Zero Punctuation: Cave Story - Heart and Art

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But...Rocket league is actually really good. This coming from someone who tries to ignore football and racing. No story though, that may be the clencher.

Edit: I was there! #ragdollstegasaurus2015
 

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Been a while since I played Cave Story, though I have torn through it 5 or 6 times. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the jumping controls can be a wee bit too floaty...
 

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Jeez... The last time I played Cave Story was when I was using the Derpy mod... Good times...

Other than that, I forget about the whole jet pack dealio...
 

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I was wondering if you'd ever review this one.

The only part of this game that really bothered me on replays was the desert bit where you have to keeping running back and forth through the same area collecting the old lady's dogs. The floaty jumping didn't actually bother me that much.
 

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If you have problems with the jumping, pick up the machine gun. It turns your gun into a jetpack of sorts. Plus it does great damage.
 

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Yep that Secret ending is the bane of my Existence. Why in the hell does the difficulty spike so suddenly?

Also you can have sex with one of the cute cuddly rabbit people. So that is a thing.
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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Hah! Jokes on you!

GCSE English Literature was the easiest subject I ever did! They even gave us blank copies in the exam!

Now if we're talking A2 Physics with no Maths, that's a fucking challenge.
 

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The no grabbing jetpack complaint is coming from the guy who made a game where you are a Welshman with a gun and not expected to kill any rabbits are the very start of the game! I wonder how much influence Cave story had on Yahtzee's game Poacher. Can't wait for his let's play in a couple months. Still amazed that he didn't monetize that game; I would definitely throw money at a newer version of that game.
 

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I may have too high of standards, but I was unsatisfied with the characters in cave story. The main thing I felt Yahtzee's game Poacher did better was having the characters react in ways that were emotionally fitting to what they were reacting to. In cave story people die and it's like the player is expected to just ignore it.

Also, that experience mechanic (jamming enemies into your gun) was really irritating.
 

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I remember loving Cave Story until the section where it randomly takes away all your weapon levels and makes you complete a bullshit precision platforming section filled with bullshit enemies.
After spending several hours dying repeatedly I decided that I was obviously not good enough for the game and quit. I haven't played it since and I don't really want to.
 

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I'm a bit surprised that no one has made a crack about the fact that finding Curly's panties unlocks the mode where she and Quote trade placed.

Also, completing the secret ending on Cave Story is an achievement all on it's own because
you have to navigate the labyrinth where the walls, ceiling, and floor cause insta-death, make it through a room with the ceiling falling in top of you, make it through another corridor with enemies, fight a boss and not get killed by him when you do finally beat him, and then fight a four stage final boss.

By the way, while I've yet to see if this is true, there is supposedly a fourth ending where fewer of the characters die, but the qualification is to save Toroko about 15 minutes after she's kidnapped (And those 15 minutes do include the cutscenes).
 

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Herding Hunny Badgers Hard? I will have to remember that. Is it more or less than Mega Man Hard, or Nintendo Hard?
 

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But Mr Croshaw I don't want to play Hatfall. Now give me The Consuming Shadow so I can scratch the lambent, eldritch tumor that is my craving for Lovecraftian settings.
 

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Gosh darn you Mr Croshaw, once more you tease at Kingdom Hearts! Just say you don't like it or kinda do, the tension is killing me. Just cleaning a spill on the floor indeed.

I remember playing Cave Story a while back and really liking it at the time, may give it a shot again. Not going for the secret ending though: had a friend who managed that and just one time watching how long it took him turned me off trying myself.
 

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Let's get the hype train rolling for Consuming Shadow, it would be very fitting giving that shadows are very often found in caves =/
 

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Dear, oh dear! Yahtzee has a case of Bonus Eruprus! The terrible disorder where the skeleton tries to leap out the mouth to escape the rest of the body!
And what he said about the last day of an anime convention rings true to me. At Fanime, the last day is Memorial Day, it officially ends at 3 p.m., and the place is practically dead compared to Thursday-Sunday. The mass exodus of fans packing up, checking out, and going home begins in the morning and goes on all day.
 

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Fractral said:
I remember loving Cave Story until the section where it randomly takes away all your weapon levels and makes you complete a bullshit precision platforming section filled with bullshit enemies.
After spending several hours dying repeatedly I decided that I was obviously not good enough for the game and quit. I haven't played it since and I don't really want to.
Do you mean the secret ending part? If so it was meant to be hard. But you could still level up your weapons so not sure where you got that from.
 

