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Top 5 Games of 2014

This week, Zero Punctuation takes a look at the top 5 best and worst games of 2014.

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Haven started Alien: Isolation a few days ago as well as playing through Wolfenstein: The New Order I'm delighted to see them appear (on whatever list they happened to be on because spoilers).

I think I like the good interval thing best of all, the homage to that one particular Let's Drown Out was all the joy in the world I needed seeing as it never ceased to make me laugh.
 

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Funny how the bottom 3 were all reboots or tie-ins, but I don't think anyone would be surprised by that. On the other hand, the top 3 were also tie-ins or reboots (I think, not sure about Wolfenstein), which is much more interesting.
 

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A worst 5 game list without COD? It's a mircle!

Actually yeah 2014 has be a low point for gaming in general with AAA games shooting themselves in the foot time and again:Looks at destiny:
 

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I'd cringe at the lack of Titanfall on the Top 5, but I think we can all agree that the lack of a singleplayer mode with a story more complicated than "war happens between military and militia" makes it a quadruple-amputee of a game. It's still attractive, but it just can't go on a walk on the beach with you.

For the record, I think I see a trend of me not really getting into 1 game in the ZP Top 5 per year. These games, in chronological order, are: Red Dead Redemption, inFamous 2, XCOM: Enemy Unknown, Papers Please, and Dark Souls. My lack of fondness for them is mostly based on difficulty, except for inFamous 2 on account of lacking a PS3.

Oh, and...
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COME BACK SONIC GENERATIONS! I MISS YOU!
 

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Jman1236 said:
A worst 5 game list without COD? It's a mircle!

Actually yeah 2014 has be a low point for gaming in general with AAA games shooting themselves in the foot time and again:Looks at destiny:
It wasn't an Infinity Ward CoD, they tend to be actually heart felt and bother trying unlike IW's last three efforts, and no Treyarch (and SHG) CoDs have showed up thus far.
 

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Sonic Boom makes me so sad. And the TV Show is halfway fun, to!
The game is just... *sobs*
COME BACK SONIC GENERATIONS! I MISS YOU!
 

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Jman1236 said:
A worst 5 game list without COD? It's a mircle!

Actually yeah 2014 has be a low point for gaming in general with AAA games shooting themselves in the foot time and again:Looks at destiny:
I think COD has long ago joined the ranks of Madden, Legend of Zelda and Bioware plot structure in "well what the fuck did you expect?" They all have their thing, they all have their fans, and complaining about any of them is like complaining that McDonalds hamburgers don't have that home-cooked taste you crave.
 

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The only game I've played on this list was Thief, which makes a little bit of sense. That game came out pretty early in the year and it kind of made me not want to play games for a while.

At least there were games for a top 5 best, even if it all of them "won" by default because nothing that interesting really came out. I honestly though it was going to be a straight-up bottom 5 for this year, but I guess I can be surprised sometimes.
 

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Called it!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.866393-Guess-Yahtzees-Top-5-Bottom-5-of-2014

I guessed all of his Top 5 games, though not in the correct order.

I missed 3/5 of his Worst 5, largely because he hadn't reviewed Sonic Boom then and had forgotten about Spidey/Sacred. What I'm reaaaaally surprised is how he completely ignored The Evil Within. He seemed downright offended in his review.
 

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Man, even when Dark Souls II is getting a reward it gets shit on.

Poor game. It just wants to love us...even if it wasn't as good as the first game.

Also on another note, Shadow of Mordor? Honestly didn't see that coming.

Theif? Really SHOULD have seen that coming.

Overall pretty funny video too. Not a huge fan of making jokes at the expense of fans, but at least some of them here made me laugh with how absurd they were.
 

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I love it! Between this, Jim Sterling's list, and a bunch of others, the general consensus is 2014 was shit and we should all just forget about it.
 

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No I think the real reason you haven't bowed to the east and chanted "All hail Smash Bros." is because we all don't want you to do another retread of the Brawl review. And let's keep it that way, Croshaw. You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?

Like you did this entire video anyway?!

Can't really argue with anything in the video other than that though. Solid lists overall.
 

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*Screams internally about Yahtzee shitting on Smash Bros*

*Speaks calmly despite internal screaming*
Aside from that, nothing on this list I really disagree with on an individual level (His shots at Final Fantasy/JRPG fans during the LR entry kinda grinds my gears a little, but hey, it's Yahtzee).

The "YES! ALL OF THIS! IN MY FACE!" part made laugh harder than I should've, but then again, most ZP videos usually have one moment like that.....
 

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LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
 

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Dragonheart57 said:
Funny how the bottom 3 were all reboots or tie-ins, but I don't think anyone would be surprised by that. On the other hand, the top 3 were also tie-ins or reboots (I think, not sure about Wolfenstein), which is much more interesting.
Wolfenstein is technically a sequel to the previous couple of games. There's some characters that have shown up in previous ones, and events have been referenced.

And it's so bloody good.
 

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I remember playing Dishonored after its release and thinking "this feels like a weak Thief Mod". Then I played the Thief reboot and thought "this feels like a weak Dishonored Mod". I pretty much quit right after the asylum level (which might as well have been called "Cribbing the Cradle" given the Thief: Deadly Shadows level it was obviously trying to invoke) because I had a feeling I'd just finished the best part the game had to offer.

Also, I'm surprised that Jack Bauer of Mordor got the top spot, but I suppose looking at the new things it brought to the table, it's an understandable choice.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
Funny considering that Smash Bros. is neither.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
Implying that Smash Bros. 4 was a objectively bad or boring game
 

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Im shocked you didn't give the worst game of the year to Sonic Boom.
Everyone seems to be hating on that game saying its even worse than Sonic 06.
 

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You know Yahtzee not everyone who likes Smash Brothers likes it for the nostalgia, some people just enjoy the mechanics.

I grew up on the Playstation franchises and I bought Smash Brothers Melee because I heard good things about it and I thoroughly enjoyed it. To give you an idea, I had no idea who Samus was when I first played the game (or Captain Falcon or Ganondorf)
 

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Yahtzee rubbing his face on that big-ass cracked me up and TV made my day.

Wolfenstein: The New Order is on sale on Steam right now... if it weren't for the absolutely massive download (50GB?! The entirety of GTA V's game world fit on two DVDs; what could you possibly be keeping in there?) I might consider the $20 price tag to be worth getting it now rather than waiting for the next sale. As it is, I think I'm going to have to wait until I've moved someplace with a much faster Internet connection and upgraded to a 2TB hard drive. Also I still haven't played Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which I probably should get around to doing.
 

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LordTerminal said:
Funny considering that Smash Bros. is neither.
And what's funny is Nintendo clearly had the most interesting software this year between stuff like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros., etc while the newfangled "next-gen" consoles with their shiny new IPs floundered for one reason or another. It just goes to show that a lot of the time the young upstarts are just that: upstarts who are second bananas for a reason. Often it's the old masters who bring things forward, proving why they're in charge and the upstarts should stick to serving coffee for awhile.
 

