Zero Punctuation: Mafia II

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Hooray Mafia 2
NIce game, love the review.
Yathzee's a psychic, now.
And that one seems a bit too GTA IV-ish...
Only worse.
And GTA IV is, in my opinion, BAD

Seems like "The Godfather" is till the best Mafia game.
Only that s has a better story and more variety
 

Gazisultima

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An interesting video. There certainly has been multiple opinions on this game, and as usual, Yahtzee points out that most of them are shit :L
 

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The review was pretty good, and I have to agree with yahtzee that the story was predictable, but I think the immersion excuses a large ammount of issues.
 

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I like this review. I'm still getting the game thought because i enjoyed the first Mafia and all it's faults.
 

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Is it just me or am I the only one starting to want to e-mail Yahtzee about the upcoming lottory numbers.
 

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Is it odd that my favorite part of an open world game is driving around listening to the radio?

Even in Saint's Row 2, I find that the most entertaining part of the game...
 

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This game disappointed the hell out of me.

Yahtzee is so right about the game being restrictive though, it's extremely linear and the driving was boring.
 

Yahtzee Croshaw

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Radical, I've been looking forward to this!

It's true that the linear gameplay is kinda balls breaker, and it's anti climatic to break the story to play in some sand, so it's hard to love it, but not impossible.
robbing shops was great fun, too bad I haven't found hoes to hop in.
 

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Son, I am Disapoint.
Good review, but disapointed about the game. Was looking forward to this one as I'd had some fuin with the first game and was keen for more.

Oh well, saved me some $$ then if nothing else.
 

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This review was fairly average for Yahtzee, but then again, the game was pretty average and bland itself. I guess I can't expect the poor fellow to crap roses if we never feed him anything but crap to begin with.
 

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Ooo, a shoutout to the Sopranos, maybe?

Okay, I was actually a bit miffed by the story aspect of Mafia II. So, in my mind, the first half of the game was paced beautifully, what with starting in a war, then jumping back home and wandering around a bit, doing some minor crimes, meeting some people in the family, then suddenly BOOM you're under arrest and in jail for six years! Let me tell you, having the closed world of a prison suddenly thrust on you when you expected an open world status quo was so jarring and disturbing I actually ENJOYED it.

Then in the latter half, the game's pretty much routine combat mission after combat mission. I figured that this was the point that the game was going to nestle into a comfortable sandbox status quo, then suddenly BOOM, your house burns down and you lose all your stuff. For some reason, it PISSED ME OFF that time! Almost like it was arbitrary and really had little to do with the actual story that all my cars, cash, clothes, and weapons had now become very flammable and I had nothing but my skivvies to my name.

Then of course, the ending, like the man sa--
 

wooty

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I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
 

RichardThompson

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Flawless review, have yet to play this game but if it's anything like Mafia 1 or The Godfather it'll keep me interested.
 

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Game Great, Review, Good. I dont like defending games too much on here but the fact was that when you were in the 'go home to bed' phase of the missions this was the time that was really 'go out and play in the city with your money and cars prettyboy'. I would have liked more to do around the city, stripclubs, pool halls etc. throw some minigames in to pad the free time you have but still have that story and narrative.

Overall barring the ending I really enjoyed this game and hope for more vito stories in future!
 

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Wow, I loved it. I thought this was one of your great ones, even though I liked the game a lot.
 

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hmm, odd does the video just cut-...

Hurr hurr, I see what I did thar.

OT: Good one, laughed through it all. I tried the demo on steam, seemd good and the short driving I was able to do it was some good music on the radio. Though I won't get it on the PC, driving is never good on PC tbh, and I crashed, almost died and got a speeding ticket xD
 

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Pretty good, and the sudden stop was hillarious. Not one of his better ones, though. Too focused on Mogworld, maybe?
 

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Everyone complains about the same thing: the lack of content outside of the main story and the shitty ending. Mafia 2 flaws are so obvious everyone noticed them. Even Yahtzee didn't have anything new to criticize. 2k FAIL
 

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I love pretty cars and fast hookers!

I don't get one thing though: Mafia 2 gets blasted with the shit cannon because you have nothing to do outside the missions but look for playboys. And yet over here was inFamous, a game that gave you nothing to do outside of the structured missions (so story missions + clean up city missions) but look for electric rocks and satellite dishes, and it gets treated like one of the best games on the PS3. If anyone figures that one out, let me know. I mean, hell, at least Mafia 2 doesn't make you climb to the top of very tall buildings with an awful wall climbing mechanic to find the playboys.
 

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BlueInkAlchemist said:
It seems that Yahtzee has run afoul of Candleja
You're doing it wrong!

You have to completely utter Candlejack before you can cut out adru
 

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It was a pretty pathetic sequel to the original Mafia, I mean I loved the first game it had so much in it plus the story was wonderful. Yet in this game I was done with it within a day and a half. The problem was it just felt so restricted that it had this great big world yet you were not allowed to really do anything in it except appreciate the realism on your drives to and from missions. Now I am not saying it was a bad game it is just not what I would expect from the people who made the first one. Really all in all this game was a big pile of meh to me, and I am soooo glad that I borrowed it from a friend instead of buying it.
 

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i figured the game was pretty bland from the demo...

also, lol @ the randomly cutting off without actually finishing talking about randomly cutting off.
 

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I coulden't agree more. Sure these were obvious facts: the free-roam was unessisary, bad ending etc. etc. but It's the truth god dang it.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
Even in Saint's Row 2, I find that the most entertaining part of the game...
I like that, but not just driving around casually at 30mph. I actually want to jump off ramps while listening to Deadly Sinner and not be stopped by Real Time Strategy, which is why I liked Saints Row 2 as well.

That and the whole, FUN thing as well.

OT: Predictably good and obvious verdict. A game that is neither bad nor good, which is usally your worst type in which it isn't funny, but you did good here Yahtzee.

Calumon: Ummm.. I dunno. What do you expect of me?
 

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Funny You had the same opinion of the game I did. You got to admit that It had to have been the best representation of the 1950s a game has ever had. Even the radio conversations were accurate news for that time.
 

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wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes Yahtzee tends to miss the good aspects of games.
 

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Heh yeh could have done with a lot more side missions to play with the open world aspect, though the modders have gotten started already and from looking at the games files theres some more DLC due eventually as well.

Shame he didn't enjoy it more, I love it myself, but it ain't everybody's thing so fair enough.
 

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The cops in Mafia 2 don't actually arrest/fine/chase you if you run a red light, I don't know why people keep saying that. Did you play the game mr. Yahtzee?
 

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I feel like a Mafia sandbox game in true form could only be fun if you were in control of the gang, like in Saints Row. Maybe something like what the new Godfather game tried, but not carried out so flimsily.
 

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Considering the first game was so "hailed" then of course I was expecting more. So far I've only played the demo and it was... ok to say the least. Nothing really wrong or noticeably flawed but hardly anything to relish in either.

Then there's some really odd collectible mini game involving softcore pornography... erm, retro?

Random opinion no one cares about over.
 

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This one seemed to be more review than the usual jokefest but there's nothing wrong with that i suppose ^_^

Didn't get the ending joke at first ;D
 

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Calibanbutcher said:
Seems like "The Godfather" is till the best Mafia game.
Only that s has a better story and more variety
Nope, Mafia is the best Mafia game around. The Godfather isn't worthy of being a fart in it's general direction.

Anyway: *Insert comment about Mafia 1/2 being shit sandbox games because they're not trying to be sandbox games.*
 

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Kind-of expected it, but I'm surprised he didn't complain about some silly things that really would've spiced the game up if they weren't cut out, pretty much every one of them shown in this parody video:
But yeah it would've been nice if the game would embrace it's open nature a bit more. Give us as much to do we could do in Red Dead Redemption, but then mafia style! Maybe something for Mafia 3.
Onyx Oblivion said:
Even in Saint's Row 2, I find that the most entertaining part of the game...
Especially in Saints Row 2 that's the best thing there is. Putting on EZZZ FM and ploughing through hordes of civilians is so hilariously unfitting that I giggled so much that I didn't even need alcohol to feel drunk.

