Xbox One's Policy Reveal, According To Microsoft's Whitten

[Jabberwock King]

Good to see that my hopes for this shit getting patched out is being pursued before it even reaches a shelf. I'm sure there will be ways of dealing with the Kinect, whether it involves an off switch, facing it against a wall or wrapping it in a ball of cellophane. I'm seeing this conversation about MS having the potential to reinstate their restrictive policies, but I have a solution for that. Stop paying for XBL and stuff the Xbox in a closet/sell it/smash it to bits, they'll learn.

 

[GAunderrated]

"games which require a connected state, like Forza with its drivatars, will still need one regardless of Microsoft's policy change."

Walls.

Still present.

You know, considering the cloud functionality that's been shoe-horned into just about every single game?

Making games that can run off the hardware it's sold for seems to have become an outdated concept.

 

[Slash2x]

YEAH.......... Still not getting this. I want to mark my statement that today is the day I said, "Micro$oft will change all this with a EULA change after they sell the lion share of the units they are going to."

Also anyone else notice that they pulled a "well it is my ball and I am leaving" with the family sharing?

 

[Colt47]

They didn't listen to consumers. They listened to pre-order numbers and the loss of money in the bank because of the DRM policies and Kinect issue. Unfortunately, they still haven't dealt with the kinect or the price discrepancy, so it's a no purchase for me.

Yeah, because lord knows it isn't consumers that make pre-orders, roight...?

Well, yes. Point is they don't really care about the bellyaching from consumers as long as it doesn't hurt profit margins.

 

[BakaSmurf]

They didn't listen to consumers. They listened to pre-order numbers and the loss of money in the bank because of the DRM policies and Kinect issue. Unfortunately, they still haven't dealt with the kinect or the price discrepancy, so it's a no purchase for me.

Yeah, because lord knows it isn't consumers that make pre-orders, roight...?

Well, yes. Point is they don't really care about the bellyaching from consumers as long as it doesn't hurt profit margins.

That they listened to the consumers only begrudgingly after proof was presented that consumers wouldn't stomach their crap doesn't change the fact that they listened to the consumers.

 

[Colt47]

They didn't listen to consumers. They listened to pre-order numbers and the loss of money in the bank because of the DRM policies and Kinect issue. Unfortunately, they still haven't dealt with the kinect or the price discrepancy, so it's a no purchase for me.

Yeah, because lord knows it isn't consumers that make pre-orders, roight...?

Well, yes. Point is they don't really care about the bellyaching from consumers as long as it doesn't hurt profit margins.

That they listened to the consumers only begrudgingly after proof was presented that consumers wouldn't stomach their crap doesn't change the fact that they listened to the consumers.

Honestly, Sony has more to do with Microsoft changing their policy than we do.

 

[Something Amyss]

I like the whole "wants gamers to get excited again about the Xbox One" thing. Their PR and marketing figured out how to do their job.

They wanted us to be excited before, too. They've just really sucked at getting us there.

 

[Something Amyss]

That they listened to the consumers only begrudgingly after proof was presented that consumers wouldn't stomach their crap doesn't change the fact that they listened to the consumers.

If Sony had embraced the same kind of DRM, we would likely see pre-orders split. I doubt gamers as a whole would have the self-control to skip out on their new, shiny PRECIOUS!

Gamers don't like actually boycotting things. That's why boycotts tend to fail: we complain and then buy the stuff anyway. Gamers also tend to an X v Y attitude, where if one console is bad the ONLY alternative is "the" other. Not buying tends to be...Not a reality.

To be fair, X v Y isn't exactly exclusive to gamers. It's why our presidents tend to be the shinier turd (In America, at least), and so on.

 

[erbi79]

They didn't listen to consumers. They listened to pre-order numbers and the loss of money in the bank because of the DRM policies and Kinect issue. Unfortunately, they still haven't dealt with the kinect or the price discrepancy, so it's a no purchase for me.

Yeah, because lord knows it isn't consumers that make pre-orders, roight...?

Well, yes. Point is they don't really care about the bellyaching from consumers as long as it doesn't hurt profit margins.

That they listened to the consumers only begrudgingly after proof was presented that consumers wouldn't stomach their crap doesn't change the fact that they listened to the consumers.

Honestly, Sony has more to do with Microsoft changing their policy than we do.

100% true, otherwise they would have never allowed sony to stomp at them at e3

 

[BakaSmurf]

They didn't listen to consumers. They listened to pre-order numbers and the loss of money in the bank because of the DRM policies and Kinect issue. Unfortunately, they still haven't dealt with the kinect or the price discrepancy, so it's a no purchase for me.

Yeah, because lord knows it isn't consumers that make pre-orders, roight...?

Well, yes. Point is they don't really care about the bellyaching from consumers as long as it doesn't hurt profit margins.

That they listened to the consumers only begrudgingly after proof was presented that consumers wouldn't stomach their crap doesn't change the fact that they listened to the consumers.

Honestly, Sony has more to do with Microsoft changing their policy than we do.

I don't see why you bothered responding at all if you were just going to make an attempt to side-step my arguement...