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Aiddon said:
LordTerminal said:
Funny considering that Smash Bros. is neither.
And what's funny is Nintendo clearly had the most interesting software this year between stuff like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros., etc while the newfangled "next-gen" consoles with their shiny new IPs floundered for one reason or another. It just goes to show that a lot of the time the young upstarts are just that: upstarts who are second bananas for a reason. Often it's the old masters who bring things forward, proving why they're in charge and the upstarts should stick to serving coffee for awhile.
With the exception of Smash, wouldn't this just mean that we should stick to refining old ideas rather than just giving old ideas new names?

Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors and Mario Kart 8 didn't exactly do much new, just tried refining what was already fine. Not exactly the best attitude to have especially in a new console generation.
 

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Yeah, Shadows of Moredoor(s) was really great!!!! ;)
The review too, incidentally...

Crappy shoe year too, mate.
Thanks for now 8 years (almost) of a weekly laugh.
Got me through some very, very tough times and I always wanted to tell you that.

For real.
I rewatch episodes every night to relax before bed...

Yes, I'll stop being a bit creepy now.
 

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Aiddon said:
LordTerminal said:
Funny considering that Smash Bros. is neither.
And what's funny is Nintendo clearly had the most interesting software this year between stuff like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros., etc while the newfangled "next-gen" consoles with their shiny new IPs floundered for one reason or another. It just goes to show that a lot of the time the young upstarts are just that: upstarts who are second bananas for a reason. Often it's the old masters who bring things forward, proving why they're in charge and the upstarts should stick to serving coffee for awhile.
No offense, but all the interesting stuff above are sequels.
And not just part 2 either; MK 8, Dynasty Warriors 8 or 9, SB part 4 AND 5...

Also not really doing anything too new as far as I can gather from reviews either.
One might even wonder if expansion packs in the old days would not contain the same level of new stuff as these sequels.
 

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Not at all surprised that Thief got the number worst game spot. Considering how hard he is for the original, and how extremely bitter he was in the review, it makes sense that it's his least favourite.
 

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The way the top and bottom games were portrayed was perhaps the most confusing way Yahtzee has displayed them. I would have preferred to see them all at one time in relation to one another. This video in general was a bit on the confusion side but I suppose he was just fitting it all into one spot.

I've got to watch it a second time to be sure of what I saw or missed.

EDIT: Ok, after watching it a second time I guess that makes sense. You top-hatted beautiful bastard, you. Haha.
 

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If Wolfenstein:TNO wasn't on the Top 5 list, I would have been severely disappointed. Thankfully Yahtzee shares my liking for the game too. It's a game about killing world-ruling Nazis, yet it makes me feel guilty for vaporizing them with a laser gun. The morality of it screwed with my head the entire way though, but that made killing the morally-bankrupt final boss all the more delightful. Having completed it yesterday, it has definitely earned a spot in my top 10 games list.
 

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I knew Yahtzee liked Wolfenstein:TNO before, but now I really got interested in playing it and it's on Steam sales. ...Unfortunately since I live in Germany it turns out the only version available here is completely butchered and locked to mediocre German voice acting on top.
 

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Jman1236 said:
A worst 5 game list without COD? It's a mircle!

Actually yeah 2014 has be a low point for gaming in general with AAA games shooting themselves in the foot time and again:Looks at destiny:
Well I'm not surprised. CoD is just white noise, its the highest mark in the bell curve, if CoD had a name it would be James Smith and he'd live in a large metropolitan city and have 2.5 kids. Its not interesting to anyone worth a damn in Games criticism besides clickbait for the review or perhaps Devs wanting to see the secret of how to get their own steady IV drip of money. BUT its not bad, just very well polished to its slightly blemished dull beige.
 

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Naming Thief the worst of the year is fine by me. I got it on sale despite what I'd heard and got maybe 3/4 of the way through it before I couldn't take it anymore. I hated that game. I hated how generic and grim it was. I hated how arbitrary some of the time I got caught seemed. I hated the stupid QTEs to open windows and move beams to move from one part of the "open" world to the other. It was boring and I uninstalled it without ever looking back once.
 

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LordTerminal said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
Funny considering that Smash Bros. is neither.
That is of course your opinion. There are a lot of people who think otherwise. But even if it's neither bad or boring, there's nothing much new to it to call it Best Game of the Year. Probably the reason why he didn't pick Bayonetta 2, a game he ostensibly enjoyed, but felt essentially "more of the same".
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Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
Implying that Smash Bros. 4 was a objectively bad or boring game
Bender has laughed so hard at so many things at everyone's convenience, it's become rather meaningless :) Case in point:

 

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Evonisia said:
With the exception of Smash, wouldn't this just mean that we should stick to refining old ideas rather than just giving old ideas new names?

Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors and Mario Kart 8 didn't exactly do much new, just tried refining what was already fine. Not exactly the best attitude to have especially in a new console generation.
Well, then be prepared for that attitude to persist for the indefinite future, because there is a 90% chance that it's going to stay that way. This is what happens when designers try to rely on brute force instead of actual designing and lateral thinking. Destiny, Sunset Overdrive, Watch Dogs, The Crew, Drive Club, Knack, basically every attempt to try and sell the new generation has failed for one reason or another. It just goes to show that a new name doesn't mean much when your lack of competency shows through in the final product.

Kenjitsuka said:
No offense, but all the interesting stuff above are sequels.
And not just part 2 either; MK 8, Dynasty Warriors 8 or 9, SB part 4 AND 5...

Also not really doing anything too new as far as I can gather from reviews either.
One might even wonder if expansion packs in the old days would not contain the same level of new stuff as these sequels.
And....? They're sequels, but yet those still held my interest a helluva lot more than all the other stuff coming out. Sure, they stick to the same established skeleton that they always have, but that's like complaining that sharks haven't really evolved in the past million years; no need to improve that much when you hit it out of the park from day one.
 

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daxterx2005 said:
Im shocked you didn't give the worst game of the year to Sonic Boom.
Everyone seems to be hating on that game saying its even worse than Sonic 06.
The thing about Sonic and Spider-Man is that they had already been in bad games, but the Thief trilogy kept its acclaim.
Actually, I think people still agree that Sonic 06 is still the worst. Sonic Boom is more bland, but at least it wasn't ruined by load times, sudden deaths, no auto-saves, and an undertone of bestiality.
 

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Jman1236 said:
A worst 5 game list without COD? It's a mircle!

Actually yeah 2014 has be a low point for gaming in general with AAA games shooting themselves in the foot time and again:Looks at destiny:
CoD was actually not shit this year. It could even have been good if they didn't fuck up the matchmaking 2 weeks after launch and the netcode wasn't written by a dyslexic 10 year old.

But 2014 was far from a low point. Sure, AAA sucked, but smaller devs and indies more than made up for it. In fact I can't remember a year with so many awesome releases: Wolfenstein, Shadow of Mordor, Shovel Knight, South Park, Divinity Original Sin, Wasteland 2, Transistor, Titanfall, Hearthstone and probably a few others I'm missing right now.
 

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I've always found it very unfair for Zero Punctuation to put Final Fantasy XIII and Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII on the top 5 worst list when he's only played 3-5 hours of said games each. You can't know what an RPG is about in said 3-5 hours story wise, character development wise, combat wise, or atmosphere wise.