Not to mention the, as Yathzee wonderfully described it, the Team Rocket-style physics. Gods that was hilarious.
 

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It was nice to see someone finally call out how incredibly short and disappointing the ending was. The Shawshank analogy was a good way of describing it. I was so pissed afterward that I now have a hard time recommending the game to others. Not to spoil anything, but the only advice I'll give to people is after you beat the game don't run out to take a piss because the ending will probably be done by the time you get back.
 

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Why is it always the first two or four people who get whacked with the prohibition hammer on these vids...

Still, humour was great.
 

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Calibanbutcher said:
Hooray Mafia 2
NIce game, love the review.
Yathzee's a psychic, now.
And that one seems a bit too GTA IV-ish...
Only worse.
And GTA IV is, in my opinion, BAD

Seems like "The Godfather" is till the best Mafia game.
Only that s has a better story and more variety
I thought that the godfather is only meh. The best mafia game is still Mafia 1
 

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Jedi Sasquatch said:
wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes Yahtzee tends to miss the good aspects of games.
Not so much *miss* them as "undersell" them. Of course, that's his schtick. That's why we keep coming back, and why you should listen to more than one reviewer if you're truly stressing over whether to buy it.
 

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YES! I was hoping he'd do Mafia II this week because I personally loved it and wanted to be told why I'm stupid.

I don't think he was wrong about anything in the game, but if you approach the game as a linear one with some very broad boundaries rather than a true sandbox, it makes a lot more sense while playing it. I felt like this review focused a little bit too much on the non-sandboxyness and less on the other elements, but in all fairness I suppose there wasn't that much else to discuss.

I never did connect emotionally with Vito apart from the common understanding in games that his success is tied with my own. I play the game right, Vito is showered with wet money and big bags of vagina. I play the game wrong and I have to sit through another loading screen.

The ending was nevertheless still a blow, largely I suppose because despite responding eagerly to every tug of the puppet strings, ultimately riches and glory was taken away from me... no less than three fucking times if we're really honest about it. First I get sent to prison, though to be honest my accumulated wealth was barely noteworthy.
Then my house burns down and I lose everything - because apparently Vito stuffed all his money into a mattress instead of the slightly more traditional option of say, a secure building specialising in holding onto money for people in some sort of locked and guarded room. Somehow my pornography survived.

Ultimately the part where your best friend who just saved your life is taken away to (probably) be fitted for some new cement cross-trainers was the final of several brutal kicks to the metaphorical groin and by the time it rolled around I had secured enough emotional padding in my pants to protect me from the worst of it.

I did observe the striking similarities between Vito/Niko and Joe/Roman, but when I too went back and watched the end cutscene from Mafia 1 I... well you know there was no real need for the crossover, so no, I won't forgive that.

At least in this game we actually got to see some BEEG AMERICAN TEETEES.
 

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Trust Yahtzee to cut through all the hype. He never disappoints.
Onyx Oblivion said:
Is it odd that my favorite part of an open world game is driving around listening to the radio?

Even in Saint's Row 2, I find that the most entertaining part of the game...
Radio music and driving is great, but you don't like jacking cars and beating up pimps? I thought I understood you Onyx.
 

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wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
then let me make it easier for you, rent it. its not that long of a game and the sand box isnt a sand box its a city with nothing to do but steal cars and shoot people. the story is pretty immersive(i know its not a word) and fun to play through, tho i agree the ending sucked... anyway i suggest renting it.
 

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Quick question, who is that one guy in each of the new ZP videos? I have no clue who he is nor was it ever explained but it is a real face of some dorky guy in each of the new videos. His face shows up even if it isn't needed or warrented. Thats fine and all, but who is he?
 

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The way Yahtzee describes it, sounds like another game developed using the highly successful "Like Grand Theft Auto but..." design pattern that everyone, for whatever mysterious reason, fails to buy.
 

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LoL sopranos refrence : >
I'm a little scared to post this now since the first two post got probation for mearly saying the review was good. Because the review was good.

On Topic, I think the reason most mafia game end up being about how crime doesn't pay is because socity wants to subimally stop people from joining up.
 

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I didn't play the first one, and by the looks of things I'm glad I didn't get into it. GTA was ok for the first 3 games, anything that is basically a spinoff mafia sandbox seems bleh to me now. Good review all in all.
 

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They get probation as the posts were 5:01 and 5:04 for a video posted at 5. It seems a regular thing. Watch it first!

I personally enjoyed Mafia 2 as a short piece of entertainment. It won me over despite some of its flaws, and because of some of the restrictions, the driving etc was a departure from SR 2 and GTA IV.

What I love about ZP, aside from the great humour etc. is what I look for in any review. I agree with / or can see their point but still decide if I'll like the game! I have more tolerance for a flawed horror maybe than a flawed RPG (because I'm rubbish at them, am I the only one in Dragon age who only presses A a lot and hopes for the best?). I can see WHY people don't like this, but it worked for me, getting to work up through the mob was a real blast and the ending (thought not original) had enough impact from a 'smaller' game like this to carry it for me.

That said I shall be trading it in tomorrow and look forward to Halo Reach really annoying me :)
 

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Totally loved when he started talking about the "Day Job" sequence. You get hooked and heeled into your job and do the same thing over again.
 

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wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
Nice post count : D

OT: I hear this game is led by the cinematics so idk about getting it.
 

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I feel like I've mentioned this before about another video but he's mentioned Shawshank in like 5 reviews now, just sayin.
 

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Uh, you dont get shit for running red lights in Mafia 2.

Hmm, it seems someone <a=did not do the researchDid Not Do The Research [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch]

Mr Croshaw did you fly the game so fast you just forgot? Or just took it off Mafia 1.

tut tut.
 

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Well done Yahtzee as nearly always.

Formula sounds blend and standart, but they made the damn city boring as hell again?

Must be a game with a decent vehicle control though since he didn't curse that out.
 

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Good review. I tried to play the demo, but this was my experience:

Wake up
Watch a not particularly interesting cutscene
Get in car
Drive really fast
Hit wall and die

It was at this point where I turned it off because I just can't respect a sandbox game which won't let me drive really fast.
 

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What kind of "sandbox" game follows nothing but linear paths?

Worse than than that... name me one mob grunt that only gets day jobs?
 

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Mackheath said:
Why is it always the first two or four people who get whacked with the prohibition hammer on these vids...

Still, humour was great.
They commented on it before they could have realistically watched the video. Look at their post times and the ZP video length.

It is the attempted way to be tricky and get a "First!" comment in

EDIT: Sorry, quoted wrong person originally.
 

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I should really try to not eat or drink during Zero Punctuation. The two have a bad habit of causing me to choke.
 

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okay im not gonna look at the comments and predict that hella people said "AWWW! I WANTED HALO REACH!"

(Peeks) Ok, i was wrong, and im NOT gonna be the first to suggest it. I WAS actually looking forward to Mafia 2, but when I played the demo, it was so BOOORING! (you know a game's bad when the demo, the part that's supposed to SELL YOU ON THE GAME, is boring)
 

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OuendanCyrus said:
This game disappointed the hell out of me.

Yahtzee is so right about the game being restrictive though, it's extremely linear and the driving was boring.
I was extremely disappointed with the game as well. I'm surprised as well that Yathzee was actually kind of light on the game even though I'm getting the impression he didn't like it because of it's many flaws. He didn't even bring up the truck load of bugs that the game has or just how boring the main character is. That and he was actually wrong for once on the ending message of the game. The ending of the game took the original "Crime doesn't pay" and put it on it's head with "Crime doesn't pay, unless you have well connected and sometimes overly loyal friends, then you're good."

