Thunderous Cacophony said:
Loonyyy said:
Did you follow the link @L3D posted, about how the service will affect current channels?
Youtube is twisting the arm of content providers by promising to block ALL THEIR VIDEOS from the public if they want to monetize without using the Red service (i.e. stick with just the ad-based model, voluntarily giving up any subscription fees). They are forcing channels to accept the deal or be cut off from their audience. And while they say it will provide a more steady revenue stream for the creators, there's no indication of what they stream would be. Currently Youtube only lets them keep 55% of money the ads generate, well behind the industry average of 70%.
That's some extra information. Yeah, ok, that's kind of unfair. That said-it's for partners, people who are making money off their ads on videos. I would expect that to have an no ad feature for the site, you'd need everyone who puts ads on videos on board. I'm not sure why I'm meant to be annoyed that they're being "strongarmed".
I don't see what they lose from the deal, to be frank. So long as they're getting at least the cut they're getting. If someone points out that they're getting shafted on their earnings, I'll get my pitchfork. Until then, it's business as usual.
And that pay gap would be a far better reason to be annoyed, but I'm curious as to where exactly that comes from. EDIT: It looks like a spitball from the TechCrunch article, but that's not an average, nor is it particularly comparable.
I have no problem getting a subscription to The Escapist, Rooster Teeth, Something Awful, or any other specific site where I know the people who make what I like are directly receiving the money I'm giving them. Similarly, I don't mind paying for a subscription service like Netflix where they use the money to license a bunch of content, and also make their own. However, I don't want to write a check every month knowing half of it goes to a megacorporation who is strong-arming content creators into accepting the deal and setting up a two-tiered system where you still have to pay either way (either direct payments or through ads) but content is blocked off unless you pay the 'correct' way, and it's not at all clear whether other channels will be expected to also provide exclusive content down the line to maintain their Red status.
I disagree. On the user's end (Which is where the complaints I was addressing were), it's the same. And I'm honestly perturbed by the attitude I see around here. And I don't really view it as strong-arming either-if you want ads, you'll need to agree to Red, because that involves ads. You can still upload, you need to accept Red to monetize. That makes sense.
At the moment, there already is a that system, you're just stuck in the bottom tier, the shit tier, watching ads. They haven't made that worse (Apart from going after Adblock, which you shouldn't be using, and shouldn't enter into discussion).
I don't think there's any particular reason to speculate that channels will be required to make exclusive content-I suspect that Google wants that content to incentivise their service. I would expect that they're probably being incentivised by Google to do so. There are so many YouTube channels, I doubt that Google is going to want regular, exclusive content from all of them. And again, I'm not going to lose any sleep over missing a Youtube video or two. There are fucking millions of them. I'll miss a collegehumor skit, I do it all the time. I'll miss something Roosterteeth does, whoop. I'll miss a Pewdiepie video, lord save me, I think I shall live.
If we want to talk giving money to megacorporations for profit, might I point out that SOPA was in great part, the work of the MPAA, and they're making money from all of us as we speak. I just don't think that's a part of people's motivation and thinking process at all.
EDIT: Just looked at the
Originals line-up. I don't know most of the companies, so I can't say for sure, but I know that the Lazer Team movie being offered by Rooster Teeth wasn't created specifically for Red; it was crowd-funded, produced, currently on the film festival circuit and they were looking for distributors. I'm greatly annoyed that they went with Red, as that service is only being offered in the U.S. starting in late October, and with no announced plans about international rollout, and I'm damn sure that Google set up deals so that they couldn't distribute it through other channels. Instead of spreading videos to more people, Red separates them based on national barriers that shouldn't exist on the internet.
Yeah, that is a dick move. From Roosterteeth. They went and crowdfunded a movie, and then they decided to sell it as exclusive content on Red. I'll put it right next to Zack Braff crowdfunding his godawful movies and then selling them.
Looking at this list I note a few things:
-Nothing I want to watch is on there
-Google is actually funding content
-This directly flies in the face of the "They're might just take videos away".
-From the executive producers of-Don't make me fucking laugh.
They're actually making movies, and serieses out of things, so it's not even going to be that I'm missing anything, I'm not going to miss a "premium" episode of something and wonder what the fuck happened. So even that little slippery slope isn't the case.