It's mentioned in the game (and my previous post) that Saren is using the place for researching Indoctrination, as well as breeding up his Krogan army. Besides, he has an entire galaxy to conquer, so he's going to need ground forces to take out the rest of the survivors, not to mention that he didn't know he was going to find the conduit when he did (you're kind of assuming that Saren already knew how the game's plot would work out) or that the Geth would continue throwing their people away on his command. When you're on a project this big, it's good to have a contingency plan.Amethyst Wind said:
Your dream Mass Effect 3 ending
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Wow, thats deep, the very last past with the bacteria would be pretty spooky.FernandoV said:
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This put scary thoughts into my head...Radoh said:
Legion and Tali start living together, Legion gets a well paying job in retail and becomes more and more absorbed into something like
'The Quarian Dream', two hovercars in the garage, routine arguements over how to discipline the children (yes children), cheap intergalactic television, stainless steel cutlery and Legion begins to say 'Honey I'm home' when he comes home from work...
I'm gonna have nightmares.
I shit you not.
Yes, it was a research facility, but it could have been more discreet, not a huge stone monolith built on a cliff edge. Psychological research rarely needs that much space.KalosCast said:
The reapers already had ground forces for mop-up in the Collectors (who also serve as a contingency plan so ME2 could actually happen), so between them and the Geth I'm still not seeing the need for a clone Krogan army, especially since he didn't seem to have any intention of letting it become public knowledge that he could subvert the genophage (I don't think 'cure' is the right word here) so no Tuchankan natives would be swayed to his side (except maybe that Battlemaster on Therum, but he could've just been in it for the credits).
Use the Virmire beacon - fine. Research indoctrination on Virmire - fine. Build obvious base of operation on Virmire rather than a facility that wouldn't garner as much attention - not fine.
I can't believe that the Virmire beacon hasn't been around for a long time, since the base itself is so far along (Rana Thanoptis hints at months at least) and the beacon is housed at the center.
What's with everyone fantasizing about Wrex during the ending of ME3? I got sick of him very early in ME1 and on my first play through killed him on the beach at Virmire or didn't even take him along.
That said, I'm having trouble with any involvement of Reapers in the ME3 plotline except the end. Why? Because they're stuck way outside the galaxy with no way to get back inside. Think of it like a bus stop. The Reapers were waiting in space for the Citadel to activate, but then it didn't, so they 'started walking.' I would like to see Shepherd rally the galaxy to produce hundreds of Reaper strength ships piloted by AI, reactivate the Citadel Relay, and attack the Reapers from behind in a preemptive strike.
The only thing the Reapers have on their side is time. They attack the galaxy when civilization is about to reach the level necessary to oppose them. Now, the Reapers' biggest disadvantage is time. By the time they arrive, millions of years later, the galaxy would have enough technology to easily defeat them. This in itself kind of ruins the point of ME3, and is why ME2's plot was so irrelevant (a human reaper? bugs collecting people for their DNA material? meh).
Maybe the writers of ME3 will surprise me, maybe they'll go the route of making the Reapers completely irrelevant until the very end and kill them with a (plot hole filling) super-weapon. But seriously, a human Reaper? Why did it look like a human anyway? Why does EVERY SINGLE REAPER look like a cuttlefish but suddenly because they are using human DNA look like a human? Was every advanced species before humans a cuttlefish? If so, why is every species in this cycle bipedal humanoids? I have little faith in ME3, so my biggest dream is simply a compelling/logical plot.
(EDIT: I loved ME1's plot. I think that's important to point out for some reason.)
That said, I'm having trouble with any involvement of Reapers in the ME3 plotline except the end. Why? Because they're stuck way outside the galaxy with no way to get back inside. Think of it like a bus stop. The Reapers were waiting in space for the Citadel to activate, but then it didn't, so they 'started walking.' I would like to see Shepherd rally the galaxy to produce hundreds of Reaper strength ships piloted by AI, reactivate the Citadel Relay, and attack the Reapers from behind in a preemptive strike.
The only thing the Reapers have on their side is time. They attack the galaxy when civilization is about to reach the level necessary to oppose them. Now, the Reapers' biggest disadvantage is time. By the time they arrive, millions of years later, the galaxy would have enough technology to easily defeat them. This in itself kind of ruins the point of ME3, and is why ME2's plot was so irrelevant (a human reaper? bugs collecting people for their DNA material? meh).
Maybe the writers of ME3 will surprise me, maybe they'll go the route of making the Reapers completely irrelevant until the very end and kill them with a (plot hole filling) super-weapon. But seriously, a human Reaper? Why did it look like a human anyway? Why does EVERY SINGLE REAPER look like a cuttlefish but suddenly because they are using human DNA look like a human? Was every advanced species before humans a cuttlefish? If so, why is every species in this cycle bipedal humanoids? I have little faith in ME3, so my biggest dream is simply a compelling/logical plot.
(EDIT: I loved ME1's plot. I think that's important to point out for some reason.)
It was all just a dream...
Basically the final mission comes to a dramatic climax, and then it suddenly cuts to...
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or the Family Guy one with Adam West and Rob Lowe. That would be better, but I can't find the clip.
Basically the final mission comes to a dramatic climax, and then it suddenly cuts to...
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or the Family Guy one with Adam West and Rob Lowe. That would be better, but I can't find the clip.
You spend all of ME3 trying to gather all the races together, making them realise they have to overcome their differences to survive. Eventually, uncountable ships, more then have been assembled in history line up for the final battle. Most people are confidant, except Shepard and co. Then the Reaper fleet jumps in, and they outnumber them several times over. Their is a moment of pure despair, and the Reapers tell the humans to surrender. Their is silence, then Shephard steps forward, and tells them to shove it with some extremely elegant rousing speech (Im thinking kinda like Sheridan in B5 at the final battle with the shadows)
The fight begins, and just as they are about to lose, Shepard pulls some Dues Ex Machina out of his ass. (I've pretty much resigned myself to that, so I wont feel particularly cheated when it happens.)
The fight begins, and just as they are about to lose, Shepard pulls some Dues Ex Machina out of his ass. (I've pretty much resigned myself to that, so I wont feel particularly cheated when it happens.)
An ending (well, overall plot) that I could see happening:
The Reapers concentrate on the human race first, deciding the that species that took down one of their own has the most potential. As the vast bulk of the Reaper Armada surrounds Earth (you need a LOT of ships to effectively blockade a planet) in order to harvest the highest number of humans possible in the shortest amount of time, Shepard learns that the sun in the Dholen system (the system where you recruit Tali in ME2) was burning out due to the Geth testing a doomsday weapon, and that they've perfected the weapon so that it can cause an instant supernova.
The Council, discovers this, and decides to cause the Earth's sun to go supernova in order to destroy the bulk of the Reapers in one blow, infuriating the Illusive Man, both because they're throwing humanity to the curb to save their own skins, and because their inaction prevented even the possibility of an organized defense, despite Shepard, Anderson and Cerberus repeatedly warning them. Shepard then has to race against both agents of the Reapers AND the Council (including SpecTRes) to acquire the doomsday devices from the Geth, since the Council won't trust a human SpecTRe associated with Cerberus to go along with their plan.
Once acquired, Shepard then has to decide to either sacrifice Earth as the Council planned, in order to end the war in a single stroke but sacrificing the bulk of humanity, or threaten the homeworlds of the Council races in order to coerce them into sending their fleets to confront the Reapers. If he chooses to sacrifice Earth, he loses the loyalty of the Cerberus operatives (and has to fight them). If he chooses to threaten the Council worlds, he loses any teammates from Council races and has to fight them.
In either event, a key part of the strategy against the Reapers will be the discovery that they possess a Mass Effect device that prevents ships from using FTL drives. Shepard and his remaining teammates get aboard a Reaper and sabotage it so that it prevents FTL drives from functioning (preventing the Reapers from scattering and regrouping later).
If Earth is sacrificed, the rest of the Galaxy is largely unscathed, but humanity's fate will depend largely on choices made during the game (for example, the Turian/Salarian/Asari Councilors might try to force humanity off the Council due to their weakened state, but the Geth could then show up with an armada and proclaim that humans are their buddies, and Geth don't LIKE it when you push their friends around ...).
If Earth is saved, the Galaxy is devastated by the war, and everybody has to try and rebuild, and the balance of power is changed in the Galaxy, depending on choices made during the game.
The Reapers concentrate on the human race first, deciding the that species that took down one of their own has the most potential. As the vast bulk of the Reaper Armada surrounds Earth (you need a LOT of ships to effectively blockade a planet) in order to harvest the highest number of humans possible in the shortest amount of time, Shepard learns that the sun in the Dholen system (the system where you recruit Tali in ME2) was burning out due to the Geth testing a doomsday weapon, and that they've perfected the weapon so that it can cause an instant supernova.
The Council, discovers this, and decides to cause the Earth's sun to go supernova in order to destroy the bulk of the Reapers in one blow, infuriating the Illusive Man, both because they're throwing humanity to the curb to save their own skins, and because their inaction prevented even the possibility of an organized defense, despite Shepard, Anderson and Cerberus repeatedly warning them. Shepard then has to race against both agents of the Reapers AND the Council (including SpecTRes) to acquire the doomsday devices from the Geth, since the Council won't trust a human SpecTRe associated with Cerberus to go along with their plan.
Once acquired, Shepard then has to decide to either sacrifice Earth as the Council planned, in order to end the war in a single stroke but sacrificing the bulk of humanity, or threaten the homeworlds of the Council races in order to coerce them into sending their fleets to confront the Reapers. If he chooses to sacrifice Earth, he loses the loyalty of the Cerberus operatives (and has to fight them). If he chooses to threaten the Council worlds, he loses any teammates from Council races and has to fight them.
In either event, a key part of the strategy against the Reapers will be the discovery that they possess a Mass Effect device that prevents ships from using FTL drives. Shepard and his remaining teammates get aboard a Reaper and sabotage it so that it prevents FTL drives from functioning (preventing the Reapers from scattering and regrouping later).
If Earth is sacrificed, the rest of the Galaxy is largely unscathed, but humanity's fate will depend largely on choices made during the game (for example, the Turian/Salarian/Asari Councilors might try to force humanity off the Council due to their weakened state, but the Geth could then show up with an armada and proclaim that humans are their buddies, and Geth don't LIKE it when you push their friends around ...).
If Earth is saved, the Galaxy is devastated by the war, and everybody has to try and rebuild, and the balance of power is changed in the Galaxy, depending on choices made during the game.
I want to see Earth die. I want the galaxy to survive, but Earth to die. It's give the humans some galactic trauma that the other species can sympathize with, primarily the Quarians (losing the homeworld).