Not very impressed with this episode, was hoping for some of the venom he has given to other games as of lately. Kane & Lynch 2 for example I enjoyed because I didn't expect much out of it. Mafia II I expected a gripping emotional rollar coaster of a story set in a large city with lots of things to do in it, instead I get a GTA4 wanna-be execpt with one-twenty-fifth the content.
 

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reg42 said:
Good review. I tried to play the demo, but this was my experience:

Wake up
Watch a not particularly interesting cutscene
Get in car
Drive really fast
Hit wall and die

It was at this point where I turned it off because I just can't respect a sandbox game which won't let me drive really fast.
You lucked out pal. :p In the full game the citizens push you into to walls and kill you, a bug that could not be a bigger irritation.
 

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I couldn't agree more, they jerked off the good in Mafia 1 to make it worse on the second opus... the only thing that should be noted, where they did an effort, was the mission where you must whack Thomas Angelo from Mafia 1, that felt Nostalgic.
 

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I think you have to go into it knowing it's not actually a sandbox, and there is expository cutscenes, rather than in game events. (However the style and marketing should not be so vague that anyone should ever have to say that, and it is a definite minus to the game) It's a straight story that will last about 12 hours and does involve a lot of driving about and waiting. What worked for me was whilst washing a window is a boring task, it is in anticipation of something more interesting happening. The people you are beating up in some cases it is for a very good, or in one case very satisfying and corny 'mafia movie 101' reason.

It's an ideal rental for any fans of mob stories, it's a slow burn game and it is one that will wither endeer itself to you or make you angry and frustrated at the pace, the cars and the 'day job' aspect.

By the way try getting a car to 125 mph in the game, that's a challenge!
 

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I liked the game, And even after this review im going to play it again at somepoint.

I really liked the games atmosphere and the storyline and didn't mind driving around. But it seems thats just me as most people just don't give a damn.

Also the game had some sneaking which i thought was cool, As were the brawls. Gunfights were especially treat, Since the "bossfights" (the few of them) were like a puzzle where you try to position yourself so you won't get shot and can headshot the one guy that is able to see you (i quess that sounds pretty bland but i enjoyed it).

Now about the ending. I liked it, i do understand why people hate it but i found it better than i anticipated.
 

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Demo looked pretty lackluster, so I'm not surprised the game is. The video was pretty entertaining, though.
 

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The major problems of this game can be summed under the abbreviation DLC. However, I still cannot understand why the developers of the game refuse to acknowledge, incorporate or accept water as part of the game world. They treat water as some instant death substance, that's apparently too hard to program. People jump in the water and instead of starting to splash around in comical manner they die instantly and their bodies accelerate to the bottom with free fall speed. Your car falls in the water and the game ends immediately. It really degrades the reality of the game they otherwise try to achieve so badly.
The other thing I didn't like was the lack of countryside. Although there's nothing that can't be fixed w...
 

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wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
Well you could always rent it :)
 

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Can't say I expected too much from this game. Would've been better if it was set in Vegas when the mafia was more prevalent. Oh well theres always Mafia III.
 

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while playing this game a couple weeks ago, my brain was saying "This is what yahtzee will point out." I was basically 9 for 10 but I found Vito was a complete moron and was a terrible main character, something mr. C skipped by.

Also, that last joke would have worked if the video and audio were synced.
 

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I was never really sold on mafia, mind you I wasnt really sold on on bioshock until I played it
 

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phoenix352 said:
the sand box isnt a sand box its a city with nothing to do but steal cars and shoot people
Seriously? As in... That's it? No mini-games, no stunt jumps, no side-missions?
 

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Loved the end XD hehe made me chuckle ^_^

Next week, im calling it now...Halo: Reach.
 

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Furrama said:
This is going to devolve into a bunch of Candlejack jokes now isn-
It wouldn't if people would just do it right - it's not that hard. You don't put a hyphen or anything at the end. Candlejack ****ing kidnaps you, he doesn't stick around to
 

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I've heard it argued over and over that this game isn't "a sandbox" it's "an open world", but that still leaves me asking "what the fuck do you do with it"?
Also, funny that you should mention that part where you lose everything... I pressed reply 3 times to fight the guys that caused me all the pain and then took my sweet time stealing shit and planning revenge, then back to work.

Sigh.
 

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misterprickly said:
What kind of "sandbox" game follows nothing but linear paths?
That just might have been the deal breaker on me buying this game. If can't horse around without being sent to bed without dinner, I am not sure I am keen.
 

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Maybe it's already been mentioned, but the audio quality is worse than previous videos. Why is that?

I do hope it won't affect future reviews.
 

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Fairly good review. Although in some ways, some of the reviews (usually the generic FPS types) are feeling a bit stale, but that's partly because game developers keep making the same fat stupid mistakes every time. And there's usually enough spice in each one to be worth it despite this. But then I'm starting to ramble, aren't I? In summary, funny review and I look forward to next week.
 

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Y'know.. This will anger the ZP fanboys but I honestly haven't seen much brilliant comedy gold from Yahtzee since.. Hm.. February 2010? I felt it's kinda been slipping in value, more on the "I don't care about this anymore" rather than "I'm writing these awesome jokes because they are brilliantly funny"..

This one though.. You have successfully regained my trust. First time in a loooooooooooooooooooong while that I burst into laughter this late at night at key moments of ZP. Well played, sir.
 

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Awwww yeah...assonance joke at the end. You just don't see enough attention paid to assonance any more. Everyone's all like "ooh alliteration and rhyme, that's all we need."
 

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Good one, as usual. And the ending joke was good. I like it when you put an extra funny joke at the ending.
 

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Even with the YZ review, I still would like to play the game, it's just that the people within a mafia-family intruige me so much and...-
 

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Nice review, I too was disappointed by the lack of actual sandbox elements, and the story was a bit too predictable.

I wonder if you're going to do Amnesia: The Dark Descent next. This isn't really a request, but the promise of a legitimate survival horror game to play seems too good not to jump on, and it would be fun to hear what you think of it.
 

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Is it odd that my favorite part of an open world game is driving around listening to the radio?

Even in Saint's Row 2, I find that the most entertaining part of the game...
It's not a shame, I also like driving in Mafia II (those cars and tuning option... but it's a pity that there's no "racing missons" in this game), however lot of gamers don't like "do a mission - driving sequence (usually to the opposite side of a map) - do another mission" thing and I understand them. It's all about players taste, not everyone has the same.

BTW. I have only 2 things against this game. First, it's to short (just 15 short chapters, minus driving sequences), second, it should has more sand-box style (there're NO side missions and also you're ALWAYS "led by the hand"). After that, it's a great game... of course not as good as Saint's Row 2, but hey, it's my taste :)
 

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I didn't mind the driving n' music bits (awesome cars, awesome music (awesome bit where drunk friends SING ALONG to aforesaid awesome music))

I DID mind the ending, however, and I'd agree with ZP there.

All in all, quite an accurate review, if typically OTT
 

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Kind-of expected it, but I'm surprised he didn't complain about some silly things that really would've spiced the game up if they weren't cut out, pretty much every one of them shown in this parody video:
But yeah it would've been nice if the game would embrace it's open nature a bit more. Give us as much to do we could do in Red Dead Redemption, but then mafia style! Maybe something for Mafia 3.
We'll there is this DLC allready witch is basicaly the freeride mode from the first game. only with a different guy and more missions to go on. Must've seemed like a good idea to sell that Sandbox seperately.

As for the game, I liked it a lot, even with the predictable plot and unsatisactory ending. I guess its the atmosphere of this game that I missed since I played Mafia (one that is). One thing that was a major pain in the ass for me was the handeling of the cars, at least in the PC version. there no option between pedal to the metal and driving like Joes grandmother...
 

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Stream's busted.

Code:
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Is anyone else getting "not found" errors when trying to watch the video? I've been refreshing for 10 minutes and nothing...

This is the first time I've seen this happen.


EDIT: ^^^^ I guess that answers that.
 

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Stream's busted.

Code:
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same here, guess it's a waiting issue.
 

