Zero Punctuation: Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

altereggo

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I'm finished with this. You're not even reading my posts, are you?

Yes, political elites benefit from being able to pass ridiculous laws without being questioned. They benefit from getting control over big chunks of taxpayer money that they can dole out to political supporters and poor dependent voters, just like they have done ever since politics was invented. No, they don't really care about solving the actual problems.

When people start asking questions like "how is that $54,000,000 for 'violence prevention in Chicago' actually being spent?", it's easy to accuse them of wanting black people dead to deflect their question. After all, you can't say "I blew the cash handing out jobs and gifts to win me my last election", can you?
Just like it's easy to attack people who question insane spending on military contractors by yelling "well, obviously you're on the terrorists' side! U dern't suppert ur trups!". Because saying "Lockheed Martin will put me on their board of directors when I quit politics" sounds pretty bad.

Guilt and accusations of guilt-by-association are useful political weapons, and always have been. End of story.
We're done. Let's get back to gaming. I still haven't finished X-COM '94.
 

Jakub324

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Muspelheim said:
Do I get to obliterate tiny grey specks that can't shoot back from a flying robot again, by any chance?
Need I remind you, sir, that while the enemy couldn't shoot back, they could shoot the people you were protecting, causing you to fail the mission? I know I failed that section 15-20 times on Veteran difficulty. And why doesn't the original Modern Warfare ever get called out on its own (significantly easier) AC-130 section?
 

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I am a white male. Can someone please let me know what the fuck I can do to end the centuries of hate, slavery, and oppression? Oh wait, maybe I should just feel really bad, then slit my wrists so the ratio (white fucks:all the other fucks) can be a little more even. Well, I'm off... wish me luck...
 

oszarse

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I am a white male. Can someone please let me know what the fuck I can do to end the centuries of hate, slavery, and oppression? Oh wait, maybe I should just feel really bad, then slit my wrists so the ratio (white fucks:all the other fucks) can be a little more even. Well, I'm off... wish me luck...
 

Machine Man 1992

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Machine Man 1992 said:
You're trying to scrutinize angry ranting made in the middle of the night from someone who has completely stopped giving a shit about what some punk-tard on the intertubes says.

This is not a fight you're going to win.
so essentially you admit it was bullshit?
Honestly, I'm surprised it took you this long to figure it out.

YES. It was bullshit. I was irritated by everyone in this thread and I was venting.
 

Atmos Duality

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The raging idiocy in this topic has gone beyond critical mass, and it's only because it's published content that the comments haven't been mod-locked.
 

Raesvelg

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Much like in BlOps 1 the protagonists are the sort of people who were probably actively engineering the sale of cocaine and heroin to sponsor anticommunist activity. But no. In COD world Americans don't do that sort of thing.
Technically, they didn't do it in the whole Iran-Contra mess either. They sold weapons to Iran at a markup, and took that markup and funneled it to the Contras who used it to buy weapons.

The other complication was using arms sales to Iran as a means of getting hostages released in the Middle East.

Yes, the Contras were funded by drug running, and the US did give them money seized from drug dealers, but active facilitation by the United States was... difficult to prove.

And it's not like the Sandinistas were a pack of angels themselves. Thousands of people murdered, vanished, or tortured to support the Revolution doesn't exactly leave me sympathetic to their cause. We had no business supporting the Contras, of course, who were mostly a pack of disaffected thugs from the former regime (at least initially), but there was that all-pervasive fear of the Domino Effect still lingering in those days.

Then again, given the current situation in South America, maybe they were on to something...
 

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ImmortalDrifter said:
LiquidGrape said:
In 2011, 41.6% of those who were stopped and frisked by police in New York City were men of colour [http://www.nyclu.org/node/1598], in spite of the fact that they only make up about 4.7% of the NYC population. At the same time, a mere 11% of stops and frisks [http://www.nyclu.org/node/1598] were based on an actual description of a suspect, and 9/10 people stopped were found completely innocent [http://www.nyclu.org/files/stopandfrisk-factsheet.pdf] of any actual crime.

I would absolutely argue that race remains the single most pervasive issue in the US.
What version of the U.S. do you live in? Minorities make up about 65% of NYC's population according to 2010 census data. White people have been in the minority there since 1991! Honestly, since when has New York or the NYPD been a representative of the U.S. as a whole? Would it be fair of me to make judgements about the whole of Australia based on Michael Atkinson?
Read: men of colour. It is that demographic which is targeted specifically.
And no, NYC can't exactly be held as singular representation of the U.S cultural climate. But it concerns a vast amount of people, and I'd say it's a fairly clear indictment of institutionalised racism at work.

Anyway, just wanted to clarify that. I'm steering clear of this thread, it has become something...scary.
 

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Fun review.

There is no such thing as ethnic responsibility, ethnic guilt, or ethnic justice.

The end.
 

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Raesvelg said:
TAdamson said:
Much like in BlOps 1 the protagonists are the sort of people who were probably actively engineering the sale of cocaine and heroin to sponsor anticommunist activity. But no. In COD world Americans don't do that sort of thing.
Technically, they didn't do it in the whole Iran-Contra mess either. They sold weapons to Iran at a markup, and took that markup and funneled it to the Contras who used it to buy weapons.

The other complication was using arms sales to Iran as a means of getting hostages released in the Middle East.

Yes, the Contras were funded by drug running, and the US did give them money seized from drug dealers, but active facilitation by the United States was... difficult to prove.