It's really stupid to do that. FF13 was a decent game and while LR was only passable, neither deserved to be on that list. If you look at the games on said countdowns, all of those other games were pretty broken in every regard.
 

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KingdomFantasyXIII said:
I've always found it very unfair for Zero Punctuation to put Final Fantasy XIII and Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII on the top 5 worst list when he's only played 3-5 hours of said games each. You can't know what an RPG is about in said 3-5 hours story wise, character development wise, combat wise, or atmosphere wise.

It's really stupid to do that. FF13 was a decent game and while LR was only passable, neither deserved to be on that list. If you look at the games on said countdowns, all of those other games were pretty broken in every regard.
If an RPG (or frankly, any game) bores or annoys you to the point that you don't want to play it past 3-5 hours then yes, that is a completely valid complaint. You do realize that 5 hours is two full length movies, right? If a game can't be interesting or have something to grip you in two movies worth of time, then it's perfectly fine to mark it down.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Using my own joke as a reply, hilarious, you should do stand up some time, my friend

Johnny Novgorod said:
That is of course your opinion. There are a lot of people who think otherwise.
Define "a lot". The majority of reviews has praised the game, perhaps you could provide us some links to some negative reviews to represent the large number of people you claim say otherwise. Not to say everyone will like SSB4, that's impossible, but considering you like to give the impression that most people thought the game was bad, allow me to give the same reply you gave to LordTerminal: That is of course, your opinion.
 

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tilmoph said:
KingdomFantasyXIII said:
I've always found it very unfair for Zero Punctuation to put Final Fantasy XIII and Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII on the top 5 worst list when he's only played 3-5 hours of said games each. You can't know what an RPG is about in said 3-5 hours story wise, character development wise, combat wise, or atmosphere wise.

It's really stupid to do that. FF13 was a decent game and while LR was only passable, neither deserved to be on that list. If you look at the games on said countdowns, all of those other games were pretty broken in every regard.
If an RPG (or frankly, any game) bores or annoys you to the point that you don't want to play it past 3-5 hours then yes, that is a completely valid complaint. You do realize that 5 hours is two full length movies, right? If a game can't be interesting or have something to grip you in two movies worth of time, then it's perfectly fine to mark it down.
Movies and RPGs are completely different. Movies are just two hours to 1.5 hours long due to the fact that you don't control what happens in a movie, and you just watch what happens on the screen. Plus character development is very simplified in movies as well (the characters in the LOTR books are far more developed than their movie counterparts).

It's not valid to just say "I know exactly what is happening in 40 hour RPG when you have only played 5 hours". That is 1/8th of the time that is needed to understand what is going on, why that is happening, what the characters journeys are like and how does the game play.
 

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Honestly, I got the feeling that Thief was just Yathzees Fanboy being mad, nothing else.
 

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[quote="KingdomFantasyXIII" post="6.867855.21719699"

Movies and RPGs are completely different. Movies are just two hours to 1.5 hours long due to the fact that you don't control what happens in a movie, and you just watch what happens on the screen. Plus character development is very simplified in movies as well (the characters in the LOTR books are far more developed than their movie counterparts).

It's not valid to just say "I know exactly what is happening in 40 hour RPG when you have only played 5 hours". That is 1/8th of the time that is needed to understand what is going on, why that is happening, what the characters journeys are like and how does the game play.[/quote]

So you think 5 hours isn't enough time to introduce the mechanics and characters in an RPG? Of course movies are simplified, but they can still produce engaging stories in that time span. RPGs can and do as well. Final Fantasy Tactics introduces the Job system, the main characters, a narrative arc, and a variable amount of the prologue in the first 5 hours. Baldurs Gate 2 Gives a character intro to several companions, gives you time to explore the various class skills and abilities, and has you doing some sidequests (complete with side stories) in the first 5 hours. Alpha Protocol has had you go through the opening mission hub, develop your character, and given you a chance to engage in the dialogue tree and seen how the relationship system works.

None of these gave you everything, or even close to everything, narrative or mechanics wise in the first 5 hours, but they have given enough to give you a solid idea of the stories tone, the main characters, and the mechanics. If after 5 hours an RPG hasn't given something to hook you in, that is terrible design. Obviously, narrative and mechanic heavy games like RPGs are going to need a long time to really open up and give you the meat of the story and systems, but 5 hours is more than enough time to present the player with the information they need to know if continuing for another 35+ hours is really worth it.
 

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Both #1s surprised the hell out of me. Shadow of Morder #1? I was expecting Saints Row 4. And Thief the worst game? I'd just kind of forgotten that one and didn't remember Yahtzee heaping stealing piles of hatred-infused shit on it at the time (although that said, I'd better go back and rewatch that review now).
 

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Lightknight said:
The way the top and bottom games were portrayed was perhaps the most confusing way Yahtzee has displayed them. I would have preferred to see them all at one time in relation to one another. This video in general was a bit on the confusion side but I suppose he was just fitting it all into one spot.

I've got to watch it a second time to be sure of what I saw or missed.

EDIT: Ok, after watching it a second time I guess that makes sense. You top-hatted beautiful bastard, you. Haha.
I've watched it several times now and I'm still confused, what is it?
 

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Tiny bit disappointed Dragon Age wasn't there, since it was my runaway GotY. But I guess it's not really his thing. SoM, Alien and DS2 were undeniably great. I'm going to have to play Wolfenstein at some point.
 

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KingdomFantasyXIII said:
Movies and RPGs are completely different. Movies are just two hours to 1.5 hours long due to the fact that you don't control what happens in a movie, and you just watch what happens on the screen. Plus character development is very simplified in movies as well (the characters in the LOTR books are far more developed than their movie counterparts).

It's not valid to just say "I know exactly what is happening in 40 hour RPG when you have only played 5 hours". That is 1/8th of the time that is needed to understand what is going on, why that is happening, what the characters journeys are like and how does the game play.
Except it's completely valid because if a game does not grab you within four hours than clearly jack shit is happening. Heck, with some games that's half their running time. It gave him nothing to grab onto; no interesting characters, no underlying mystery, no interesting world to explore, nothing. Contrast this with previous entries in the series; within the first hour of FFIV you're given a clear task (go to village to deliver something), got introduced to some interesting characters in Kain, Cecil, and Rydia, and also have a surprise twist (why would someone burn said village to the ground/my country is up to something). FFVI was much the same way, giving the mystery of the Espers, having Terra and Locke set out on a journey to meet with the resistance, and of course seeing an interesting world filled with fascinating characters. And FFVII starts off with you blowing up a reactor. Exciting, but you're also learning about the setup (you again all-powerful, evil corporation) and learn a few things about Cloud and the people he's with (he's an ex-SOLDIER).

FFXIII does nothing so competently or interesting. It's just stuff happening, except we have no context for the stuff happening, mostly due to shitty story-telling as evidenced by vital exposition being relegated to an in-game dictionary instead of woven into the narrative properly. If a game's opening is so crap that it's painful than better to just chuck it instead of hoping it'll magically get better.
 