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Zefar said:
Fractral said:
I remember loving Cave Story until the section where it randomly takes away all your weapon levels and makes you complete a bullshit precision platforming section filled with bullshit enemies.
After spending several hours dying repeatedly I decided that I was obviously not good enough for the game and quit. I haven't played it since and I don't really want to.
Do you mean the secret ending part? If so it was meant to be hard. But you could still level up your weapons so not sure where you got that from.
He's talking about the area right after the last boss battle in the desert zone.
The one where you kill Toroko. After doing that, you get thrown into a prison type place (Which is the one Fractral is talking about). Once you get out, then you fight all those cockroaches.
 

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Transdude1996 said:
Zefar said:
Fractral said:
I remember loving Cave Story until the section where it randomly takes away all your weapon levels and makes you complete a bullshit precision platforming section filled with bullshit enemies.
After spending several hours dying repeatedly I decided that I was obviously not good enough for the game and quit. I haven't played it since and I don't really want to.
Do you mean the secret ending part? If so it was meant to be hard. But you could still level up your weapons so not sure where you got that from.
He's talking about the area right after the last boss battle in the desert zone.
The one where you kill Toroko. After doing that, you get thrown into a prison type place (Which is the one Fractral is talking about). Once you get out, then you fight all those cockroaches.
Looked it up on Youtube and I don't get the problem. It's just standard gameplay in the game. The enemies ain't unreasonable at all.
 

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Ha! You sift through games as quickly as me. Also Super Metroid let you down in the end? Yeah, I wish they added more challenge to it too.
 

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Wtf is with the video player, won't let me adjust the sound or go backwards. Now I have to wait until someone uploads it to youtube.
 

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Yet another Yahtzee video I'm unable to pause because of the video player.

That does it. Lisa Foiles, Jimquisition, Extra Credits, The Big Picture, and Loading Ready Run are gone from this site. Yahtzee's content isn't worth disabling certain browser extensions for. Critical Miss and Full Frontal Nerdity may as well be old Garfield comics for their lack of comedic value. And the writers of the articles don't know a damn thing about journalism.

Escapist, you no longer have any accessible providers of worthwhile content left. I've been visiting this site for about nine years, and now I'm done. I would delete my account, but it looks like the only way I can do that is to contact a mod. Not worth the effort when all I have to do is log out and clear my browser history.

 

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Transdude1996 said:
I'm a bit surprised that no one has made a crack about the fact that finding Curly's panties unlocks the mode where she and Quote trade placed.

Also, completing the secret ending on Cave Story is an achievement all on it's own because
you have to navigate the labyrinth where the walls, ceiling, and floor cause insta-death, make it through a room with the ceiling falling in top of you, make it through another corridor with enemies, fight a boss and not get killed by him when you do finally beat him, and then fight a four stage final boss.

By the way, while I've yet to see if this is true, there is supposedly a fourth ending where fewer of the characters die, but the qualification is to save Toroko about 15 minutes after she's kidnapped (And those 15 minutes do include the cutscenes).
Given the Cave Story TAS doesn't even enter Sand Zone until 16 minutes I'm probably gonna call bull on this one
 

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Am I the only one that thought this was a sequel to that Double Fine game from a few years back? The Cave? That was confusing. Anyway this sounds really interesting. Like an indie Yoko Taro game (Drakengard/Neir), that about right?
 

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I feel like I'm one of the few that doesn't care about all the teases that he shows, I still want my fucking Kingdom Hearts review.
 

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thanatos388 said:
Am I the only one that thought this was a sequel to that Double Fine game from a few years back? The Cave? That was confusing. Anyway this sounds really interesting. Like an indie Yoko Taro game (Drakengard/Neir), that about right?
No, some people actually survive Cave Story.
If you go through hell to do it.
 

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Kittenmauler said:
Wtf is with the video player, won't let me adjust the sound or go backwards. Now I have to wait until someone uploads it to youtube.
Psst: the Video DownloadHelper add-on for Firefox still works.
 

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There was the jetpack deal, and then there was the deal immediately afterwards where an essential item to get the best ending is in a corner while your friend is nowhere near it. There's a lot of things like that the game never tells you about, not even vague hints.
 

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It's been too long; all I can remember is something about how getting the best ending (or maybe it was just getting the best ending but keeping the Spur?) requires you to make this one seemingly-impossible jump without either the jetpack or the machine gun ? and so there's a distinctive little mark on one of the blocks to indicate exactly where you're supposed to hit the jump button. I can only imagine the developer was getting constantly badgered by players insisting that the jump could not be done.