And it's not like the Sandinistas were a pack of angels themselves. Thousands of people murdered, vanished, or tortured to support the Revolution doesn't exactly leave me sympathetic to their cause. We had no business supporting the Contras, of course, who were mostly a pack of disaffected thugs from the former regime (at least initially), but there was that all-pervasive fear of the Domino Effect still lingering in those days.

Then again, given the current situation in South America, maybe they were on to something...
Regardless this game treats the whole situation fairly flippantly. It's either revisionism or cowardice.

And what do you mean "the current situation in South America"? The only countries that haven't improved from that period are Venezuela and Cuba.
 

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You're statistically more likely to roll up terrible stats, but the silver lining is that you get a totally sweet henchman called the 'white-guilt leftie'.
If the concept of "white guilt" wasn't invented by those-who-oppose-reform then they wouldn't have made a wrong move in inventing the term.

The term "white guilt" is such a hyperbole, such an over-reaction that it derails any discussion about righting wrongs to finger pointing of making an utterly spurious straw-man argument that every individual of a race has personal responsibility for the outcome, that is what guilt means. Being found guilty of murder means you are the murderer. But obviously every single white person today didn't deliberately sabotage all the unfortunate non-white's lives.

Why bring in crap like guilt? Why tie it to a race? In fact I struggle to think of progressives or campaigners against Poverty ever use the term "white guilt"... it's more often an exaggeration term used by those who oppose such aid measures.

Here's a better concept to run with: Human Empathy.

That's a reason to help people, feeling and relating to their suffering and wanting to help them regardless of how you might have caused it. Empathy is not the same as guilt. Seeing a child drowning, empathy may spur you to help the child, but you aren't necessarily guilty of them drowning in the first place.

"White guilt" I think is mostly a straw man argument... and I think it should only be used as Paradoxrifts uses it, as a joke.
 

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TAdamson said:
And what do you mean "the current situation in South America"? The only countries that haven't improved from that period are Venezuela and Cuba.
There's been an increasing trend towards socialism in South America of late, if you haven't noticed. It provides a lot of opportunities to... well... buy votes in what are hypothetically democratic governments. Which is more or less what happened in Greece, oddly enough.

So Bolivia, for example, which courted foreign investment into what were previously state-controlled industries in the '90s, is now beginning to re-nationalize those industries (now that they've been built up through foreign investment, of course).

Mostly you can look to Venezuela, specifically Hugo Chavez, as the primary agitator towards increased socialism in South America. It's an odd vindication of the "Domino Theory", in its own way.

And we're more than a little off-topic at this point lol.
 

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Treblaine said:
Because whether you like it or not, and whether you choose to accept it or not altruism and guilt are like inseparable conjoined twins. So putting your hands up over your ears while humming loudly and pretending otherwise changes nothing, which if I remember correctly was pretty much your response last time we argued over abortion.

So please understand this.

Your selective interpretation of 'Human Empathy'? Fuck that. It is a bad joke.

You have made it abundantly clear both now and prior that your understanding of 'human empathy' drops off the face of the Earth whenever it is time to show white, heterosexual males some of your precious empathy. Your conceptualisation of 'human empathy' is exactly like social security. You expect me to pay into it and help make it work, but it's never around when I'm the one in trouble and need a hand because there will always be someone else who is more deserving of help than I.

This all comes down to where you are in the world and how that effects your perspective. You'll find a lot of the people here against racial quotas, affirmative action and other racist policies come from working-class backgrounds and were raised by parents treading water just north of the poverty line. I still remember my stories told to me by my Aunt of when as children they had to fish for their own supper using bait made up of flour and water or hungry. After the plutocracy pads it's own nest with employment opportunities there are precious few rungs left on the socioeconomic ladder to hold onto without having some of them be arbitrarily given away through government decree.
 

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Raesvelg said:
TAdamson said:
And what do you mean "the current situation in South America"? The only countries that haven't improved from that period are Venezuela and Cuba.
There's been an increasing trend towards socialism in South America of late, if you haven't noticed. It provides a lot of opportunities to... well... buy votes in what are hypothetically democratic governments. Which is more or less what happened in Greece, oddly enough.

So Bolivia, for example, which courted foreign investment into what were previously state-controlled industries in the '90s, is now beginning to re-nationalize those industries (now that they've been built up through foreign investment, of course).

Mostly you can look to Venezuela, specifically Hugo Chavez, as the primary agitator towards increased socialism in South America. It's an odd vindication of the "Domino Theory", in its own way.

And we're more than a little off-topic at this point lol.
Bolivia has renationalized most of it's utilities but it hasn't yet indulged in the sort of populist kleptocratic vote buying that Chavez indulges in.



Cuba is about to collapse and were it not for Venezuelan support it would have already done so. On balance since the end of the Cold War and the overt American and covert American and Soviet interventionism in S. America the region is far more stable.

Why the West should worry if Bolivia renationalises it's oil, electricity, and water is a question. More worrying is Evo Morales' eagerness to stack the courts with friendly judges and charge past Presidents with treason. Why is his socialism is more important than his possible authoritarianism?

The problem with the cold war is that the west, especially the US, considered the socialist policies of communism more threatening than the authoritarian policies of communism leading to some blanket support of vile regimes simply because they weren't "peoples revolutions".

And Greeces problem isn't nationalisation or socialism, it's its bloated public service coupled with it's excessive borrowing and inability to control it's own interest rates.