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If Sony had embraced the same kind of DRM, we would likely see pre-orders split. I doubt gamers as a whole would have the self-control to skip out on their new, shiny PRECIOUS!

Gamers don't like actually boycotting things. That's why boycotts tend to fail: we complain and then buy the stuff anyway. Gamers also tend to an X v Y attitude, where if one console is bad the ONLY alternative is "the" other. Not buying tends to be...Not a reality.

To be fair, X v Y isn't exactly exclusive to gamers. It's why our presidents tend to be the shinier turd (In America, at least), and so on.

An arguement based on entirely on hypotheticals... Good show mate.

 

[Colt47]

They didn't listen to consumers. They listened to pre-order numbers and the loss of money in the bank because of the DRM policies and Kinect issue. Unfortunately, they still haven't dealt with the kinect or the price discrepancy, so it's a no purchase for me.

Yeah, because lord knows it isn't consumers that make pre-orders, roight...?

Well, yes. Point is they don't really care about the bellyaching from consumers as long as it doesn't hurt profit margins.

That they listened to the consumers only begrudgingly after proof was presented that consumers wouldn't stomach their crap doesn't change the fact that they listened to the consumers.

Honestly, Sony has more to do with Microsoft changing their policy than we do.

I don't see why you bothered responding at all if you were just going to make an attempt to side-step my arguement...

snip

If Sony had embraced the same kind of DRM, we would likely see pre-orders split. I doubt gamers as a whole would have the self-control to skip out on their new, shiny PRECIOUS!

Gamers don't like actually boycotting things. That's why boycotts tend to fail: we complain and then buy the stuff anyway. Gamers also tend to an X v Y attitude, where if one console is bad the ONLY alternative is "the" other. Not buying tends to be...Not a reality.

To be fair, X v Y isn't exactly exclusive to gamers. It's why our presidents tend to be the shinier turd (In America, at least), and so on.

An arguement based on entirely on hypotheticals... Good show mate.

I side stepped your argument because I saw your point and don't see any reason to keep arguing? o O

 

[oldtaku]

What the hell kind of captcha is this? Seriously!

Eh? Those are all perfectly legible Farsi.

(Guess I better stick a joke tag on this.)

 

[BakaSmurf]

I don't see why you bothered responding at all if you were just going to make an attempt to side-step my arguement...

I side stepped your argument because I saw your point and don't see any reason to keep arguing? o O

...Alright. Carry on then.

 

[Something Amyss]

An arguement based on entirely on hypotheticals... Good show mate.

Yes, people buying Mass Effect 3 when claiming to boycott it is a hypothetical. Good lie, mate.

 

[Lo Flying Frying Pan]

Is it really so hard to keep an open ear for the wants and needs of the consumers? That is in addition to the authoring of flexible policies that strike the happy medium between developer, publisher and consumer? The vitriol of the gaming mega-giants are harming my appetite to play my beloved video-games.

 

[knight steel]

Hmm let's see here

1:Still more Expensive than the PS4.

2:Still requires kinnect.

3: Requires my xbox be connected to the internet for the first update [which is impossible for me given the arrangement of my house right now]

Looks like I'm still going to be getting a PS4.

captcha:TIME MACHINE

Guessing that Microsoft is wishing it had one of these.

 

[faefrost]

I am just curious, did any of the game at the show even use Kinect? I think they have a new kinect sports, but besides that I didn't see one game that even incorporated kinect elements. Yes, the kinect is still as vital as ever, because navigating a menu is so much more difficult than trying to get Kinect to bring up the correct video sharing, tv, movie, whatever feature.

More like "Because the Kinect is vital to our profit stream as it is a tool we can use to compete in Google's playground. Hah! Google thinks they are so smart offering all this metadata on their users habits to advertisers. With Kinect we can tell the advertisers exactly what they are looking at, for how long, and what makes their heart rate... And they can't shut it off or avoid it!

Kinect has nothing to do with you as a gamer and everything to do with you as the product being sold.

 

[Colt47]

Well, this is good news for Xbox One pre-purchasers in any case. I know I'm still sticking with the PS4 since it costs less and the benefits of the PS+ service are really good.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

The Kinect is still as vital as ever; you'll need to have it in order to play any of your games.

Aww, that's a shame. And here I was hoping I'd be able to play my games in my tiny shoebox I call home.

 

[BakaSmurf]

An arguement based on entirely on hypotheticals... Good show mate.

Yes, people buying Mass Effect 3 when claiming to boycott it is a hypothetical. Good lie, mate.

Spoiler: It's called a dictionary, you should invest in one.

Lie
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Synonyms: prevarication, falsification. Antonyms: truth.

Seeing as how I made no mention of Mass Effect 3, and for that matter, neither did you, it is clear that word doesn't mean whatever it is you think it means, so seeing as how you've yet to prove that you possess omniscient precognition and could thus literally see an alternative timeline launch of the Xbox One in which Microsoft never removed the heavy-handed DRM and provide infallible proof of said vision of the alternative future, then the arguement you put forth is indeed built on hypotheticals and nothing more, mate.