Was there very much changed in the "Plus" edition for sale on Steam in comparison to the free version?
 

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It's really hard to hate Cave Story, what with all that heart and excellent gameplay going for it. But being asked to play $15 for a ten year old game certainly makes not hating it a challenge.
 

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I still have not finished the secret final level to this day.

(Thinking about it still gives me nightmares)
(Hands reflexively pressed up->right->up to survive the first spiky section)
 

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Hey, I'm one of the people who still have the initial free version on their PC. It's seriously $15 now?

I was always a fan of the game (although I think there are slightly better solo developed indie games there, such as Untitled Story for example) but the secret ending annoyed me quite a bit. It's one thing to make it hard to acquire, and quite another to create a completely cryptic and obtuse series of prerequisites which one can only get by replaying the game dozens of times and trying out every conceivable combination of actions (and even then it's not a sure thing). I like how Yahtzee handled it with his Poacher - you beat the game once, and you pretty much get a direct hint about what to do the 2nd time around to get the "real" ending. Cave Story doesn't care, you are either one of those poor cave dwellers who actually figured out how to get the ending by themselves, or belong to other 99.999% who read about it on the web.
 

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The 3DS remake was pretty bad. I mean, it was the same game, but more visually busy making it harder to maneuver. In the bonus level that was...less than great.

Captcha: "it hurts"...Uh oh, Chzo is coming...
 

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kimiyoribaka said:
I may have too high of standards, but I was unsatisfied with the characters in cave story. The main thing I felt Yahtzee's game Poacher did better was having the characters react in ways that were emotionally fitting to what they were reacting to. In cave story people die and it's like the player is expected to just ignore it.
Yeah.. Still a fun and creative little title, but I had that gripe as well. I mean, you're essentially punished with a lesser ending when you decide "not" to leave the jet pack guy for dead.
 

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Stop pushing Hatfall so much, it's an extremely simple game that wasn't even executed properly.

With all your nitpicking at videogames one would hope you could push out more than this kind of tripe.
 

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baba44713 said:
Hey, I'm one of the people who still have the initial free version on their PC. It's seriously $15 now?
"Cave Story+", the "enhanced" edition, costs $15. But there's nothing at all wrong with the initial free version. There's even a nice "deluxe" package available at http://www.cavestory.org/download/cave-story.php .

Apparently the cartridge release of the 3DS version has become one of those preposterously rare and expensive things.
 

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Xsjadoblayde said:
But...Rocket league is actually really good. This coming from someone who tries to ignore football and racing. No story though, that may be the clencher.

Edit: I was there! #ragdollstegasaurus2015
Check out Yahtzee's Let's Drown Out series. He uploaded a vídeo of him playing Rocket League today. Says he likes it quite a lot, mostly because he's so good at it.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Xsjadoblayde said:
But...Rocket league is actually really good. This coming from someone who tries to ignore football and racing. No story though, that may be the clencher.

Edit: I was there! #ragdollstegasaurus2015
Check out Yahtzee's Let's Drown Out series. He uploaded a vídeo of him playing Rocket League today. Says he likes it quite a lot, mostly because he's so good at it.
Yup, sundays have themselves an hour or two set aside for Yahtzee n Gabe's courtship experience :). Admittidly, a slight childish joy was felt upon first glancing Rocket League in his drown out yesterday. He has finally succumbed to the seductive waters of manic, nitros, hoppie ball abuse!
 

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Zefar said:
Transdude1996 said:
Zefar said:
Fractral said:
I remember loving Cave Story until the section where it randomly takes away all your weapon levels and makes you complete a bullshit precision platforming section filled with bullshit enemies.
After spending several hours dying repeatedly I decided that I was obviously not good enough for the game and quit. I haven't played it since and I don't really want to.
Do you mean the secret ending part? If so it was meant to be hard. But you could still level up your weapons so not sure where you got that from.
He's talking about the area right after the last boss battle in the desert zone.
The one where you kill Toroko. After doing that, you get thrown into a prison type place (Which is the one Fractral is talking about). Once you get out, then you fight all those cockroaches.
Looked it up on Youtube and I don't get the problem. It's just standard gameplay in the game. The enemies ain't unreasonable at all.


He's talking about the cave bit after the plantation. It's like one of those super hard Mario ROM hack platform challenge.
eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4LbPv6nMzs.
It is such bullshit.