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So you think 5 hours isn't enough time to introduce the mechanics and characters in an RPG? Of course movies are simplified, but they can still produce engaging stories in that time span. RPGs can and do as well. Final Fantasy Tactics introduces the Job system, the main characters, a narrative arc, and a variable amount of the prologue in the first 5 hours. Baldurs Gate 2 Gives a character intro to several companions, gives you time to explore the various class skills and abilities, and has you doing some sidequests (complete with side stories) in the first 5 hours. Alpha Protocol has had you go through the opening mission hub, develop your character, and given you a chance to engage in the dialogue tree and seen how the relationship system works.

None of these gave you everything, or even close to everything, narrative or mechanics wise in the first 5 hours, but they have given enough to give you a solid idea of the stories tone, the main characters, and the mechanics. If after 5 hours an RPG hasn't given something to hook you in, that is terrible design. Obviously, narrative and mechanic heavy games like RPGs are going to need a long time to really open up and give you the meat of the story and systems, but 5 hours is more than enough time to present the player with the information they need to know if continuing for another 35+ hours is really worth it.
Hilarious examples. Here are some actual good examples of the whole "knowing 5 hours of a RPG and therefore you know the solid idea" does not work:

Persona 3 and Persona 4. You have no idea all the characters that are introduced, no real idea of the combat system, no idea what the mystery of the story is going to revolve around and no idea what challenges await you. It takes 75-80 hours to finally figure everything out.

Kingdom Hearts 2: Dude it takes 5 hours to get through Roxas's story. Hell, we never even touch on Sora's story in that point of time (save for flashbacks of KH1). What is Organization XIII? What are the Nobodies? Why is Roxas "half of Sora"? What is the game mechanics that will hook you in? How come the Seeker of Darkness is back? Why does Diz want revenge against said Organization XIII? What challenges lie in Sora's journey? Will he find Riku? You won't get those answers in 5 hours

NEIR and Drakengard 3: Both of these games rely on the multiple paths kind of storytelling. The first path is not aways the right path. Plus as you go through each path, you uncover the hidden mystery behind all of them. Characters from one path might not show up in another and could later on act differently due to the path's different story. Plus gameplay mechanics are also hidden within each road to keep the games fresh.

See what I mean? 5 hours does not equal "I understand"
 

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Shadow of Mordor was just excellent, I was genuinely surprised because I hadn't payed any attention to it till a couple of days before release, then bought it day one and have barely put it down since.

Im currently finishing off Farcry 4 for the 2nd time and then I have Inquisition sitting under the browning xmas tree just waiting.

2014 wasn't so bad.... but while the opportunity presents...

Destiny sux as I predicted and escapist promoted the shit out of it..... (Nelson voice) HA HA!
 

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Naming Thief the worst of the year is fine by me. I got it on sale despite what I'd heard and got maybe 3/4 of the way through it before I couldn't take it anymore. I hated that game. I hated how generic and grim it was. I hated how arbitrary some of the time I got caught seemed. I hated the stupid QTEs to open windows and move beams to move from one part of the "open" world to the other. It was boring and I uninstalled it without ever looking back once.
I lasted about 10 minutes, twice, then gave up and traded it the next day. It was a crime on the game industry.
 

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Movies and RPGs are completely different. Movies are just two hours to 1.5 hours long due to the fact that you don't control what happens in a movie, and you just watch what happens on the screen. Plus character development is very simplified in movies as well (the characters in the LOTR books are far more developed than their movie counterparts).

It's not valid to just say "I know exactly what is happening in 40 hour RPG when you have only played 5 hours". That is 1/8th of the time that is needed to understand what is going on, why that is happening, what the characters journeys are like and how does the game play.
Except it's completely valid because if a game does not grab you within four hours than clearly jack shit is happening. Heck, with some games that's half their running time. It gave him nothing to grab onto; no interesting characters, no underlying mystery, no interesting world to explore, nothing. Contrast this with previous entries in the series; within the first hour of FFIV you're given a clear task (go to village to deliver something), got introduced to some interesting characters in Kain, Cecil, and Rydia, and also have a surprise twist (why would someone burn said village to the ground/my country is up to something). FFVI was much the same way, giving the mystery of the Espers, having Terra and Locke set out on a journey to meet with the resistance, and of course seeing an interesting world filled with fascinating characters. And FFVII starts off with you blowing up a reactor. Exciting, but you're also learning about the setup (you again all-powerful, evil corporation) and learn a few things about Cloud and the people he's with (he's an ex-SOLDIER).

FFXIII does nothing so competently or interesting. It's just stuff happening, except we have no context for the stuff happening, mostly due to shitty story-telling as evidenced by vital exposition being relegated to an in-game dictionary instead of woven into the narrative properly. If a game's opening is so crap that it's painful than better to just chuck it instead of hoping it'll magically get better.
1. FF4 only introduces the characters, but it does not develop them. The lack of development and only showing the archtype does not make good characters.

2. The task of "Go to a Village to deliver something" is not the main storyline and lacks any form of connection to the major plot points. It only shows "Government bad, you are good". You would never have guessed that Golbez was Cecil's lost brother, that Cecil came from the moon, and that the main villain (Zemus) is trying to get his lunar brethren to populate the planet.

3. FF6 gives you the mystery of the Espers but does not explain why it's a mystery. you have to play farther in order to understand what is going on with the Espers and why they are important. Same thing with FF7. You would never have guessed all of the plot twists from just the first 5 hours. It takes more than that to understand what is going on.

4. FF13 did set up these mysteries as well: What is the Pulse L'cie's focus? Why does Fang have a white L'cie brand? Why does Cocoon and Grand Pulse hate each other so much? Again, questions that will be answered past the 5 hour mark.
 

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Personally my worst game of the year would be Destiny (and it's recent DLC providing the extra salt on the wound) because while not bad in a typical or obvious way like most game it's a more subtle yet more devious kind of suck. Here we had the maiden voyage of a new IP with a well regarded dev studio and a whopping 500 million budget behind it. The trailers and demos of it looked fantastic like a cross between Halo, Mass Effect, and Borderlands. Sure Activision is just as bad if not worse than EA but...hey it's Bungie so it can still be amazing right?

WRONG!!!! Rather than sailing off into the sunrise on golden sails, this brand new IP decked out in bling and marching out to trumpet flare like a king took a few steps off the ramp and proceeded to fall flat on it's face. Even I tried to look the other way and convince myself it would get better. But the more I played the more cracks showed and the deception fell apart revealing the cold truth...that Destiny is a waste of time and money. Sure it looks nice and sounds nice, the basic combat is tight an fun...but that's all! Everything else is so mediocre, missing, or just poorly thought out. The story barely qualifies as a rough draft and requires logging off to read trading cards on a website to get any background info. The combat gets repetitive quickly as your forced into killing the exact same mobs in the exact same missions that never evolve beyond shooting waves of dudes while Dinkle-bot hacks something. PVP suffers from the same grind, balancing issues, and same RNG loot drops that reward afk'ers with epic gear while giving skilled players junk or nothing at all. Everything quickly boils down to a grind-fest for better gear and not even a rewarding grind. When it's preferable to camp the starting zone and farm mobs from a cave rather than do your quests/dungeons then you have really, really fucked up as a game designer. The list of problems could go on for a mile but so many of them could/should have been addressed long before release.

