You Too Can Backstab In Dust 514
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I STILL say that making a PS3-exclusive spinoff to one of the "most PC" games of all time is simply the most retarded thing I have heard in ages. I WOULD be interested in this game if it weren't a PS3 exclusive. Since it is, I immediately have NO interest in it whatsoever, and not just because I don't own a PS3. I wouldn't play it even if I did because I still firmly believe that FPSs are wasted on console.
Fixed that for you.erttheking said:
Still, id rather blast them from orbit and then laugh as their corpses melt.
They wanted the console audience for their FPS game. so PC was out of the window, PC folk have ever after all (stupid of CCP imo).
Wii cant run it.
Microsoft said "you want to give them free updates? we dont allow that" so CCP just told them to Foff.
and here we are left with PS3, which during developement was found it to be utterly useless when needing to load large enviroments, so DUST is limited due to PS3 having feces instead of RAM.
Sofa Soldiers and Chair Force?octafish said:
I was actually looking forward to seeing how two MMOs can interact in such a way, it sounds like a VERY ambitious project... then they ruin it and make the FPS only for Playstation.Mr.Tea said:OT: I still can't even begin to fathom why the hell this is a PS3 exclusive... So the PC MMO that ranges from Hardcore to Insane politico-corporate manoeuvring simulator gets a shooter spin-off and it's only for PS3???
So they are going to take their dedicated player base and essentially cut a significant portion of them off to... encourage them to buy a Playstation 3/4? It sounds like the plan of a fool.
The F2P is a great idea though as you would want there to be more FPS players than starship captai--- recruitable mercenary guilds for boarding parties? Commissioned captains serving as close air support and tactical dropships? The EVE guilds turning into Galactic PMCs?! As an avid Natural Selection 2 fan the sheer POTENTIAL here is staggering.
But oh, it's only for Playstation.
I'm 80% sure I read somewhere that it will come to PC in due course which is something at least!Abomination said:
Hopefully the battles will be able to have some effect back in Eve. Like if one planet is owned by Corporation A and is generating money into Eve then mercs hired by Corporation B take control, the money flow is changed. Stuff like that would make the requirement for Eve players to actively search out Dust players a very useful one.
How will Playstation players compete with PC gamers if they're on the same battlefield? On average the mouse-keyboard combo offers a far more precise method of targetting for first person shooters. The PC also offers better communication features... and who knows about modifications.Fasckira said:
The concept behind it is what I find fascinating. I played EVE for a good long while and the idea of interacting with a "completely" different game through contracts and so on sounds very interesting. Tie that into the complex gargantuan economy of EVE that's already in place and it'll be something definitely interesting to watch. No wonder CCP is hiring financial experts to try and make it all work. XD
While I am a little disappointed it'll only be PS3 (I just can't bring myself to play shooters on consoles), it's fairly obvious they are trying to broaden the audience for the universe, while keeping the core game to the dedicated players they already have. Makes a certain level of sense to me. It would be nice to be able to play this on PC one day though.
While I am a little disappointed it'll only be PS3 (I just can't bring myself to play shooters on consoles), it's fairly obvious they are trying to broaden the audience for the universe, while keeping the core game to the dedicated players they already have. Makes a certain level of sense to me. It would be nice to be able to play this on PC one day though.
Thats a whole separate argument right there, one that I've seen turn into massive threads of flaming rage. No idea though as to how CCP are planning to do, just relatively sure I read it somewhere (Im thinking Giant Bomb for some reason but dont have the inclination to double check this).Abomination said:
I don't play Eve any more and don't own a PS3, but I still really hope this goes well. Not just because I like CCP, but because of what it could mean for the future. A few games have tried things like combining FPS and RTS in the same game but they've never worked particularly well, with the most obvious reason being that the only way to get two genres in a single game is to do double the work and effectively make two games. If this shows that you can develop and release games separately but still successfully integrate them, hopefully we'll see a lot more of that sort of thing in the future. Just think of the possibilities - Grand strategy + RTS + SimCity + FPS, RPG + Dungeon Keeper, MOO + Elite, Star Wars + Star Trek, dogs and cats living together!
