YouTube: Universal Music Abused the System

[The Virgo]

This reminds me of when that guy posted the video of that homeless man with the golden voice and then, when he became famous, his video ... THE ORIGINAL FUCKING VIDEO ... got content blocked because some greedy fucking company decided to claim that as theirs.

I'm interested to see how this is going to play out, though. Then again, when lawyers get involved, it's never a pretty (or even ethical) sight.

 

[Slycne]

Apparently I know nothing about this, but can someone explain to me how someone other than YouTube can take a video down from YouTube?

Anyway, it's obvious that Universal is abusing the power they apparently have, so I hope they lose.

From what I understand from our own dealings and use of the system: the way it works is that if you're a verified Youtube account you can make claims against other videos and they are taking down immediately. The burden of proof is on the uploader to prove to Youtube that they own or have proper rights to use the included material. This, in theory, frees up a lot of burden from needing to open legal preceding or by hand review every single claim.

 

[Jack Rascal]

That ad was the most obnoxious one I've seen in a long time. Honestly, I made it to 1:17 before I wanted to simultaneously pull my hair out of my skull. Those annoying voices crooning "MMMEEGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAA UUUUUUPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDD" grate hard. I'm never using MU again. Who the hell thought that ad was a good idea?

Dear god, I only made it to 00:25. That thing almost made my ears bleed. And to think they paid $3 million to produce that... Unbelievable.

I don't know anything about this case, I'm not on either side, but I do think the world would be a better place if that ad was never shown again.

 

[Slayer_2]

That ad was the most obnoxious one I've seen in a long time. Honestly, I made it to 1:17 before I wanted to simultaneously pull my hair out of my skull. Those annoying voices crooning "MMMEEGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAA UUUUUUPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDD" grate hard. I'm never using MU again. Who the hell thought that ad was a good idea?

Dear god, I only made it to 00:25. That thing almost made my ears bleed. And to think they paid $3 million to produce that... Unbelievable.

I don't know anything about this case, I'm not on either side, but I do think the world would be a better place if that ad was never shown again.

You think the 3 mil could be used for something productive, instead of for making such a horrible film. Isn't advertising great?

 

[ThunderCavalier]

Whoa whoa whoa, hold the phone...did Youtube actually develop a SPINE?! When the hell did this happen?!

I was just as shocked as you were.

Maybe YouTube will slowly gain back some of my respect if it finally tells people, "Hey, you know what? Actually show us some damn copyright infringement before you tell us to take down videos!"

 

[CardinalPiggles]

I'm never using MU again.

Seems a bit drastic because of one Ad you don't have to watch again regardless of usage.

Usually they just bend over for the corporation and take it. Then they proceed to bend the community over and pass along the present.

Thanks for putting those thoughts into my head, I really needed that friend.

 

[Something Amyss]

Universal has previously argued that YouTube video takedowns do come under the purview of the DMCA, and, because of that, it doesn't have to consider "fair-use" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use] doctrine when taking down videos such as this one. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KfJHFWlhQ&feature=player_embedded]

Oh Universal, you cheeky bastards. Arguing on whichever side is convenient.

 

[RanD00M]

While I do think that UMG is in the wrong here, getting that MG ad everything I download something from there is kinda annoying. Why are you advertising yourself AFTER I started downloading something from you? That makes no fucking sense.

Anyway, I hope UMG gets its ass handed to it in court. Nothing more to say on the issue.

 

[RatRace123]

I think UMG deserves a little more than a savage finger wagging.

They've bullied people to get their way and get videos pulled before, it's time someone bullies them back.

I hope they get what they deserve in court.

 

[Slayer_2]

Seems a bit drastic because of one Ad you don't have to watch again regardless of usage.

But... watch it. The whole thing. I'd be amazed if you could do it. Besides which, I never use MU, and this ad is not a good reason to start. It's a bunch of flashy graphics with some "popular" music "artists" singing its name. Oh, and it has lots of users. Tight.

Thanks for putting those thoughts into my head, I really needed that friend.

You're welcome.

 

[Draconalis]

And people think America's a democracy...

People that think that would be wrong. America is a Republic.