There is just so many features missing and content cut out either to sell later as DLC or to dumb it down for the lowest common denominator it's simply inexcusable. Sure there are tons of shitty indie games on Steam that dare to charge cash for their garbage, but this is a $60+ AAA game made by a team of devs who should know better...that we expect better from. Whatever the reasons behind the scenes it doesn't change the fact that Destiny is an epic disappointment trying to fool gamers into paying more for less. The potential is/was there I can see it in the shallow husk of a game it turned out to be, and that is what makes me so mad at Destiny and Activison/Bungie for squandering that potential as well as our trust in them to deliver a satisfying experience. Even now some part of me wants to love Destiny but I just can't.
 

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Huh. I'm kind of relieved Ubisoft's titles this year didn't make the Bottom 5, but I understand why they weren't in the Top 5.
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Dragonheart57 said:
Funny how the bottom 3 were all reboots or tie-ins, but I don't think anyone would be surprised by that. On the other hand, the top 3 were also tie-ins or reboots (I think, not sure about Wolfenstein), which is much more interesting.
Wolfenstein is technically a sequel to the previous couple of games. There's some characters that have shown up in previous ones, and events have been referenced.

And it's so bloody good.
It was strange to me to hear him compare Wolfenstein:TNO to SO:TL. I don't want to feel bad about killing Nazis, that gets in the way of my fun!
 

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I guess this must be a case of Your Mileage May Vary, because I really enjoyed the Thief game. The ending and final fight were disappointing, but to this day I still like to load it up every once in a while and tour the streets, blackjacking people over the head and pinching their purses. Or just plain replaying some levels and trying to figure out where the hell I keep missing loot.
 

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Why did I know in advance that this thread would be 50% Nintendo fanboys complaining about Smash? You guys really need to get over two things:

1) Not everyone likes Smash. That is actually a thing that is possible, rather than "t3h bi45" against the corporation you've decided to attach your self-worth to.
2) Even if he had adored the game, it couldn't go on the list because he didn't review it.

Like children somtimes - predictable, irritating children.
 

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Kinda surprised Inquisition didn't make it, despite Yahtzee saying it was his favorite Dragon Age.
 

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Sonic Boom makes me so sad. And the TV Show is halfway fun, to!
The game is just... *sobs*
COME BACK SONIC GENERATIONS! I MISS YOU!
Calm thine tits. It's not even like Rise of Lyric is a standard or mainline Sonic platformer. It's a spinoff title whose genre within the platformer heading has more in line with Lego City than most Sonic games. It does have those token boost-pad segments, seemingly in an attempt to say "no, but Sonic MUST BE ABOUT SPEEEEEEEED!", but that's hardly its core gameplay.

Lost World, not Rise of Lyric, is the most recent standard Sonic game. Of course, even that one is kinda "meh" next to Colors, but Colors and Generations were at the tail end of a long line of games that worked on polishing their mechanics, whereas Lost World was experiencing with a new setup. I imagine the next game to use that new set of mechanics it introduced will be able to polish it some more.
 

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I've always found it very unfair for Zero Punctuation to put Final Fantasy XIII and Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII on the top 5 worst list when he's only played 3-5 hours of said games each. You can't know what an RPG is about in said 3-5 hours story wise, character development wise, combat wise, or atmosphere wise.

It's really stupid to do that. FF13 was a decent game and while LR was only passable, neither deserved to be on that list. If you look at the games on said countdowns, all of those other games were pretty broken in every regard.
It's not meant to be a "fair" list though, everybody knows by now ZP is anything but fair, just a lulzy show.

And yes I love FFXIII (points to avatar), but I do find enjoyment in watching Yahtzee rag on it, simply because he's hilarious at it (especially since I actually felt the same way he did for the first 10 hours or so, so I can actually relate to his experience).
 

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Why did I know in advance that this thread would be 50% Nintendo fanboys complaining about Smash? You guys really need to get over two things:

1) Not everyone likes Smash. That is actually a thing that is possible, rather than "t3h bi45" against the corporation you've decided to attach your self-worth to.
2) Even if he had adored the game, it couldn't go on the list because he didn't review it.

Like children somtimes - predictable, irritating children.
Then maybe he shouldn't partake in what can best be described as a childish, insecure taunt. Doing such a thing and then expecting people to not get irritated or call him out on his behavior is akin to mooning someone and then complaining when they call the cops on your ass. Then again, at the end of the day, it really just comes off as sour grapes; pouting that the game is better designed, more critically acclaimed, and more adored the world over despite being pure, unashamed fanservice of the highest order.
 

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I went in expecting to have my jimmies rustled, but they were left undisturbed, so that's good I guess. I also don't get why people are so sycophantically defensive of smash bros. I've played it, I've got it, I even got a couple of amiibos, but I wouldn't put it in my top 5, top ten maybe, but not top 5.
 

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Also on another note, Shadow of Mordor? Honestly didn't see that coming.
Didn't you watch his review? He loved it.
Yeah but there's a difference between loving it and loving it more than anything else that came out this year. I thought Alien Isolation would've taken that prize.
 

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Why did I know in advance that this thread would be 50% Nintendo fanboys complaining about Smash? You guys really need to get over two things:

1) Not everyone likes Smash. That is actually a thing that is possible, rather than "t3h bi45" against the corporation you've decided to attach your self-worth to.
2) Even if he had adored the game, it couldn't go on the list because he didn't review it.

Like children somtimes - predictable, irritating children.
Then maybe Yahtzee shouldn't have said that he was only going to talk about games he played, and then moved on to talking about how shit Smash Bros anyway. And maybe he also shouldn't have directly insulted the fans. I mean, it could've been forgiven if it was funny, but sadly those jokes didn't even get a chuckle out of me. Because they were less jokes and more insults.
 

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Why did I know in advance that this thread would be 50% Nintendo fanboys complaining about Smash?
I've seen a grand total of three people in this thread who positively mentioned Smash Bros. Methinks you just enjoy complaining about it a bit too much.

Kind of glad he didn't review Smash because I can't imagine it being anything he didn't say in his Brawl review but enough about that - decent choices for Best 5 and Worst 5. Kind of impressive just to find a valid Top 5 since this was not a very good year for gaming, but good picks, good games, and good video. Here's to another year.
 

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Movies and RPGs are completely different. Movies are just two hours to 1.5 hours long due to the fact that you don't control what happens in a movie, and you just watch what happens on the screen. Plus character development is very simplified in movies as well (the characters in the LOTR books are far more developed than their movie counterparts).

It's not valid to just say "I know exactly what is happening in 40 hour RPG when you have only played 5 hours". That is 1/8th of the time that is needed to understand what is going on, why that is happening, what the characters journeys are like and how does the game play.
Except it's completely valid because if a game does not grab you within four hours than clearly jack shit is happening. Heck, with some games that's half their running time. It gave him nothing to grab onto; no interesting characters, no underlying mystery, no interesting world to explore, nothing. Contrast this with previous entries in the series; within the first hour of FFIV you're given a clear task (go to village to deliver something), got introduced to some interesting characters in Kain, Cecil, and Rydia, and also have a surprise twist (why would someone burn said village to the ground/my country is up to something). FFVI was much the same way, giving the mystery of the Espers, having Terra and Locke set out on a journey to meet with the resistance, and of course seeing an interesting world filled with fascinating characters. And FFVII starts off with you blowing up a reactor. Exciting, but you're also learning about the setup (you again all-powerful, evil corporation) and learn a few things about Cloud and the people he's with (he's an ex-SOLDIER).