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Is anyone else getting "not found" errors when trying to watch the video? I've been refreshing for 10 minutes and nothing...

This is the first time I've seen this happen.
Happening on my end too.
 

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Oooooh, I hate it when I can't watch ZP on a Wednesday morning!


...get it fixed; this is an outrage!!!
 

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It would be funny if some noob tech accidentally deleted the master copy of the review, and no one gets to see it ever again.
 

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Good giggle...And, I liked the near Niko Bellic reference XD
 

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This also happened a few days ago for me with the Wolfenstein review. Perhaps the Escapist is saving on server costs by unplugging them some of the time..?
 

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getting a missing stream error. any fix?
okay so it's not just me getting the error. Good to know.

I tried on all the videos they posted today but it's a no go. Hopefully they get it fixed soon.
 

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Oh wait, I get it. Yahtzee is saying Mafia II is a broken piece of shit and should not be played, hence the broken and unplayable link.

Very abstract but I dig it. Great review as always, Yahtz!
 

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Oh wait, I get it. Yahtzee is saying Mafia II is a broken piece of shit and should not be played, hence the broken and unplayable link.

Very abstract but I dig it. Great review as always, Yahtz!
nope. either someone spilled coffee on the servers or 4chan is messing with us again by DOS'ing our them.
 

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phoenix352 said:
the sand box isnt a sand box its a city with nothing to do but steal cars and shoot people
Seriously? As in... That's it? No mini-games, no stunt jumps, no side-missions?

nope... all you got is your main story line and the ability to drive .... thats it.
you can steal cars and smash them in the junk yard for cash or rob stores, either way you probably get the police on you and then its an annoying situation where you either kill every one that sees you or drive away and have the cops on your tail then you need to go through the trouble of changing clothes again and again so police doesn't suspect you. there's like one ramp in the whole city where you can jump it but doesn't give you anything. that's all you do ... for hours drive back and forth between your house and the next job.
 

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I think it should be mentioned that there are not just white people in the game. There are also black people who you only ever see shooting at you, getting beaten up by you, beating you up, buying drugs from you, or getting "comically" shot in the face for being too uppity.

I get that people could see there being some racism against Irish or even Italian people, but they basically have a respectable amount of power and come into these fights eyes open. The black people get shot or beaten up whether they attack you or not if they come up in the storyline, and the best they get off is buying heroin from you in a cutscene.

Racism is a pretty amazing force, isn't it?
 

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with some points i agree.. but i thought the missions were good, and the story was awesome and very immersive..

But looses some points in the fact that there is almost none sidemissions and other crazy stuff to do.. Like in Saints Row 2..
And there is a lack of free roam unless you do it in a mission.. But as far as i've read, the Jimmy's vendetta DLC takes care of some of those points..
 

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I've been waiting for this review for a long time because I suspected that Yahtzee would find its atmosphere to be rather impressive. That's what I thought before I played the demo, anyway. After that, I didn't think that this would be a "brilliant game" and was just waiting for a funny review. That is what I got. :)
 

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Jedi Sasquatch said:
wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes Yahtzee tends to miss the good aspects of games.
You watch zp to decide if you buy a game? I just watch it for fun and fun it was^^ Otherwise you end up with maybe 3 games in 5 years, excellent games at least.
 

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nope... all you got is your main story line and the ability to drive .... thats it.
you can steal cars and smash them in the junk yard for cash or rob stores, either way you probably get the police on you and then its an annoying situation where you either kill every one that sees you or drive away and have the cops on your tail then you need to go through the trouble of changing clothes again and again so police doesn't suspect you. there's like one ramp in the whole city where you can jump it but doesn't give you anything. that's all you do ... for hours drive back and forth between your house and the next job.
Well, that's me certainly not buying it. Sounds really boring :p
 

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Love the ending. DON'T REVIEW DUKE NUKEM FOREVER! The one you made is perfect already.
 

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Bud the Wise said:
Quick question, who is that one guy in each of the new ZP videos? I have no clue who he is nor was it ever explained but it is a real face of some dorky guy in each of the new videos. His face shows up even if it isn't needed or warrented. Thats fine and all, but who is he?
Yahtzee uses the image to express blandness, normality and regular grey mass everyday Joes. The photo was taken by some fairly unknown photographer of one of their family members ( or at least that's what the theme was ).

I honestly cannot remember who the person was, but to be honest, it doesn't really matter either :)
 

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The review wasn't as funny as last time, but it is about as accurate as an atomic force microscope. There are significant dampers on fun, and it is priced way too high to be "interactive theater".
 

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I love pretty cars and fast hookers!

I don't get one thing though: Mafia 2 gets blasted with the shit cannon because you have nothing to do outside the missions but look for playboys. And yet over here was inFamous, a game that gave you nothing to do outside of the structured missions (so story missions + clean up city missions) but look for electric rocks and satellite dishes, and it gets treated like one of the best games on the PS3. If anyone figures that one out, let me know.
I think its the "treated like one of the best games on the PS3" part. The PS3 doesn't have very many good games. It probably was one of their better games...
 

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Was the ending a reference to The Sopranos?
I'm sure it kinda is.
 

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I quite enjoyed this game, but I enjoyed this review more. The game is very repetative but the story is great. Although, Yahtzee put the predictability into perspective...
 

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Hilarious and also perfect review, reflected my experience completely... funish game, but with too much wasted potential and shitty gameplay mechanics to embrace completely. And if the story was a river, Mafia 2 just skipped along the stepping stones of cliches. It's well executed, but that doesn't really make the story itself, the plot, good. I could see each chapter coming a mile away.

Also much agreed on the whole CRIME DOES NOT PAY thing, it's entirely unnecessary. It was great in the first game imo, because the story was fantastic and it executed that part well, you start out right away saying how you got into the life of crime and how you want out. Mafia 2 on the other hand just chucks bullshit at you. You can kill half the bloody city, blow up/set buildings on fire, steal a million cars, but
robbing one safe of nearly-expired gas stamps and you get 10 years of prison? Sod the fuck off really.
 

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Well I'll be, the first Yahtzee review with the blue background. Only took 9 pages to get there.
 

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Fabian Stetter said:
Jedi Sasquatch said:
wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes Yahtzee tends to miss the good aspects of games.
You watch zp to decide if you buy a game? I just watch it for fun and fun it was^^ Otherwise you end up with maybe 3 games in 5 years, excellent games at least.
Well, no, I was just saying that I don't watch zp to decide if I buy a game, because like I just said, "sometimes Yahtzee tends to miss the good aspects of games."
 

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Wow, I totally forgot about this game until I saw the review. Same thing with Kane and Lynch last week, I'm really off nowadays!
 

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Hilarious and also perfect review, reflected my experience completely... funish game, but with too much wasted potential and shitty gameplay mechanics to embrace completely. And if the story was a river, Mafia 2 just skipped along the stepping stones of cliches. It's well executed, but that doesn't really make the story itself, the plot, good. I could see each chapter coming a mile away.

Also much agreed on the whole CRIME DOES NOT PAY thing, it's entirely unnecessary. It was great in the first game imo, because the story was fantastic and it executed that part well, you start out right away saying how you got into the life of crime and how you want out. Mafia 2 on the other hand just chucks bullshit at you. You can kill half the bloody city, blow up/set buildings on fire, steal a million cars, but
robbing one safe of nearly-expired gas stamps and you get 10 years of prison? Sod the fuck off really.
I think the length of the prison term was determined because gasoline was rationed due to the war.
 

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It seems that Yahtzee has run afoul of Candleja
Come on now, we all know Candlejack is merely a myth.

OT: I tried out the demo and felt underwhelmed. It was decent, but not wo
 

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Color me boring but the very things that Yahtzee takes issue with are the very things that attract me.

Just proves people are different and have different tastes. Funny how Russ Pitts' take on Mafia 2 and Yahtzee's are at the exact polar opposite opinions.

Thankfully the game universe has grown so much that we all have a fantastically diverse array of choices today. It is so great to be a gamer today.

And Yahtzee is far more enjoyable for me when he dislikes the game he's covering. He doesn't care for Mafia 2.

Hooray!
 

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Great review, dumb game. Someone force Yahtzee into slave labor where all he does is reviews for the fan base! Oh wait sorry, I was reliving a dream again...
 

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Nice for entertainment, but like most of the reviews for this game, not really a review.

Think of it like going into Zelda: Wind Waker and critiquing it on it's puzzle abilities because it had a sliding puzzle. It gets a 6/10 because the puzzle was simple and there was only one. Reservoir Dogs gets a 4/10 because it's a shitty action movie. Machete gets 5.5/10 because it didn't hold up as a romance film. Get my drift?

Same idea when you critique Mafia II based on its open world environment and limitations. It's a simulation game, not a sandbox game. It simulates the life of Vito, a gangster in 1940s and 50s America. You want side missions? Why would Vito be doing side missions? He's a made man. Like hell is he racing around, doing dirty jobs for someone other than who he's told to do jobs for, or doing pretty much anything else. I'd say the trash compactor and robbing grocery stores is kind of lame in that respect; it should have only been included in that one mission where you have to get $27k.

As I usually say when I post a comment on these videos, I wouldn't mind so much if people took the "reviews" as what they are: entertainment. But the problem is that there's much more sheep on this site that take these as fact than there are people who can think for themselves.
 

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Jedi Sasquatch said:
Fabian Stetter said:
Jedi Sasquatch said:
wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes Yahtzee tends to miss the good aspects of games.
You watch zp to decide if you buy a game? I just watch it for fun and fun it was^^ Otherwise you end up with maybe 3 games in 5 years, excellent games at least.
Well, no, I was just saying that I don't watch zp to decide if I buy a game, because like I just said, "sometimes Yahtzee tends to miss the good aspects of games."
Most of the time if Yahtzee doesn't at least half like it I'll stay away from it, but hey what can I say, I am sheep! I'd love for him to review Naughty Bear, it just seems like the kind of cutesy violence that he would have a field day with.
 

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I think the length of the prison term was determined because gasoline was rationed due to the war.
Yeah, it's a federal crime, but it's ridiculous to put you in the can for 10 years for such a crime and then not lift a finger over all the murders, blowing up buildings and such.

It takes you quite a while to get into the mafia itself in the storyline as well and you're a bottom feeder all the way through anyway, so it's not like you have the protection from them with the cops.

In the first Mafia game, Salieri clearly tells you he's paying the cops off, but not to get stupid or they'll hunt you down. Since you're talking to the head of the crime family right from the start, it makes sense that he does his part in protecting you and making sure you aren't caught for your crimes, but in Mafia 2, you're not a mafioso, you're just an ordinary goon hired by the mafia. Even when you're accepted into the family itself, you're never even mildly important, all your jobs are done on your own and often even against what your superiors asked you to do. It just doesn't hold up.

It's also just completely disappointing at how irrelevant the main character and in fact, the whole story is. Again, first Mafia game, you're pretty much the right hand of one of the biggest mafia bosses in the city. In the second, you go around running whatever chore they throw at you at the first promise of cash. The missions rarely amount to anything bigger and when they do, they don't really make sense.

I mean think about it. You're running the mafia. You need to kill the head of another crime family. Do you really send just the regular asshole who spends his day selling cigarettes from the back of a truck? Again, first game you earn your respect. They don't give you much credit right at the start, but you show them you're capable and take notice of it and use it. Second game they just chuck random jobs at you.
 

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Strong episode this week. Though I do wonder if you lifted the pretty cars and fast women joke from "A bit of fry & laurie"
 

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Yahtzee made a Shawshank Redemption joke?

I fucking love him more now than ever.

And the review somewhat captured my thought on Mafia, job well dumb Yahtzee.
 

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He's more than right about the ending unfortunately. Great game though!
 

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I completely agree about the freedom it gives you. The game could've been awesome if there was more you do in free roam.

I also liked the ending, that was
 

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Mafia II is an anright game. Not great nor shit! It lacks what other sandbox games have, lots of gameplay. Sure you fight in Sicily during WWII, avoid getting raped in prison and pretty much become part of the family and wack people. But the game just ends very fast and abruptly. Theres side missions, not many or them,there also not very interesting and you never get to play the god damm things! Killing people is fun in this game, but theres only one way to do it! What about the occasional sniping and carbombs? And the AI, surprise surprise is awful! Bad guys just seem to run into your line of fire, mistaking it for candy or something? Now I know why the Mafia died out, they mistaked bullets for sugar coated heaven.
Some of you may think I'm being too harsh on the game, well I'm not. As a kid most of you wanted to be a cowboy or a astronaut. I wanted to be a mafia hitman. When I brought this game I thought there no way 2K can screw up a mafia game for me... but they did! For christs sake they made Bioshock! Well differrent makers, maybe those czech are too wasted on cheap vodka to make a decent game and not wasted enough to make a great game. And then, I remembered they made Bioshock 2... That had more leaks and holes in the story line itself, than Rapture.
Today, it seems like all games have to be sandboxed based. Mafia II is like Wolfenstein (2009), they put too much effort into making you roam around... BUT YOU HAVE NOT REASON TO ROAM AROUND, DUE TO THE FACT THERE IS NOTHING TO FIND. Also there both 'safe' games. They don't try anything new, it just looks around and coping whats going on, as if its a student during an exam and forgot to study... like me. Mafia II is like GTA4 crashed its badly controlled car into the Godfather! (Not the original, more like the 2nd one) And the end result is just average. Your sidekick is equally stupid and drunk as that guy in GTA4, that you have to pretty much be this taxi and take him to eat.
Now I can on for days tear apart Mafia II, like the story line is alright, though is bloody predictable, of course that mouthy gun tooting teenager gets killed and whenever that happens someone gets pissy and mows down a bunch of chinks.
I'll stop now.
There really isn't that much to the game. Killing people is basic, though entertaining. Soundtrack is fantastic. Driving is fun and losing cops is 'evener' better. Your environment constantly changes. And most of all, They don't rip off The Godfather. I don't advise buying Mafia II, hell no! I made that mistake. Hire it out instead and spend the money on food and electrity, unless you (still) live with your parents.
 

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Bud the Wise said:
Quick question, who is that one guy in each of the new ZP videos? I have no clue who he is nor was it ever explained but it is a real face of some dorky guy in each of the new videos.
Does this [/forums/jump/18.182077.5394427] answer your question?
 

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Nice for entertainment, but like most of the reviews for this game, not really a review.

Think of it like going into Zelda: Wind Waker and critiquing it on it's puzzle abilities because it had a sliding puzzle. It gets a 6/10 because the puzzle was simple and there was only one. Reservoir Dogs gets a 4/10 because it's a shitty action movie. Machete gets 5.5/10 because it didn't hold up as a romance film. Get my drift?

Same idea when you critique Mafia II based on its open world environment and limitations. It's a simulation game, not a sandbox game. It simulates the life of Vito, a gangster in 1940s and 50s America. You want side missions? Why would Vito be doing side missions? He's a made man. Like hell is he racing around, doing dirty jobs for someone other than who he's told to do jobs for, or doing pretty much anything else. I'd say the trash compactor and robbing grocery stores is kind of lame in that respect; it should have only been included in that one mission where you have to get $27k.

As I usually say when I post a comment on these videos, I wouldn't mind so much if people took the "reviews" as what they are: entertainment. But the problem is that there's much more sheep on this site that take these as fact than there are people who can think for themselves.
I think the problem here is that the game felt like a sandbox game. Looked like a sandbox game. Was made similar to other games that were sandbox games. But wasn't one. However short of an interview with the designers of the game one wouldn't know that ahead of time. Thanks for calling people sheep though. Ya know that's always nice.
 

