...is ironical, yes. YES.JoJo said:I don't deny it's probably a reasonable game, however Artic Eagle's post is
...is ironical, yes. YES.JoJo said:I don't deny it's probably a reasonable game, however Artic Eagle's post is
A fanboy of what? If you can answer me that I may be able to respond. I was not defending Yahtzee, I was pointing out that he is not supposed to be taken seriously. It is not his intention, and so people doing so are missing the point.Nazulu said:Mr. Objective argument and his blanket statements, gotta love 'em. I can make one, you're a fan boy that is deeply wounded and is now making a completely biased response because of all the pain. Of couse I'm not going to listen to what you say because any one against Yahtzee has his head up his ass. Do you find it annoying? Because I sure do.Legion said:To be fair, it says more about the audience than him. He talks crap all the time, it's a part of his videos. He goes over the top and often says things that are clearly untrue.GunsmithKitten said:You know, I really loathe playing this card, but I can't imagine anyone else being allowed to get away with as much bigotry and ignorance on world affairs as Croshow does. Even discounting the "White people and Americans all suck" lines (which are bad enough), his ignorance about Nicaraguan resistence groups and the shit they do TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE is pathetic.
But hey, I guess you can still get called insightful and funny when you're a funny talker with a British accent despite displaying such ignorance.
Then people take him seriously, and that's where the problems come in. Yahtzee is not a politics reviewer, he is not even a games reviewer. He makes videos picking holes in games for the purpose of satire, he is not normally serious and is very rarely accurate.
The people who call him funny are obviously giving subjective opinions. The people calling him insightful are generally either suck ups, missing the point or both. Take everything he says as a rant meant for amusement rather than a genuine opinion, and it isn't really an issue.
Making these assumptions makes you just as immature as Yahtzee. Or are you just looking for a fight?
Legion said:I didn't expect such a neutral response from you.Nazulu said:A fanboy of what? If you can answer me that I may be able to respond. I was not defending Yahtzee, I was pointing out that he is not supposed to be taken seriously. It is not his intention, and so people doing so are missing the point.
Just like all of those racist, sexist, ignorant comedians. Who are actually none of those things because they are telling jokes and trying to get a laugh, not making serious points.
I am not sure what fight I am supposedly picking (genuinely, I actually cannot see what I said that would be offensive except the suck up part perhaps).
What difference does it make if I get it right or wrong that you're a fan boy of? I don't even know what you're interests are. I'm just making an assumption like you did about Yahtzee's fans so you know what it's like.
Also, I know very well you're not defending Yahtzee, especially saying he's not even a reviewer. I don't mean to preach, but I can't help myself. I find most reviewers can't even review properly, just saying a story is good with out going into detail at all. However, I later found out all these reviewers have their strengths and appeal to certain people. This is Yahtzee's site so obviously your going to be seeing a lot of people agreeing with him because they have a similar opinion as him. I couldn't care less that you don't consider him a real reviewer. If you find him full of shit, fair enough.
I agree that no one should take him too seriously (at least a little to make a good argument), but he does press the right buttons when making blanket statements himself, so I don't blame people when they get pissed off. That's what he's trying to do I'm very sure, I'm very sure that's his intention because he shows no subtlety.
Nazulu said:While I do not find any faults in what you are saying, I am still not entirely sure what annoyed you about my first post. That I criticised people for being annoyed with Yahtzee? Or those that agree with him? That I did so with such a generalisation?Legion said:I didn't expect such a neutral response from you.Nazulu said:A fanboy of what? If you can answer me that I may be able to respond. I was not defending Yahtzee, I was pointing out that he is not supposed to be taken seriously. It is not his intention, and so people doing so are missing the point.
Just like all of those racist, sexist, ignorant comedians. Who are actually none of those things because they are telling jokes and trying to get a laugh, not making serious points.
I am not sure what fight I am supposedly picking (genuinely, I actually cannot see what I said that would be offensive except the suck up part perhaps).
What difference does it make if I get it right or wrong that you're a fan boy of? I don't even know what you're interests are. I'm just making an assumption like you did about Yahtzee's fans so you know what it's like.
Also, I know very well you're not defending Yahtzee, especially saying he's not even a reviewer. I don't mean to preach, but I can't help myself. I find most reviewers can't even review properly, just saying a story is good with out going into detail at all. However, I later found out all these reviewers have their strengths and appeal to certain people. This is Yahtzee's site so obviously your going to be seeing a lot of people agreeing with him because they have a similar opinion as him. I couldn't care less that you don't consider him a real reviewer. If you find him full of shit, fair enough.