FFXIII does nothing so competently or interesting. It's just stuff happening, except we have no context for the stuff happening, mostly due to shitty story-telling as evidenced by vital exposition being relegated to an in-game dictionary instead of woven into the narrative properly. If a game's opening is so crap that it's painful than better to just chuck it instead of hoping it'll magically get better.
1. FF4 only introduces the characters, but it does not develop them. The lack of development and only showing the archtype does not make good characters.

2. The task of "Go to a Village to deliver something" is not the main storyline and lacks any form of connection to the major plot points. It only shows "Government bad, you are good". You would never have guessed that Golbez was Cecil's lost brother, that Cecil came from the moon, and that the main villain (Zemus) is trying to get his lunar brethren to populate the planet.

3. FF6 gives you the mystery of the Espers but does not explain why it's a mystery. you have to play farther in order to understand what is going on with the Espers and why they are important. Same thing with FF7. You would never have guessed all of the plot twists from just the first 5 hours. It takes more than that to understand what is going on.

4. FF13 did set up these mysteries as well: What is the Pulse L'cie's focus? Why does Fang have a white L'cie brand? Why does Cocoon and Grand Pulse hate each other so much? Again, questions that will be answered past the 5 hour mark.
There are a few things that separate the beginning of Final Fantasy XIII from the rest of the examples and i guess it would be best described as a lack of agency, while the mysteries are also presented in Final Fantasy XIII there is nothing to get more info of except the codex, there are no npc:s to talk to, there are very limited paths to explore, combat takes a long time to become anything but press x to deal damage, item customization takes a long time to get anywhere.

Most of this results in the first 5 to 10 hours to just walking down the corridor while sometimes fighting and sometimes going through flashbacks. There is very little to break the monotony, heck you don't even need to worry about potions or anything as health gets back full after every fight, resulting in even fewer breaks from the initial corridor running. It also takes some time to be able to level the characters, again resulting in the lack of things to keep the player engaged.

It is not valid to say you know everything about the game by that point, but for many it is enough to get completely bored of the game and lose interest.
 

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A worst 5 game list without COD? It's a mircle!

Actually yeah 2014 has be a low point for gaming in general with AAA games shooting themselves in the foot time and again:Looks at destiny:
And Far Cry 4 and Thief and Assassins Creed.
 

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I had completely forgotten about Thief, being reminded of its existence was like an unwelcome kick to the crotch. Seriously, screw that game, it killed any hopes of there ever being a proper continuation of the Thief franchise and for that I'll never forgive it.

Fuck that game.
 

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Fucking hell Yahtzee, I don't even LIKE the new Smash Bros. and I think you're being too much of a dick. You're not even reviewing the thing, and your Top 5 is usually the best video of the year. Is it really necessary to slam not just the game, not just the concept, not just the associated franchise, but even the people who enjoy it? Because this isn't even substantive anymore. It's just repeatedly shouting, "I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT APPEALS TO YOU AND IT IS OBJECTIVELY WORSE THAN WHAT APPEALS TO ME." I was going to make a joke about it on the Shovel Knight video itself, but now I think it would strike a little close to home to say that liking Shovel Knight is making him insecure about his reputation as the master of retrophobia.
 

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Man, even when Dark Souls II is getting a reward it gets shit on.

Poor game. It just wants to love us...even if it wasn't as good as the first game.

Also on another note, Shadow of Mordor? Honestly didn't see that coming.

Theif? Really SHOULD have seen that coming.

Overall pretty funny video too. Not a huge fan of making jokes at the expense of fans, but at least some of them here made me laugh with how absurd they were.

My brain gets so tangled into knots thinking about Dark Souls 2, it's not even funny. I really don't get what happened. The vanilla game is the laziest FROM has ever been on a Souls game, though it's still a better game than most... and then the DLC happened, and with it some of what I'd rank as the best level design in the whole series, memorable tough boss fights... hell, even the music in the DLCs is the best on any souls game... and I'm left scratching my head as to WHY the same level of care was not present throughout the vanilla game, if they upped the ante so much on the DLC.

But regarding Yahtzee, I internally called it that he would include the game on his top 5 as a way to posthumously make justice to DS1, in a fit of Portal Logic. And though I never played Wolfenstein or SoM, can't really argue with his list.
 

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Oh come on guys. We all know he hates Smash Bros. It's old hat by now.

1) Multiplayer is the focus
2) Weak/no story
3) It's an IP-fap game
4) Yahtzee doesn't strike me as a fighting game type of guy, even if it rivaled The Holy Bible in story length.


What I really don't understand is why people want the guy to review games that THEY like, hoping to hear him praise their favorite game, earning smug-points, when it is basically his job to snub his nose at everything and anything. It would be my dream to have the man take a look through my library of favorites just to call it shit and explain in a detailed, eloquent manner why my taste is so shit. After all, it's what we've all come here for, is it not?



As for the growing bitterness over the JRPG issue I've noticed, all I want to say is that the story can take far longer than 4-5 hours to really kick in and develop, yes, but you should be able to get a feel for the game's mechanics within a couple of hours. My favorite example (and a game I would like Yahtzee to rip apart [read above]) is Xenoblade Chronicles. The story is as slow, convoluted, and takes a while to build up pace - all par for JRPGs. What it does better, however, is have what we in the literary world call a hook, something that a lot of JRPGs lack these days. The game sets itself up with the amazing intro, sets you off on your adventure, where you can tinker about the starting town for hours (if you would like to), but can easily begin the real story as quickly as you like. And as soon as you do, things get intense, fast. It's got a fast, great hook that gets you invested in the story, right at the beginning, available within 2 hours, or up to 5 hours if you decide to go side-quest crazy, not after you've been playing for 10, 15 hours. Also, the gameplay is a most more interesting to me than other JRPGs out there, but that's another can of worms.
 

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That's twice in a year that Yahtzee's #1 game is one where the main character is voiced by Troy Baker. Maybe the guy can go for a hat trick next year?
 

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You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
And also Super Mario World and Metroid Prime. I've never bought into the misconception that he's biased against Nintendo, either. He just doesn't like it when game developers rely too much on nostalgia.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
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Using my own joke as a reply, hilarious, you should do stand up some time, my friend.


Good god man, you broke it!

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Honestly, I got the feeling that Thief was just Yathzees Fanboy being mad, nothing else.
To be fair, he is a big fan of the Thief franchise and considering the new game wasn't really that good, the disappointment must have hit hard

Silvershock said:
Why did I know in advance that this thread would be 50% Nintendo fanboys complaining about Smash? You guys really need to get over two things:

1) Not everyone likes Smash. That is actually a thing that is possible, rather than "t3h bi45" against the corporation you've decided to attach your self-worth to.
2) Even if he had adored the game, it couldn't go on the list because he didn't review it.

Like children somtimes - predictable, irritating children.
So 50% now somehow makes up only a couple of people, including myself? Hmmmmm... Plus it's so easy to write people off as "fanboys" and "children" to discredit their opinions and avoid any kind of discussion, isn't it? I don't disagree with the fact that Smash isn't on the list, as you're right, not every one will like the game and he didn't review it, but since Smash had no reason to be mentioned at all, I take offense that it was a shameless insult to get a rise out of the fans.
 

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Shadow of Mordor's nemesis system isn't deceptively simple, it's just plain simple. The main quest of that game told a better story than 'get killed by dude' / 'kill dude' / 'mind control dude' then rinse & repeat, even if the ending was awful and the impact on Middle Earth minimal.

That's not to say that I didn't love Shadow of Mordor, or even the nemesis system, it was just narratively dull. Dragon Age Inquisition is a far better role playing simulator if that's what you're into.
 

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I thought he was relatively gentle to Smash Bros fans. It was also the funniest part of the video: is it just me or is there something inherently funny about wildebeest?


Llarys said:
As for the growing bitterness over the JRPG issue I've noticed, all I want to say is that the story can take far longer than 4-5 hours to really kick in and develop, yes, but you should be able to get a feel for the game's mechanics within a couple of hours. My favorite example (and a game I would like Yahtzee to rip apart [read above]) is Xenoblade Chronicles. The story is as slow, convoluted, and takes a while to build up pace - all par for JRPGs. What it does better, however, is have what we in the literary world call a hook, something that a lot of JRPGs lack these days. The game sets itself up with the amazing intro, sets you off on your adventure, where you can tinker about the starting town for hours (if you would like to), but can easily begin the real story as quickly as you like. And as soon as you do, things get intense, fast. It's got a fast, great hook that gets you invested in the story, right at the beginning, available within 2 hours, or up to 5 hours if you decide to go side-quest crazy, not after you've been playing for 10, 15 hours. Also, the gameplay is a most more interesting to me than other JRPGs out there, but that's another can of worms.
And yeah, you really don't want him to review Xenoblade. It had some really strong points and some really weak points, and I think he's going to talk about one side of that particular coin. Hell, I could spend five minutes on the voice acting alone.

The one I want him to review is Warcraft 3. It was my first game and I'm kind of still in love with it, even though I don't like RTSs.
 

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Oh christ, he mentioned SSB...

Speaking as someone who loved SSB of the N64.
And speaking as someone who loved SSB:M on the GameCube.
And speaking as someone who would probably play the newer SSB games if I cared to own any new Nintendo consoles, can someone explain to me why it seems that so many fans seem to have skin so thin it's practically transparent?

Every fanbase has those who get unnecessarily offended when people criticise it, but it just seems an alarming number of SSB fans go into a full on pissing and moaning meltdown the second anyone dares to dislike it.
 

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I wouldn't necessarily agree Thief was the -worst- game of 2014 on the merits, but I would agree that to anyone who was a fan of the original series, it was the most disappointing.
 

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Both #1s surprised the hell out of me. Shadow of Morder #1? I was expecting Saints Row 4. And Thief the worst game? I'd just kind of forgotten that one and didn't remember Yahtzee heaping stealing piles of hatred-infused shit on it at the time (although that said, I'd better go back and rewatch that review now).
Umm, Saint's Row 4 came out in 2013.
 

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I wouldn't necessarily agree Thief was the -worst- game of 2014 on the merits, but I would agree that to anyone who was a fan of the original series, it was the most disappointing.
I don't know about you, but this is just silly to call it a stealth game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PZbrYVlzzk
 

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Shooting Space Nazi's on the moon was a highlight of the year I must say.
Agreed. A game that you thought could not get any more absurd just went off the charts with the whole "Nazis on the moon" thing and I absolutely loved it to bits.
 

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The White Hunter said:
Shooting Space Nazi's on the moon was a highlight of the year I must say.
Agreed. A game that you thought could not get any more absurd just went off the charts with the whole "Nazis on the moon" thing and I absolutely loved it to bits.
It also made me have heavy feels. Max Hass :'(

Also; the ending kinda sucked.
 

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Holy pissed fanboys Batman! So many people angry about the bit on Smash Bros.



OT: Eh, kinda have to agree it wasn't that great of a year for games. Even the #1 spot he didn't really rave that much about in his review.
 

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President Bagel said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
And also Super Mario World and Metroid Prime. I've never bought into the misconception that he's biased against Nintendo, either. He just doesn't like it when game developers rely too much on nostalgia.
Also being nagged, and fanboys/girls. It's even in his original Brawl review. Of course, it'd be strange to expect people with opinions on his opinions on Nintendo games to actually know what his opinions are. It's almost as if they've said it sight unseen. As if they're *gasp* biased. (Not the same as knowing you wouldn't like the latest Smash Bros sight unseen. Don't even try Nintendo)

He isn't biased against Nintendo. He just dislikes most of their stuff, and in particular, their fans. Unless you really believe he's sitting there, enjoying the game, and then goes, "No. This will not do. Can't enjoy a Nintendo game." and proceeds to brain himself with a Wiimote. 0/10, game is horrible. That'll teach Nintendo for whatever it is people think he has against them.
 

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Arcane Azmadi said:
Both #1s surprised the hell out of me. Shadow of Morder #1? I was expecting Saints Row 4. And Thief the worst game? I'd just kind of forgotten that one and didn't remember Yahtzee heaping stealing piles of hatred-infused shit on it at the time (although that said, I'd better go back and rewatch that review now).
Umm, Saint's Row 4 came out in 2013.
Christ, you're right; and now that I think about it, Yahtzee named it his 3rd best game LAST year. I guess for some reason I was still under the impression that it was a RECENT game. Maybe the Steam release threw me off?
 

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Nice list.

Alien Isolation is on my list. Glad I picked up Shadow of Mordor on the Steam sale just now, but I'm even happier I avoided the Thief game, having been a very big fan of the first two games.

Lovely.

And now to wait for 37 GB of data to download. Oh Mordor-team, why hast thou forsaken your compression skills ? Probably to pay for the blow on the strippers tits at the "we've made a GOOD game in this year 2014 of our spaghetti lord" party.
 

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Ah yes FF13 the game that turned me from rabid Final Fantasy fan boy to I can't be bothered with this anymore.

Yahtzee did the right thing giving up after 5 hours I played for longer and gave up. The plot was rubbish the characters were dull.

Seriously since the FFX every game feels like a step backwards. The plot and world feels more limited in scope. In contrast mainstream western RPGS like Skyrim and Dragon Age feel grander in scope.

FF is dying franchise lost in its own stagnation.
 

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As a big fan of the original thief games, yes I liked deadly shadows, it's kind of sad that I forgot that the Thief reboot was released this year.
 

