I agree... It sounds like this game doesn't spoon feed you, which actually makes me more intrigued to play it. I've grown rather tired of rpg games holding hands with you and it sounded to me that all he was doing was whining because his hand was cold.Jandau said:Worst ZP in a while. Can essentially be summed up as "I think PC gamers suck and I don't posses basic cognitive functions or an atention span longer than 5 seconds". I know ZP isn't supposed to be taken seriously, but this one just rubbed me the wrong way...
In some way, shape, or form, everyone who is a gamer has, and almost all of them will never realize it.Lizmichi said:Not everyone plays D&D.
Bioshock is one f the best game I ever played, actually. Easy, bad incredibly good.Fullmetalfox said:I didn't call PC gamers "Elite". I called PC elitists "PC elitists".Gametek said:I want to see the reaction when this game is portrayed on the Xbox, actually. You know, I prefer that the consol noob [ehy, it is you that call "elite" the pc gamer] decided that for them self, after having actually tried it out.Fullmetalfox said:I think this video was spot on. Well done. Another Great ZP.
PC gaming is cool but PC elitists are pathetic and they are the reason why The Witcher 2's developers made such horrible design choices. Its clearly made for them! They think having to read a big ass manual is the same as depth. They think bad design is the same as challenge. Well you get what you ask for.
Enjoy your steamy pile of crap!
Not all PC gamers are arrogant elitist pricks. If that was the case, I would have given up on PC gaming a long time ago.
Btw, This game would suck on consoles too. The difference would be that most console gamers wouldn't try to defend it because they have higher standards than PC elitists who just want every design aspect except graphics to stay stuck in the late 90s. Isn't that the reason most of you people piss on Bioshock while infinitely praising System Shock 2? lol
Mind if I ask you why you think it is a good episode when many things Yatzhee mentions are just wrong or are obviously the result of him not even trying to play the game?azriel2422 said:Though its probably not as much fun to agree with you every week...but another great episode. One of the best in my opinion
Would the knowledge that all cutscenes in the game are, in fact, skippable change your opinion on the particular issues of cutscenes?Lizmichi said:Look I don't agree with everything Yathzee says. The fact is I didn't not like the game and I do agree it was a bit too complicated and if cutscenes are too long then yes it would be nice to be able to skip it. Now I ask you to respect my feelings on the game as I have respected yours.Ixal said:Please don't dodge teh question.Lizmichi said:If it's confusing then it's not well made I'm sorry but if I have to read a cotext to know what I'm casting then someone needs to rethink the names. I also agree with him not liking the Witcher 2. In old RPGs had a hint to what element you're casting.Ixal said:You agree with Yathzee that the Sign names are too complicated and should have been named "fireball"?Lizmichi said:As I said he has a right to feel what he feels. I don't think he handled it poorly, I don't like ether of The Witcher games so I agree with Yahtzee.predatorpulse7 said:I don't think anyone is protesting against Yahtzee's opinion, just at the manner in which he arrived to it.Lizmichi said:Oh yes yes burn Yahtzee for disliking something. It's not his job to like a game, it's his job to tell you what the game did wrong and why he didn't like it. He hated the Witcher so I'm not surprised he hated the Witcher 2. I honestly didn't like the Witcher at all so I guess I need to hang.
Guys it's ok for someone to dislike something you like. Why should what others think of something matter if you like it. That's fine really it is. I don't go after others for liking the Witcher or hating Dragon Age 2. I love Dragon Age 2 and I know that allot of people don't agree with me and that's fine. My point is let Yahtzee think what he thinks, you can disagree with him but god please people calm down.
Basically he ran it on a s**t computer(which is funny since my ancient Nvidia 9600 GT does fine on low settings), sucked big time at it(probably didn't use any strategy other than hack and slash, a by-product of playing too many dumbed down console games me thinks) and tried to hide it by having a go at the PC crowd to make himself look cool and save face at the same time.
His review shows everything that's wrong with many gamers today. I've been mostly a PC gamer for the better part of a decade, though not exclusively PC obviously. Witcher is in no way a complex game to learn, the only thing complex about it is its intricate storyline with many endings and such but it's not like this hasn't been done already.
To come here and read that some players:
-don't know how to use bombs in combat.
-don't know which sign does what(it's explained in the freaking journal).
-don't know why Geralt doesn't gulp potions during combat.
-don't know why we have a silver sword and a steel sword.
-don't know how to skip cutscenes.
-don't know what strategies and oils to use against particular monster(again, the freaking journal - see grapeshot with nekkers).
And so on. Gaming is becoming more and more dumbed down when a game like Witcher 2 is considered "difficult". It's only a bit challenging in certain sections but 90% of it is a freaking breeze on normal difficulty. And this is coming from a guy who isn't exactly a hardcore gamer.
Or do you just agree with his verdict "Witcher 2 is bad" but don't even care about his arguments? Have you even played TW2 so you can come to a conclusion if the points he raised are correct or not?
I have played both Witchers and I didn't like ether one, I couldn't finish both of them and I will admit that but if I can't enjoy the game I will not like it. I still stand by my point of not liking the game. It seems we're at a standstill.
DO you agree with Yathzee that for example remembering what the "Aard" sign does or looking it up in game is too complicated?
Do you agree with him that cutscenes can't be skipped?
I almost find it hard to believe you're serious but then I see these opinions and judgements quite frequently on these forums and I realise you are in fact in earnest.Fullmetalfox said:I think this video was spot on. Well done. Another Great ZP.
PC gaming is cool but PC elitists are pathetic and they are the reason why The Witcher 2's developers made such horrible design choices. Its clearly made for them! They think having to read a big ass manual is the same as depth. They think bad design is the same as challenge. Well you get what you ask for.
Enjoy your steamy pile of crap!
Thing is, Yathzee didn't really "pick apart" the game as most of his points are either completely wrong (all cutscenes can be skipped, no idea why he says they can't) or his own fault (I don't want to remember the effects of 4 spells, I don't want to open the in game journal and read what they do).azriel2422 said:He is going to pick a game apart if he can, and that doesn't make it a bad game.
That can actually be answered very easily by the story's lore.Ixal said:The only thing I can agree with him is that potions can't be drunken mid combat (but that hardly is game crippling as depending on your playstyle there are not that many different options which make sense for you).
I do know that, having played Witcher 1.bob1052 said:That can actually be answered very easily by the story's lore.Ixal said:The only thing I can agree with him is that potions can't be drunken mid combat (but that hardly is game crippling as depending on your playstyle there are not that many different options which make sense for you).
The potions are highly toxic (i.e. 3 potions poisons you and nearly kills you), deadly to humans even, and requires meditation for a Witcher to down them. The books give Geralt a couple of hours, the game lets you do it instantly so long as you are meditating.
I would venture to guess he does this quite often, with the amount of things on his table, he probably does not give all games a fair shake as it were. That being said, again I don't think he gives true "reviews" of games, and I don't really think he ever has. This is a video game-web based-comedy/review of games and if its something he can exaggerate or turn into hyperbole he will...and thats what makes it funny. He has verbally destroyed games like Bioshock 2 and a ton of sequels that frankly are fun games, but thats not the point of his show (again, in my opinion). I honestly think he probably left those things out that you agreed with solely because he could not write a funny enough joke to fit in to the show.Ixal said:Thing is, Yathzee didn't really "pick apart" the game as most of his points are either completely wrong (all cutscenes can be skipped, no idea why he says they can't) or his own fault (I don't want to remember the effects of 4 spells, I don't want to open the in game journal and read what they do).azriel2422 said:He is going to pick a game apart if he can, and that doesn't make it a bad game.
There are a lot of shortcomings in the game Yathzee could have picked up like the wonky targeting or the frequent texture appearing right in front of you. I would have understood and agreed with jokes abot those things. Why he had to resort to making things up or joke more about his own shortcommings (but still make it look like it is the games fault) I don't know.
But I guess when you haven't played the game you don't notice how wrong Yathzee is this time. I wonder if he does this often...
This.bob1052 said:Would the knowledge that all cutscenes in the game are, in fact, skippable change your opinion on the particular issues of cutscenes?
Pretty much everything Yahtzee mentioned with the exception of pure opinions (eg "I don't like how this feels") are uninformed and just plain incorrect.
Fun fact, according to pretty much all tracking sites, they already outsold the streamlined Dragon Age 2 on the PC market. I hope that this will also happen on the XBox when it is released there.archont said:They could have made this game easier, simpler, more lulzy, more accessible. They'd make a killer profit.
Yahtzee hasn't been credible in a very long time. I recall him flat out lying in Monster Hunter Tri just to substantiate his hatred. His "reviews" are good for laughs and little else, but if you want objectivity, you'd be best served elsewhere.sobaka770 said:If you haven't played or finished Witcher 1 you will obviously need to read up on lore and signs, and swords. I wonder why Yahtzee was actually wondering about the two swords, does it mean he actually didn't make it to act 2 in the first game? That's kind of sad. Seriously though, if you start with ME2 or DA" without playing the first parts, you would also feel a bit lost. So all of that "I don't know who the characters are" comment line is just stupid.
Also, that was a very biased review. Made this game sound worse than DA2 which is an impossibility and for no good reason. And probably will defend this stance in Extra Punctuation, oh, how sad. Hopefully that's a one-time thing.
And people wonder why they get called elitists. Let me summarise your post: 'no one should have an opinion about this game unless they can afford the kind of monolith that runs it comfortably and they only talk about the 'real weak points', of which there are none, therefore every review will be a shining 10/10.'Ixal said:He is free to dislike it from the start, but then he should either not review the game at all, especially when he doesn't even have the hardware for it, or be professional enough to complain about the real weak points of the game instead of just making things up (cutscene skipping) or not even bothering to actually play the game (sign names, etc.)Lizmichi said:Oh yes yes burn Yahtzee for disliking something. It's not his job to like a game, it's his job to tell you what the game did wrong and why he didn't like it. He hated the Witcher so I'm not surprised he hated the Witcher 2. I honestly didn't like the Witcher at all so I guess I need to hang.
Guys it's ok for someone to dislike something you like. Why should what others think of something matter if you like it. That's fine really it is. I don't go after others for liking the Witcher or hating Dragon Age 2. I love Dragon Age 2 and I know that allot of people don't agree with me and that's fine. My point is let Yahtzee think what he thinks, you can disagree with him but god please people calm down.
I do not like DA2, but if I were like Yathzee, I would complain about "How should I know that cunning makes you crit harder"? And "No one told me what those icons above the enemies heads mean when I hit them with certain attacks" (Status effects that can be used to set up combos) or "Potions have cooldowns? That is dumb!".