You can put small guns on bigger ships. Not usually much point, but it does have its uses sometimes.Cid SilverWing said:
Before you get too excited, keep in mind that the planets get split up into "Districts", and each district currently supports just 48 players (far less than the 64 you see in the likes of Red Orchestra and most Battlefields), so curb your expectations if you think this is going to be Planetside 2 for the consoles. If SONY Online Entertainment thought that Planetside 2 could run on the PS3 they'd have settled a port by now. 
I had huge hopes for this game, but having been in the beta, I'm now very dissapointed with the whole thing. The basic shooting mechanics are pretty mediocre, one of the only 2 game modes, ambush (basically TDM) is an unplayable joke due to terrible spawning, CCP can never seem to get the xp system right in any of the several builds they've gone through (you either level up too quickly, too slowly, there's either a daily cap, a weekly cap with diminishing returns, or no cap at all!) and every build brings new and interesting balance issues, either between classes or weapons (don't even try to use a scout suit and a sniper right now and stay the HELL away from heavies!).
I gave up a couple of builds ago when they decided to drop isk rewards to almost nothing, making it impossible to actually play the game because you couldn't afford to buy anythng above the most basic militia items. I tried it again recently and my current basic scout fitting costs around 12k isk, which is pretty cheap, but not so much when you're only getting 100k isk per battle and dieing 5-6 times each game and making nearly no kills because all the vets have been playing for months and are several million sp ahead of you. And the next level of scout suit goes up in price even more, assaults and heavies can cost double or even triple that.
Oh, and don't even try to play on your own, you need to join a corporation like, immiediately upon starting, because new players are going to DIE. But then of course you would have to play with your corp pretty much all the time because casual soloing is impossible. Oh and you better hope somebody in that corp has paid real money into the game to by a UVT, otherwise there's no corp talk channel outside of the squad channels (and, being on ps3, almost nobody talks in game anyway).
Yeah, so dissapointed.
EDIT; oh, and the laser rifle is shit, dropships are useless and a massive waste of hundreds of thousands of isk that wil die in seconds, and tanks are unstoppable killing machines that dominate the battlefield because nobody switches to swarm missiles to take them out, instead hiding in mountains to snipe whilst the enemy captures all the control points and wins the game. Every. Single. Time!
I gave up a couple of builds ago when they decided to drop isk rewards to almost nothing, making it impossible to actually play the game because you couldn't afford to buy anythng above the most basic militia items. I tried it again recently and my current basic scout fitting costs around 12k isk, which is pretty cheap, but not so much when you're only getting 100k isk per battle and dieing 5-6 times each game and making nearly no kills because all the vets have been playing for months and are several million sp ahead of you. And the next level of scout suit goes up in price even more, assaults and heavies can cost double or even triple that.
Oh, and don't even try to play on your own, you need to join a corporation like, immiediately upon starting, because new players are going to DIE. But then of course you would have to play with your corp pretty much all the time because casual soloing is impossible. Oh and you better hope somebody in that corp has paid real money into the game to by a UVT, otherwise there's no corp talk channel outside of the squad channels (and, being on ps3, almost nobody talks in game anyway).
Yeah, so dissapointed.
EDIT; oh, and the laser rifle is shit, dropships are useless and a massive waste of hundreds of thousands of isk that wil die in seconds, and tanks are unstoppable killing machines that dominate the battlefield because nobody switches to swarm missiles to take them out, instead hiding in mountains to snipe whilst the enemy captures all the control points and wins the game. Every. Single. Time!
PC and Console gamers? Working together? To take over planets?
Sounds cool, but this can only end in bloodshed.
Sounds cool, but this can only end in bloodshed.