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I know Yahtzee thought the scenery boring, but I think it's rather nice and a great step forward from the brown and grey bland-o-vision of the general FPS genre. Indeed, it's a perfect setting for a rampage style game, which must be why you can't do a bloody thing in it. They wouldn't want you to fuck up their hard work.

I want to request that sandbox games stop featuring driving sequences. Without a real driving interface, the cars invariably control like pile of bricks on a skateboard. Even the racing games that specialize in driving suck balls without a race wheel. Likewise, the mouse is not an appropriate control for fighter planes (harking back to the BF1942 days).
 

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Huh... my Godfather gave me an Erector-set, but after a year I lost a Quaker of all the pieces and all I could build was a Trolley :(
 

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Lol, dont mean to be a wiseass here but on every forum ive seen before this review, anybody talking about mafia 2 said "Well not sandbox game has to be non-linear" and defending it with stuff like that, and now people are saying "totally agree, the game was meh." or "the game was shit".

Talk about being a little hypocritical.
 

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I don't know if anyone else did it, (or if he even read it) but I messaged him 10 days ago telling him to review it.
 

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Dave Green said:
I don't know if anyone else did it, (or if he even read it) but I messaged him 10 days ago telling him to review it.
Welcome to the escapist, and since your new here, you shouldn't know that it takes about 3 weeks after he makes a review for it to actually to be posted.
 

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Extra props to Yahtzee this week for referencing "Bugsy Malone". I watched it as a kid and thought it pretty cool what with the mobster-setting being played out by kids (one of whom was Scott "Chachi" Baio!)


I played through the demo a couple of times and rather liked how it felt, that you weren't the super-soldier type (despite coming from a soldier background, if I recall correctly) so you couldn't just stand there taking bullets in the face all day. Cover-fire seemed decently done and, again, since I didn't want to be killed outright seeking refuge behind chest-high walls & pillars seemed the smart thing to do. I'll wait to pick this one up, though, as it didn't grab me enough to pay full-ticket for the ride (and I did find the hidden Playboys a bit senseless, do we get to see any nude characters in the game or just the Playboy bits?)
 

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Haha, interesting.

The problem /w Mafia 2 for me was also the random ending. Didn't like it at all.

That said, my brother liked the game as a whole
 

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Nice "Return to Blue". I didn't even notice the transition until I looked at the ZP Videos list directly.

A criminally-centric sandbox game...hmm. I think I've seen this before!

Methinks the only reason we see so many criminal-centric sandbox games is to remove most ethical/moral consequence as a result of the player going on a rampage.

"License to kill" = "License to Lunacy"?
 

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Does anyone else find it ironic that Yahtzee's complaining about cover up systems has become as boring and repetitive as the systems themselves?
 

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Haha, I love the way you ended it :D I found the last review funnier but it was still pretty hilarious.
 

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Funny video! Count me as one of those who like to witness Yahtzee give a game he dislikes the boot.

I have only played through all of the original Mafia on the Xbox but lost interest in this sequel. Mafia II seems to follow its predecessor in never actualizing a full sandbox game which I thought was one area that could have made the game much better, even if it simply meant the "free roam" mode was improved beyond killing gangsters. While I'm glad that they seem to have kept with having the focus on narrative, I found that the first game suffered because a mission was a mission, but there was no "down time." It would be great to have the opportunity to explore and interact more with the game world, but I do not think just driving home to fall asleep for the next progression in plot hits the mark.

I will just content myself with my experience with the first game because I am one to have a very limited interest in the vast amount of Mafia gangster stories. Avoiding the "Crime doesn't pay!" lesson is also something that I approach games for in the first place.
 

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Don't know if this has been said before, I'm too lazy to read 160+ replys... But i am surprised Yahtzee hasn't reviewed Amnesia: The Dark Descent this week o_o
 

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This was my reaction from beginning to end.


LOLOLOLOLLOLOLO FUCK OFF!

What the hell about the newish combat mechanic. Yes we know about the gunplay and the cars, that's to be expected from any shooter these days not to mention Mafia, which never seemed to stray far from it's shiny cars. But what about the one button dodge, the next swing thing! What the hell man? Yathzee! You're getting lazy!

I remember vids when you'd pay more attention to the mechanics of the game then just repeatedly highlighting the obvious stuff.

I know I'm just a random comment from some person you'll never meet and I have about as much say in the order of things as a dust mite, but I expected a bit more. REMEMBER YATHZEE, you have power in the world of the gaming industry, you could be working to move it in a better direction. Don't be shy to use that power.
 

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I liked how mafia 2 ended, it was perfect because if it had kept going I would have been yelling at the cutscene to end to I could shoot everyone and SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER. Ending it there was the ultimate sign of powerlessness, you CAN'T do anything.
 

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I agreed with most of this review, although I have to say I was surprised not hear him mention

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

the mission where the house and cars and clothes you've spent the whole game accruing gets taken away from you -- leaving you and Vito both running around in slack-jawed rage, going "MOTHER-FUCK, my STUFF!"

I thought that was an incredibly effective story-based manipulation of my emotions, and I really applaud the Mafia II team for the idea. Sure, it's been done in RPGs and things before, but you always get your things back. Here, it came pretty late in the game, and because of how it coincided with the 'things can't make you happy' theme of that area in the plot, it was very effective.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER


And I absolutely LOVED hearing Vito so frankly go, "Yeah, you know why I did all this shit? MONEY! You know why I wanted all that money? TO BUY CLOTHES AND CARS AND A BIG HOUSE TO FUCK HOT WOMEN IN!!!" I thought that was very ballsy, unique, and kind of hilarious to have a blatantly materialistic main character, and to connect me with the drudging, hoarding, senselessly violent grind of his life.

But overall, still a pretty poorly-thought-out game . . .
 

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Bud the Wise said:
Quick question, who is that one guy in each of the new ZP videos? I have no clue who he is nor was it ever explained but it is a real face of some dorky guy in each of the new videos.
Does this [/forums/jump/18.182077.5394427] answer your question?
Yes, yes it does. Okay now that makes sence. I spent quite some time thinking it was like his best friend or his gay lover or something.
 

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Ironically this review actually gave me more interest in the game then I had before. The fun bits do actually sound like a lot of fun.
 

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Not a fan of the linear narrative then. Oh well, each to his own I suppose. It's better than a corridor game though, you have to admit.

Bonus points for the Bugsy Malone reference, btw...
 

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Well, I'm not hearing him blasting about horrible controls, responses that seem random each time the same button gets hit, or anything like that, so the game can't be all bad.
 

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Ironic Pirate said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
BlueInkAlchemist said:
It seems that Yahtzee has run afoul of Candleja
You're doing it wrong!

You have to completely utter Candlejack before you can cut out adru
Does it really matte
Christ, you really showed how much you don't know about Candlejack when you did that. You have to say Candlejack before you can get kidna
 

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ah how nice, found this video right after I saw RoosterTeeth's video about how many times Mafia II drops the f-bomb...(200x) lol sweet
 

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I've seen one story where someone joins the mafia and everything is hunky dorey. Although it was a Japanese story and their view on organized crime is directly relatd to how many katanas are pressed against thier anus.
 

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I've been looking forward to this review, but there are two points that disappointed me.

1. You do not get pulled over and cited for running red lights or stop signs in Mafia II. However the police did do that for the original Mafia I for the PC. This feature was removed in the PS2 and Xbox ports...because....well I guess the developers didn't think much of console gamers.
2. I'm disappointed after your memorable Uncharted, Farcry 2, 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand and Resident Evil 5 reviews that you didn't mention anything about the game's blatant racism. For a long time developers have pussyfooted around this issue, to the point where the only reason that Nazis are bad guys in games was simply because they were assholes. To have racism addressed in video games such as this and the recent Red Dead Redemption and Ballad of Gay Tony seemed like a breath of fresh air.

This focus on authenticity was actually my favorite part of the game, and this made the segment of the story taking place in prison my favorite chapter. I'm Chinese-American and played this next to my best friend who is African American, and laughed at all the lines like "Dem moolies are animals all dey do's is smoke dope and kills each otha." or "A Chinaman? Lemme get him a step ladder and dis'll be a fair fight." However there were some cringe worthy points which me think that the developers weren't portraying racism from another era but instead being racist in this era.

It's surprising that an Italian American group were the only ones incensed enough by this game enough to denounce and protest it. It is true that the game perpetuates the stereotype of Italian people as gangsters, but it does this with other groups as well. And unlike the other groups, Italians are shown in a three dimensional light where they walk all facets of life. With this taken into mind, every black and Irish character is written as a savage brute with diminutive intelligence and every Asian speaks Engrish, is short and is untrustworthy.

Whenever a black character spoke "************" and "cracker" were the most commonly used words, and their speech was exaggerated to the point where I half expected them to ask "Where dems white wimmins at?" or sing about watermelon. After defeating a Chinese inmate in a prison brawl his "Dai Lo" remarks in silly laughable Engrish "Oooh dis not happin, if he yoos tiga style!" After completing a mission where you massacre a Chinese restaurant you gain an achievement called Chop Chop [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_stereotypes_in_comics#Chop-Chop]. These moments made me wince, and the knowledge that immature teenage boys will be reciting them on Xbox Live for years to come made me shudder. However in a game that takes place during Jim Crow, segregation, the height of Klan Power, the holocaust, the Red Scare a non-respectable portrayal is better than avoiding one.

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But otherwise your points were...on point. The game is very linear and all the driving segments from mission to mission are boring. In the first game you had plenty of side missions and a free roam game, to pass time. Here driving is just a chore.

The first game received a share of criticism that the realistic depiction of the clunky cars made before power steering, fiberglass and polymers were introduced into car design made the driving no fun. Though I did not agree with that, I did see that having the speed limit at 40mph everywhere including on freeways, highways and uphills was indeed annoying. But at least the driving was easy to do. In Mafia 2, I don't know what happened. Getting from point A to point B without getting into a serious accident is next to impossible. Every car handles as if the tire treads have been scraped off, the road lubed with margarine and the airbrakes filled with water.

For those unfamiliar, the game first starts off in the winter, where the roads are slick with ice and sprinkled with generous servings of snow. I had first thought that the lousy driving was simply due to the loss of traction due to slick roads. But once that passed I was proven wrong. The driving experience never improved. The slight tap of the A or D key on the PC or the analog stick on the PS3 sent the car into a 90 degree angle.

The first Mafia's realistic but easy to handle car mechanics was a joy to an OCD inflicted person like me. I would follow all the rules of the road from following the speed limit, not tailgating, turning your wheels toward the curb when parking on a slope, parking eight inches from the curb, and using the turn signals (which sadly you can no longer do in Mafia 2. In the first game you could use the signals only by using your turn buttons. There was an actual push to add a dedicated turn signal buttons to the game, which I see was not only dismissed by the developers but opposed with the total removal of the player's turn signal. Drives then were then a breezy cruise, now they are a dreaded nuisance where I pray I won't wreck my ride and have to pay for damages or steal a new car then be chased by the coppers.

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The game's save system, is all sorts of fucked up. Instead of segmenting each gameplay change and location of a chapter the chapter selection features just one chapter as a whole, making you play the whole thing right from Vito waking up in the morning. And there were times where I did the tedious chore of driving from one side of town to another to reach objectives, completing said objective to drive to another side of town to complete another, wherein something pressing in reality comes up and I quit the game thinking I would start again in my current location. When I restart the game and click on "Continue Story" I see that it loads the very beginning of the chapter with Vito waking up.

If a game doesn't allow you to save on your own whim, they should autosave after the completion of an objective!

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Good review although it was cut ---
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
Is it odd that my favorite part of an open world game is driving around listening to the radio?

Even in Saint's Row 2, I find that the most entertaining part of the game...
I have the perfect game [http://drift.ijji.com] for you.
 

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I finished the game. It was good, but it could've been great. That's all I can say.
 

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Man ,I love zero punctuation.
Ben Croshaw is the wittiest game reviewer I ever heard.
I wish I could cram so many words in a sentence and talk talk talk until heads explode.
respect!
 

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Just like Yahtzee predicted the entire story with pinpoint precision before playing it, I predicted Yahtzee would skull**** this game into oblivion.
 

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Doesn't GTA1 convey the message that crime does pay though? I never got through to the ending, but if that's the case then just remaking it would ironically take the sandbox mafia game to a dimention that's so old it's new ag
 

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Firstly Goodfellas was based on a true story back when that meant something, so it's not exactly like they custom made the ending to tell a moral tale.

Secondly, didn't it end with the main character doing a monologue about how shit normal life is and that he will go back to crime the chance he gets because it's just that much better?
 

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Yeah the only thing that really keeps me playing this game is the shooting people. And the playboy masturbatory material.
 

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DanHibiki said:
Firstly Goodfellas was based on a true story back when that meant something, so it's not exactly like they custom made the ending to tell a moral tale.

Secondly, didn't it end with the main character doing a monologue about how shit normal life is and that he will go back to crime the chance he gets because it's just that much better?
 

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Did anyone else here yahtzee say N***er at 1:29?????

OT: great review. I love the part about the clothing shop standoff.
 

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Well here we go, another week, another video of rapid fire waspishness that is as conducive to deciding whether I might be interested in a game or not as being kicked in the balls would be to helping me stay upright and not collapsing into the feotal position. Let me point something out to you morons that patronize this pretenders "cutting edge breakout" review videos - IF HE'S FUCKING REVIEWING IT, IT'S PROBABLY (read: as certain as I'm never going to drop by Alpha Centauri for tea and scones with the locals) GOING TO COP A FUCKING PASTING!

Seriously, this guys reviews are utterly redundant. Not only does he seem to be permanently disgruntled with anything that isn't Silent Hill 2 or whatever the hell the other game it is that makes him cream his knickers, his 'reviews' lack any information that is in any way relevant or helpful to actually making an informed choice about a game. Which, last I checked, is what a review is supposed to be for!

Now don't get me wrong, I find Yahtzee's videos side achingly funny - his rapid fire, simile drenched vitriol combined with the simplistic yet graphic nature of the accompanying cartoons is a formula sure to tear a laugh from a rock. Sitting at the bottom of a frozen lake. On the moon. In fact, just last night shortly before writing this I think I was laughing so much I woke up my flat-mates as they slumbered in an adjoining room.

While I seriously do enjoy what you do, what I take issue with is the representation of this fine work as review rather than what it is; notably, one mans mission to shout loudly about how he hates everything to come out of a games studio recently and be thoroughly entertaining about it to boot. Listening to your bitter ranting with that slightly British inflection makes me wonder if you're the progeny of a steamy affair between Alan Rickman and a lemon. This of course would be ten shades of freaking awesome, but isn't exactly helpful when it comes to reviewing games.

Never mind that I agree with you on a lot of the points you make in your videos or that I admire anyone who appears to be this volatile and yet hasn't set about murdering people in a brutal and horrific manner. I'd just like something a little more informative, something that makes mention of the elements of the game as well as your impression of it as a whole and rates it. You know, like a proper review? Something a little more even handed and perhaps something with a little more consistency. I mean, if a games a sandbox, you hate it. If it's too linear, you hate it. If it's from Nintendo, you hate it. If it sticks too closely to the conventions of the genre, you hate it. If it doesn't print money and give you a blowjob every night before you cry yourself to sleep, you hate it.
And this is coming from a guy who started out making adventure games with MS paint? Puh-lease, get over yourself! What I'd like to see is you do a better job of creating a modern game (not one whose genre went the way of the dinosaurs at least 15 years ago) under the high pressure conditions that companies do these days without having every other narcissistic whiner immediately rubbish it in order to give themselves an ego inflating hard-on they could have achieved by ducking down the chemist for some Viagra.

And let it be known that at that point if you do I will, quite deservingly, eat my own hat.