I agree that no one should take him too seriously (at least a little to make a good argument), but he does press the right buttons when making blanket statements himself, so I don't blame people when they get pissed off. That's what he's trying to do I'm very sure, I'm very sure that's his intention because he shows no subtlety.
Honestly, I don't actually know.
Doesn't work. I know, I've seen it lots of times. Of course you should still encourage thoughtful debate though.erttheking said:Guys seriously this is getting out of hand. I mean come on, is this really accomplishing anything? This isn't a insightful debate, this is one side going "f@#$ you" and the other side also going "f@#$ you". This is accomplishing NOTHING! Come on! You're not trying to debate respectfully to change the other person's opinion, you're telling the other person that their opinion is stupid and that they're stupid for thinking it. You're just trying to insult each other now. It's just...pointless and does nothing but stir anger and hatred, and IMHO we already have more than enough of that to go around on this website. Come on guys. Let it go.
Legion said:That you criticised people for agreeing with Yahtzee.Nazulu said:While I do not find any faults in what you are saying, I am still not entirely sure what annoyed you about my first post. That I criticised people for being annoyed with Yahtzee? Or those that agree with him? That I did so with such a generalisation?Legion said:I didn't expect such a neutral response from you.Nazulu said:A fanboy of what? If you can answer me that I may be able to respond. I was not defending Yahtzee, I was pointing out that he is not supposed to be taken seriously. It is not his intention, and so people doing so are missing the point.
Just like all of those racist, sexist, ignorant comedians. Who are actually none of those things because they are telling jokes and trying to get a laugh, not making serious points.
I am not sure what fight I am supposedly picking (genuinely, I actually cannot see what I said that would be offensive except the suck up part perhaps).
What difference does it make if I get it right or wrong that you're a fan boy of? I don't even know what you're interests are. I'm just making an assumption like you did about Yahtzee's fans so you know what it's like.
Also, I know very well you're not defending Yahtzee, especially saying he's not even a reviewer. I don't mean to preach, but I can't help myself. I find most reviewers can't even review properly, just saying a story is good with out going into detail at all. However, I later found out all these reviewers have their strengths and appeal to certain people. This is Yahtzee's site so obviously your going to be seeing a lot of people agreeing with him because they have a similar opinion as him. I couldn't care less that you don't consider him a real reviewer. If you find him full of shit, fair enough.
I agree that no one should take him too seriously (at least a little to make a good argument), but he does press the right buttons when making blanket statements himself, so I don't blame people when they get pissed off. That's what he's trying to do I'm very sure, I'm very sure that's his intention because he shows no subtlety.
Honestly, I don't actually know.
"The people calling him insightful are generally either suck ups, missing the point or both."
Must mean nothing to you, but I have to tell you that it's pretty damn aggresive. It's like when people say that I'm blinded by nostalgia because I prefer some older games. They're calling me ignorant and a waste of time. I usually ignore it but I reckon you're better than that.
"The people who call him funny are obviously giving subjective opinions."
And just to make sure I don't make another assumption. Do you mean the people calling him funny are the 'only' ones with subjective opinions? It's pretty suspicious mate.
Really dude? I spotted that one coming a mile away. Literally as soon as you lost contact with him.Assassin Xaero said:I didn't know who it was with the bag over their head...
I knew it wasn't who they said it was, but I thought the guy you shot was still following me, or at least somewhere around me. I did zone out a bit while playing that level.
I did not (intentionally) criticise those agreeing with him. I said people saying he was insightful are missing the point because he is not really trying to be. When he is talking about the game being about racist white people, he is not actually making a thought provoking point about the racist video game creators, he is making a joke. He is not providing insight into the industry or games, he is taking a point and exaggerating it for comic effect.Nazulu said:That you criticised people for agreeing with Yahtzee.
"The people calling him insightful are generally either suck ups, missing the point or both."
Must mean nothing to you, but I have to tell you that it's pretty damn aggresive. It's like when people say that I'm blinded by nostalgia because I prefer some older games. They're calling me ignorant and a waste of time. I usually ignore it but I reckon you're better than that.
"The people who call him funny are obviously giving subjective opinions."
And just to make sure I don't make another assumption. Do you mean the people calling him funny are the 'only' ones with subjective opinions? It's pretty suspicious mate.
See, I never even realized you lost contact with him. Like I said, I did kinda zone out a bit that level.Techno Squidgy said:Really dude? I spotted that one coming a mile away. Literally as soon as you lost contact with him.Assassin Xaero said:I didn't know who it was with the bag over their head...
I knew it wasn't who they said it was, but I thought the guy you shot was still following me, or at least somewhere around me. I did zone out a bit while playing that level.