You've missed the point a bit; this is going to be integrated, in real time, into EVE. I can load up my destroyer, fly it to a planet and start nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure) if I want. Or if they pay me enough. I could have supplies sent to a soldier in battle, as far as I know. Someone in a completely different part of the world, on a completely different plaform, playing a completely different game. It's as Massively Multiplayer as you can get.Little Gray said:No not really. Its just a regular fps with a small little hub where you buy equipment and stuff from menu screens.erttheking said:And MMOFPS...uh...is...that even a thing? It sounds neat...but I don't own a PS3
OT: I'm not surprised. EVE has always been about organic PvP so this makes sense. What I look forward to is the whining about losing your equipment when you die
I've been waiting to get my hands on this game. A throwback to my days in Eve might be just the thing I need right now and this seems like something I don't have to dedicate my life to. I wish it were on the PC but I can live with a PS3 version for now.
Just a heads up to the people who are thinking of buying a PS3 to play this game.
Having been in the closed beta, I left quite early after noticing a few things:
1. It has some pay-to-win elements. Several weapons which can only be obtained with real money have an advantage, like being able to be equipped at lower levels, or drawing less power from your power grid. This could be a significant advantage, because you can now equip something more powerful in another slot, making the paying person's loadout better than a non-paying player.
2. The shooter mechanics are just average. The TTKs are okay, but something about the weapons just doesn't feel 'right'. Probably due to lower recoil and higher CoF that I've grown accustomed to.
3. Netcode was just horrid. It was pretty bad once the people with Asian names (not being racist, I'm Asian myself) started joining games and caused my bullets to become useless. I'm thinking the game might be using client-side hit detection (very bad).
Overall: Definitely not worth buying a PS3 just to play DUST 514. There are better shooters out there.
Having been in the closed beta, I left quite early after noticing a few things:
1. It has some pay-to-win elements. Several weapons which can only be obtained with real money have an advantage, like being able to be equipped at lower levels, or drawing less power from your power grid. This could be a significant advantage, because you can now equip something more powerful in another slot, making the paying person's loadout better than a non-paying player.
2. The shooter mechanics are just average. The TTKs are okay, but something about the weapons just doesn't feel 'right'. Probably due to lower recoil and higher CoF that I've grown accustomed to.
3. Netcode was just horrid. It was pretty bad once the people with Asian names (not being racist, I'm Asian myself) started joining games and caused my bullets to become useless. I'm thinking the game might be using client-side hit detection (very bad).
Overall: Definitely not worth buying a PS3 just to play DUST 514. There are better shooters out there.
Alert the first world problems police. Trade it in and get a new PS3 + decent gaming rig, then install a Hackintosh.erttheking said:
Like cramming them into tight confined spaces and transporting them to the next bloodshed. I hope I get credits for transport, a farmer's got toEightGaugeHippo said:
As a new EVE player let me throw some knowledge at yah. CCP choose not to release on PC because they were concerned with their audience playing dust. That?s right they DONT want eve players to play dust. As some people suggest a player can order an orbital strike and dust and self-deliver it via eve, kind of lame when you think about.
So CCP wanted to encourage these two playerbases communicating to achieve similar goals, match win in dust= easier capture in eves staged PVP area of factional warfare.
CCP also did not want to risk fragmenting their player base, although I believe the risk of the players actually fragmenting is low based on the difference in the games. CCP cares Way too much about the player base and audience evidence by their direct intake of player suggestion for devolvement via the player elected Council of Stellar Management.
CCP is a weird kind of dev., they care to much the product and this results in bad corporate decisions. As a gamer I am okay with that
So CCP wanted to encourage these two playerbases communicating to achieve similar goals, match win in dust= easier capture in eves staged PVP area of factional warfare.
CCP also did not want to risk fragmenting their player base, although I believe the risk of the players actually fragmenting is low based on the difference in the games. CCP cares Way too much about the player base and audience evidence by their direct intake of player suggestion for devolvement via the player elected Council of Stellar Management.
CCP is a weird kind of dev., they care to much the product and this results in bad corporate decisions. As a gamer I am okay with that
More to the point Sony gave CCP a ton of money to fund DUST, and didn't want DUST to be directly competing with Sony's other Futuristic MMOFPS, Planetside 2.link55307 said: