could I pop in Dead Rising 3 and start playing it without this patch if I am never ever planning on going online with my hypothetical Xbox One?

Since that update will be the one that enables you to play games offline, I would say its pretty mandatory to your plans. If you don't update it because you can't get it online, the DRM will disable games like it was originally announced.

One more reason not to buy any first iteration of a console generation. The things to get ironed out are introduced in pieces.

 

[Buizel91]

The sad part is that they're probably going to get a lot of hate for this, simply because it's the Xbox One.

Pretty much this, its a standard state of affairs with modern consoles. The PS4 will no doubt have a bunch of firmware updates and any games will need patches, but hey consoles are more convenient right?

In an alternate universe where it doesn't take 30 mins to be able to play GTA V, I could have downloaded a PC version, installed it and started playing in the same amount of time it took to update the 360 and install the first disk.

Because a PC never has to update when you first switch it on...Right? ¬_¬

OT: 20 minutes isn't that bad...i was half expecting it to be an hour or so, still sucks though =\

 

[J Tyran]

The sad part is that they're probably going to get a lot of hate for this, simply because it's the Xbox One.

Pretty much this, its a standard state of affairs with modern consoles. The PS4 will no doubt have a bunch of firmware updates and any games will need patches, but hey consoles are more convenient right?

In an alternate universe where it doesn't take 30 mins to be able to play GTA V, I could have downloaded a PC version, installed it and started playing in the same amount of time it took to update the 360 and install the first disk.

Because a PC never has to update when you first switch it on...Right? ¬_¬

OT: 20 minutes isn't that bad...i was half expecting it to be an hour or so, still sucks though =\

You can still use a PC while it updates though and no there is no justification for it to take 30 mins to be able to play a game on a console, consoles are simply worse. This outgoing generation needs to be quietly taken behind the barn and put out its misery, I tried to play Far Cry 3 on the PS3 last week and the frame rate made it virtually unplayable.

 

[Little Gray]

Assuming the multi-billion dollar software company has good experience with computers, they should presumably be able to deal with this. If they didn't know about it in advance, then sure, there'd be problems, but Microsoft literally /chose/ the date of release. It's not going to catch them off guard.

The problem with this idea is that gamers have been hit with plenty of day one glitches recently: SimCity & Diablo 3 come to mind immediately.

Just because you have "experience with computers" doesn't mean you can't screw up.

The thing with those is that nobody knew how many day one or even week one sales there is going to be. The problem with Diablo 3 also only lasted a day. With the xbox one however microsoft will have a hard cap on the number of sales and since its only a 20 min patch there will actually be less stress on the servers. You are not going to have five million people all trying to be online at the same time.

 

[Dragonbums]

Am I?

Because the only thing I can do is delay it for 5-5 hours. After that it does it by itself.

I don't mess with my computer that much. Nor does the average Windows user. There are plenty of forums where people complain about having their Windows computer update on it's own.

To fix this go to:
Start -> Control Panel -> Windows Update

On the left side is a list, click on Change Settings.

Then you get to select how it updates, in the drop down menu select "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them" and hit "OK".

There now the system will alert you to updates but wont download or install without you hitting the update icon in the system tray and then clicking "install updates". And it wont bug you, it'll just have a small bubble when your system starts up.

Hope it helps!

Ah, thanks!

This is great.

 

[Lightknight]

Err what hardware upgrades? As far as I know the console is set and is well into production, heck most of them must be built by now and packed into crates as it's about a month away from release, if their not done by now it won't be in stores in time.

Supposedly, in response Sony's machine being 50% more powerful than the XBO they decided to upgrade the CPU.

They overclocked the GPU from 800 MHz to 853MHz and upgraded the CPU from 1.6 GHz to 1.75 GHz.

Basically, they wasted our time for what has to be one of the least consequential changes to hardware I've seen a company make. They likely did it just to have a few numbers that look higher that the ps4's specs to people who don't understand that modern x86 architecture does not rely on CPUs so much as RAM and GPU. They didn't improve the GPU so much as just make it work harder.

Microsoft essentially isn't trying to sell you a powerful console. They're trying to sell you a service. You buy a box and then they use their cloud servers to make it legitimately powerful. Personally, I'd rather they dropped the mandatory $200 kinect 2 and dumped $100 of that price tag into hardware. Then it'd be a comparable machine at the same price to the ps4. But no, they decided to force consumers to buy a device that cost almost as much to produce as the system itself.