In conclusion: Mr Croshaw, you are not, in fact, a games reviewer - you're a gigantic fucking spleen that's been cut open and is currently leaking bile all over the internet. Please stop telling us porky pies to the contrary and just rebrand what you do here for what it is - fiery dark humour that just happens to use games as its sparking point.

And keep up the good work. I do actually thoroughly enjoy it.

See you at Trivia, you pretentious, whiny narcissistic douchebag ;-)


And now, before you rush across to the report button if you haven't already, a snippet from later in the evening...

CHAT PARTICIPANT ONE says:
lol
go to bed old man
CHAT PARTICIPANT TWO (Me) says:
I can't, I'm busy constructing a rambling diatribe to discredit someone who makes a living performing random diatribes.
CHAT PARTICIPANT ONE says:
oooooookay.
 

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ethaninja said:
DanHibiki said:
Firstly Goodfellas was based on a true story back when that meant something, so it's not exactly like they custom made the ending to tell a moral tale.

Secondly, didn't it end with the main character doing a monologue about how shit normal life is and that he will go back to crime the chance he gets because it's just that much better?
DARTH VADER IS LUKE SKYWALKER'S FATHER!
 

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Good review yet again Mr.Croshaw.

I just finished the game recently and the vid was spot on.The game was very linear,with barely any sandbox gameplay.
 

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Did anyone else here yahtzee say N***er at 1:29?????
"Anyway, Vito and Joe join a Mafia family, get a whole bunch of pretty cars and fast whores, and then everything is lovely forever. Or that could just have been the point where the PCP kicked in."

No, I didn't. (Hell, the text is right there for you to read yourself at 1:37.)
 

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wow! Out little seaside town is finally famous enough to be part of a Yahtzee joke!? Blackpool must really be moving up in the world!

Great review as always.
 

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I was sure he would complain about the Vehicles :p As they're worse than GTA 4's and he complained about them too. I guess I was wrong.

Dx Clairvoyance is limited to a few.
 

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Police actually don't go after you for running red lights. One of the many flaws in their programming.

wooty said:
I'm still perched on the fence about whether to buy this one or not, and this review hasnt really helped me to jump to either side.
Rent it, definitely rent as opposed to buy. It will last you about 1-3 days depending on how long you play and has absolutely no replay value beyond achievements.

It's fun, but short and has nothing outstanding.
 

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I like how Yathzee is still entertaining to watch and listen after all these reviews, another great review to brighten my otherwise dull week. Keep on the good work Yathzee!
 

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I'm sorry but can someone explain all the candlejack jokes? I feel like I missed out on some new internet fa
 

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i liked the ending...... and the bit when u were running around in thundercats boxer shorts... but that was about it.....
 

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DanHibiki said:
ethaninja said:
DanHibiki said:
Firstly Goodfellas was based on a true story back when that meant something, so it's not exactly like they custom made the ending to tell a moral tale.

Secondly, didn't it end with the main character doing a monologue about how shit normal life is and that he will go back to crime the chance he gets because it's just that much better?
DARTH VADER IS LUKE SKYWALKER'S FATHER!
 

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Not evertything has to be fun :| No seriously, Yahtzee seems to have decided "fun" means "general enjoyment" yet he complains about anything for "not being fun" unless it's instant gratification COD deathmatch ... or something like that, you know what I mean.

... oh and in no way shape of form am I defending Mafia II. The first was pretty good, M2 was ... haha, not fun XD
 

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Where does your line for wacky fun and instruction for a sandbox game lie?

While your critizing this game for pulling you along by a fish hook, while Just Cause 2 didn't have enough instruction to have a point.

I am not accusing you of anything, but a little clarity on how to balance out "I do my own thing" vs. "What do I need to do sir?" would be helpful for both your viewers and all the game companies that hold your tarnishing of their years of work in five minutes as the freaking words of God.
 

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It was ok but not what I would expect it to be.

I didn't play the new game as I have played the old one - yep the old one had a bit of weakness around the whole not so sand box game but for me it was one of the best games. great scripts great feeling great storyline funny full of action varied missions and of course the "extreme" missions after finishing the game :p

Now as for the new game i was always wandering if they should have made a new one. do you really need to bring another game if the game is successful even if the guy in the last game is dead ?!

To be honest for the new game i wanted only a better sandbox game not between missions but for the fun afterward :) so now after hearing this i am not sure what to think.
should i bother playing it... is it just another mafia themed game ? or will it ruin the name of its predecessor ?
 

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Niko I mean Vito and his fat friend Roman I mean Joe...
Yeah the game seemed really good, but I didn't think it was too much like GTA IV, which disappointed me. I've seen Mafia stories before, and I've seen sandbox games done right before. If they could have varied the story a little and let you do more it would have been amazing, otherwise it's just the good game it is now.
 

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ewhac said:
EightGaugeHippo said:
Did anyone else here yahtzee say N***er at 1:29?????
"Anyway, Vito and Joe join a Mafia family, get a whole bunch of pretty cars and fast whores, and then everything is lovely forever. Or that could just have been the point where the PCP kicked in."

No, I didn't. (Hell, the text is right there for you to read yourself at 1:37.)
I just watched it again today, yeah I must of been hearing thngs. In fairness I was a little drunk last night.
 

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I loved the Blackpool part because I'm from Blackpool XD.

Great review. But I'm still getting mafia II because I loved mafia I and I'm a fanboy of 2kgames XD
 

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For once, I watched a video expecting Yahtzee to spurt out the same opinion that I have about the game; seems most viewers here have.

Oh, and cops don't stop you for running the red light in Mafia II.
 

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Quite a positive review considering Yahtzee hates cover-based shooters. But then again this is a game that demands use of cover and it is fitting with the setting.
 

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I just looked up Bugsy Malone how on earth did I miss this gem.
oh and great video
 
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I liked this game but I was disappointed in the lack of free roam and lack of free roam type missions. Also the CPU's seemed quite suicidal, not caring if they died as long as they overran you.
Great vid again Yahtzee
 

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Another fine bit of game-savaging; well done.

And here's an actual conversation between myself and my fiancee Sabrina:
Sabrina: Did he review Halo: Reach?
Me: No, he did Mafia II this week.
Sabrina: Well, can you make the suggestion?
Me: I won't need to; there are probably about fifty thousand wankers(*) out there that have made that exact same suggestion.
Sabrina: So, will he do it then?
Me: I don't know, he's not exactly known as a Halo fan.(**)
Sabrina: But I still want to see what he'll say about it!
Me: We KNOW what he's going to say about it! He's going to TRASH it!
Sabrina: So?

(*) - Note the use of Yahtzee-appropriate terminology here.
(**) - UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY.
 

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You know how much you love Silent Hill 2, Mr. Croshaw? Try "Amnesia: Dark Descent" on Steam. I dare say it's scarier.
 

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Is it odd that my favorite part of an open world game is driving around listening to the radio?

Even in Saint's Row 2, I find that the most entertaining part of the game...
I'm sort of in that boat. I love playing around either a) Role playing, or b) Test-Driving cars in a manner which I am glad I didn't pay for them. However, SR2 and M2 are exceptions to this rule for me. SR2 because it's horribly optimised and/or the driving mechanics are incredibly bad. M2 because I hated all the Music. Yes, it's relevant to the time sure, but the songs don't get any better with age. [By that I mean both I don't really like it, and the repetitiveness is annoying as all hell.]

Anyways, loved the ZP this week and pretty much summed up my feelings. Especially at the end, also I was disappointed when the video ended so abruptly. :(

Mafia 2 engaged me until the story abruptly ended. There is literally nothing at the end. Why the hell couldn't they have unlocked the world for free-play after the story?
 

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This review was kind of a downer after that masterful trashing of K&L last time. There wasn't any passion in this one. I don't think he really disliked the game too much. It almost feels like he doesn't get paid unless he craps on a game, but when he doesn't really hate something it shows, and results in a rather lame episode.