OT that's not really OT:

Signed the SOPA petition. Going back to sleep now.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

But... watch it. The whole thing. I'd be amazed if you could do it. Besides which, I never use MU, and this ad is not a good reason to start. It's a bunch of flashy graphics with some "popular" music "artists" singing its name. Oh, and it has lots of users. Tight.

I did watch the whole thing, the first time it was displayed on this website, and even though I thought it was a piece of donkey bollocks drippings, I won't stop me from using their service.

But now I realise you don't use MU anyway, I can understand where you were coming from.

 

[Slayer_2]

But... watch it. The whole thing. I'd be amazed if you could do it. Besides which, I never use MU, and this ad is not a good reason to start. It's a bunch of flashy graphics with some "popular" music "artists" singing its name. Oh, and it has lots of users. Tight.

I did watch the whole thing, the first time it was displayed on this website, and even though I thought it was a piece of donkey bollocks drippings, I won't stop me from using their service.

But now I realise you don't use MU anyway, I can understand where you were coming from.

Yeah... pretty sure advertising is to ATTRACT potential customers, not to scare them off.

 

[Strazdas]

Never mind. Watch the video anyway.

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just the thing i wanted to post

 

[Double A]

Hope they get what's coming to them.

Indeed. SOPA would allow them to do this crap to entire websites.

Because piracy.

And (most of) Congress doesn't seem to even want to care to understand the bill. Because "they're no nerds and there's no reason to bring in the nerds to explain it" (actual god damn quote).

Source?

Not because I don't believe you, but because I want to endlessly mock that Congressman.

 

[Irridium]

Hope they get what's coming to them.

Indeed. SOPA would allow them to do this crap to entire websites.

Because piracy.

And (most of) Congress doesn't seem to even want to care to understand the bill. Because "they're no nerds and there's no reason to bring in the nerds to explain it" (actual god damn quote).

Source?

Not because I don't believe you, but because I want to endlessly mock that Congressman.

Right here [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/the-nightmarish-sopa-hearings/2011/12/15/gIQA47RUwO_blog.html]. It was said by a number of congressmen actually. And most seemed pretty happy with not understanding this thing.

 

[jthwilliams]

It appears I've been misinformed. Most of those companies aren't actually backing the bill. Sorry. Also, yay!

http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf

Cool, thanks for the correction.

As for Google fighting this bill, that's not a surprise for them. They've always been one of the single biggest supporters of a free and open internet, despite the fact that they could probably gain the most from locking things down a lot of the time. No other company really has the amount of power they do over the internet.

Don't think google is an angel here. They make a whole lot of money through questionable use of other people's IP. Google is arguable the most successful pirate company in the world. they definately do not want stronger copyright laws.

In case you are wondering how Google has used or taken other people's IP
* They create archives of websites without the owner's permissions
* They create archives of books without the owner's permission
* They pull RSS feeds from multiple news companies and present them as a fetaure of their website without the copyright owner's permission
* youtube (I realize they didn't event it, but they sure as hell proffit from the abuse of copyright)


Also, they have a reputation of being abusive of both the court and any one who sues them over ligitimate concerns that google makes vast amounts of money by taking copyright material from others putting a different interface around it and then selling advertisement space. (Again without the permission from the people who own the content). They aren't the only company that does this, but they are by far the one who is most successful at it.

 

[Jack Rascal]

That ad was the most obnoxious one I've seen in a long time. Honestly, I made it to 1:17 before I wanted to simultaneously pull my hair out of my skull. Those annoying voices crooning "MMMEEGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAA UUUUUUPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDD" grate hard. I'm never using MU again. Who the hell thought that ad was a good idea?

Dear god, I only made it to 00:25. That thing almost made my ears bleed. And to think they paid $3 million to produce that... Unbelievable.

I don't know anything about this case, I'm not on either side, but I do think the world would be a better place if that ad was never shown again.

You think the 3 mil could be used for something productive, instead of for making such a horrible film. Isn't advertising great?

Ads are great, but I wish only funny ads were allowed to air. Like this little gem:


But ads are supposed to attract customers (as you said as well Slayer). I am positive that based on that 25 seconds I managed to watch the MU video I will never enter that site. Ever.