Like I said before, a lot of people do believe he is being insightful, and possibly Yahtzee believes in his reviews as well. So they can't help but take it seriously. It seems your intentions are good, but others will disagree and even look down on it. I'm just saying 'you're not supposed to not take it seriously' may not be enough for most.Legion said:I did not (intentionally) criticise those agreeing with him. I said people saying he was insightful are missing the point because he is not really trying to be. When he is talking about the game being about racist white people, he is not actually making a thought provoking point about the racist video game creators, he is making a joke. He is not providing insight into the industry or games, he is taking a point and exaggerating it for comic effect.Nazulu said:That you criticised people for agreeing with Yahtzee.
"The people calling him insightful are generally either suck ups, missing the point or both."
Must mean nothing to you, but I have to tell you that it's pretty damn aggresive. It's like when people say that I'm blinded by nostalgia because I prefer some older games. They're calling me ignorant and a waste of time. I usually ignore it but I reckon you're better than that.
"The people who call him funny are obviously giving subjective opinions."
And just to make sure I don't make another assumption. Do you mean the people calling him funny are the 'only' ones with subjective opinions? It's pretty suspicious mate.
Like when a comedian says "You ever notice how white people do X?" Okay, some white people may do whatever they say next, but they are not making a social commentary, they are making a joke. It may ring true in some cases, but it's not their intent for you to walk away taking it seriously. If I then after seeing that, went out and tried convincing people that white people do X because I saw the comedian saying it, I'd be missing the point.
In regards to the second part. Not at all. What I mean was that saying he is funny is subjective, nobody can claim that he is objectively funny, so if people see his jokes about racist white developers and do not find it funny, people cannot criticise them for it.
Whereas those saying he is making a valid point about the racism in the game, I feel can be criticised for taking him too seriously. As he is not really supposed to be taken seriously.
The principal of the Heartbeat sensor is here with the MMS in a different from, though. Trophy system actually exists (but isn't man-portable yet) though is present in Black Ops 2 as equipment.Akalabeth said:Dude they already got like Heartbeat sensors, Trophy systems and other magical whizbang tech in COD. Howabout a railgun or something as a sniper rifle? Or even just some sleeker looking guns. Don't need laser or plasma tech, just some evolution of what there is.
Or gyro jet guns (rocket-propelled rounds). Fletchette guns? (guns which fire a bunch of slivers in a spray like an SMG/shotgun hybrid).
Look at the rockets. Same SMAW, RPG and AA lock-on only guns.
Or whatabout even just some interesting toys to actually add? Same UAVs, CUAVs, RCXs, choppers, Reapers, attack dogs. Heck the little robot was already in MW3. Just has a new skin. What's new? The guardian and drone? And why when I hack a turret or guardian do I not take control of it?
I you can't tell the difference between white people being subtly or overtly mocked for the way that white people act and actual discrimination then you deserve to mocked for the way you act.Wombok said:I see Yahtzee has bought into the "white privilege" bullshit.
And apparently any racism directed at myself is completely ok because I happen to share similar levels of melanin to a group of dead people whom I have no direct connection to.
Well fuck you Yahtzee, you racist ****.
I would not be quite so upset with Yahtzee if I thought for just one damn second that he actually gave two bits of a shit about the depiction of beige-colored foreigners in modern FPS games. I'm not exactly sure what brought the issue to a boil but I've noticed that sometime in the last six months all the British gamers must have decided to get together for tea, crumpets and setting their agenda to, 'Fuck anything to do with American jingoism.'nobodysoldier25 said:Second, I've never seen so many people get so defensive over almost nothing. Yahtzee calls white people privileged, and then there's this whole backlash of white guilt nonsense. Anyone that felt the need to comment negatively about that is probably the exact kind of person he's assuming this game is for.
You mean he should stop reviewing military FPS's with shitty stories. Why would he stop reviewing the other ones?CrunkParty said:Yahtzee really needs to stop reviewing FPSs because it's really getting embarrassing for him.
He went into an ideological allergic reaction followed by a reboot of his politics subsystem, spouting out half-arsed nonsense and a mouthful of the current stance du jour.ARCTIC_EAGLE said:Wow, worst review EVER! Any professional review would give this game, the most amazing in history, a 90-100 or 4/5. Every single part of this game is new and interesting and amazing, you're inability to recognize that demonstrates how bad you are at reviewing. When COD:B03 comes out in 2 years you can correct you mistake by giving it a 90-100 like every other reviewer will. Be sure to do the same for COD:MW4, COD:MW5, COD:BO4, COD:MW6, etc. They will ALL be amazing and look amazing and just be more amazing then the amazingly amazing game that came before. In fact they'll be so amazing they'll amaze you into an amazement coma of amazement.