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Arcane Azmadi said:
step1999 said:
Arcane Azmadi said:
Both #1s surprised the hell out of me. Shadow of Morder #1? I was expecting Saints Row 4. And Thief the worst game? I'd just kind of forgotten that one and didn't remember Yahtzee heaping stealing piles of hatred-infused shit on it at the time (although that said, I'd better go back and rewatch that review now).
Umm, Saint's Row 4 came out in 2013.
Christ, you're right; and now that I think about it, Yahtzee named it his 3rd best game LAST year. I guess for some reason I was still under the impression that it was a RECENT game. Maybe the Steam release threw me off?
It was released on steam the same day as retail (unless you're thinking of the Game of the Century edition).
 

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Anyone else surprised that Evil Within didn't make the bottom five considering how much bile he spewed at it in the review?
 

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Oh come on guys. We all know he hates Smash Bros. It's old hat by now.

1) Multiplayer is the focus
2) Weak/no story
3) It's an IP-fap game
4) Yahtzee doesn't strike me as a fighting game type of guy, even if it rivaled The Holy Bible in story length.


What I really don't understand is why people want the guy to review games that THEY like, hoping to hear him praise their favorite game, earning smug-points, when it is basically his job to snub his nose at everything and anything. It would be my dream to have the man take a look through my library of favorites just to call it shit and explain in a detailed, eloquent manner why my taste is so shit. After all, it's what we've all come here for, is it not?



As for the growing bitterness over the JRPG issue I've noticed, all I want to say is that the story can take far longer than 4-5 hours to really kick in and develop, yes, but you should be able to get a feel for the game's mechanics within a couple of hours. My favorite example (and a game I would like Yahtzee to rip apart [read above]) is Xenoblade Chronicles. The story is as slow, convoluted, and takes a while to build up pace - all par for JRPGs. What it does better, however, is have what we in the literary world call a hook, something that a lot of JRPGs lack these days. The game sets itself up with the amazing intro, sets you off on your adventure, where you can tinker about the starting town for hours (if you would like to), but can easily begin the real story as quickly as you like. And as soon as you do, things get intense, fast. It's got a fast, great hook that gets you invested in the story, right at the beginning, available within 2 hours, or up to 5 hours if you decide to go side-quest crazy, not after you've been playing for 10, 15 hours. Also, the gameplay is a most more interesting to me than other JRPGs out there, but that's another can of worms.
Maybe he would like it better if it had frontal nudity for Lightning. I mean it worked for Thief with that brothel level...actually now when you think about it, Western Gaming nowadays is less hesistant on nudity than Japan.
 

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Oh christ, he mentioned SSB...

Speaking as someone who loved SSB of the N64.
And speaking as someone who loved SSB:M on the GameCube.
And speaking as someone who would probably play the newer SSB games if I cared to own any new Nintendo consoles, can someone explain to me why it seems that so many fans seem to have skin so thin it's practically transparent?

Every fanbase has those who get unnecessarily offended when people criticise it, but it just seems an alarming number of SSB fans go into a full on pissing and moaning meltdown the second anyone dares to dislike it.
I've always thought it was due to a combination of the sunk cost fallacy and a bit of defensiveness regarding Nintendo in general being seen as childish. When you've invested so much time and money on something and people disparage it for any reason, the urge to try and prove that the negative reaction is baseless or flawed rather than even vaguely accurate, as well as proving that you're not just doing something that's 'only for kids,' can easily outstrip any incliation for patience, rationality, or polite behavior.

You see this with video games often enough here, but it can easily show up with fans of animation or comic books as well.
 

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I've been watching Zero Punctuation since it was on youtube and that thing with the comfort zone and the granny was literally the only time I've ever done a double take while watching. Seriously, out of freaking nowhere.
That said: Was 2007 really that great a year? I'm not saying it wasn't, I'm just wondering what other people remember from that time.
 

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Anyone else surprised that Evil Within didn't make the bottom five considering how much bile he spewed at it in the review?
That was kind of surprising; he sounded pissed as HELL in that review, as though he was going to try to find a way to teleport to Bethesda and shove the disc up someone's urethra.
 

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Why did I know in advance that this thread would be 50% Nintendo fanboys complaining about Smash? You guys really need to get over two things:

1) Not everyone likes Smash. That is actually a thing that is possible, rather than "t3h bi45" against the corporation you've decided to attach your self-worth to.
2) Even if he had adored the game, it couldn't go on the list because he didn't review it.

Like children somtimes - predictable, irritating children.
I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to call out Yahtzee on his moronic behavior. For an (supposedly) adult, that childish taunt is nothing but moronic behavior. If you behave like that, you deserve everything you get. Being famous on the internet isn't a get out of jail for free card when you insult a bunch of people. With the number of people he keeps insulting on a weekly basis, Yahtzee deserves more hate than GG and anti-GG combined.

Also please learn to math. 5 people in a 3 page thread is hardly 50%. It's hardly even 10%. For a game that has such an overwhelmingly positive rating from reviewers and user, the amount of people talking in this thread is actually extremely low.
 

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Jman1236 said:
A worst 5 game list without COD? It's a mircle!

Actually yeah 2014 has be a low point for gaming in general with AAA games shooting themselves in the foot time and again:Looks at destiny:
Well I'm not surprised. CoD is just white noise, its the highest mark in the bell curve, if CoD had a name it would be James Smith and he'd live in a large metropolitan city and have 2.5 kids. Its not interesting to anyone worth a damn in Games criticism besides clickbait for the review or perhaps Devs wanting to see the secret of how to get their own steady IV drip of money. BUT its not bad, just very well polished to its slightly blemished dull beige.
Plus CoD this year actually wasn't terrible. It isn't much to say "it's the best CoD in years" but there was some actual goodness happenning. Not enough to elevate it to a top list, but enough to keep it out of the bottom.
 

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Hmm, completely forgot Shovel Knight was released this year. Definitely my GOTY. I really liked new Wolfenstein too and I generally don't like FPS games. Still have to play Shadow of Mordor. Didn't like Alien Isolation. Doing a simple sentry out of an Alien is a travesty if you ask me. Sure it isn't a scripted sentry but still a sentry nonetheless. DS2 I didn't play because voices are telling me it's worse than DS. Maybe I'll pick it up for PS4 when it comes out if they fix performance issues.

As for bad games. I called Thief being the worst game of 2014 when I heard it was going to be released in 2014.
 

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I don't think I played that many new games this year (Dragon Age, Alien, Wasteland 2, and Shadow of Mordor are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head) but of those that I did play, Shadow of Mordor would've been far from my top anything.
It was a painfully boring and generic Arkham City clone. The story was shit, the characters were shit, and the nemesis system was shit too because one generic orc with a randomly generated name walking up to try and kill me was no different than the last thirty I cut through. What a waste of a good license and a talented studio.
 

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Oh yes, "comfort zone" a phrase most used by people who's real meaning is "I'm going to push you around and if you complain its just you not wanting to go out of your comfort zone"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc1s0RwN5iw

The "worst" sound effect reminded me of the line from Landline "the fruit, which is delivered as slurry in a box"
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2014/s4109947.htm

It is easier for me to just watch people play games on Youtube these days, no actually having to buy the game, no waiting for patches and installs and they play all the best bits.

One of my favourite Youtube players is playing a mod for a 3 year old game on "Impossible", something which even the developers advise not to do
https://www.youtube.com/user/Beaglerush

The Twitch campaign for this player is also an "event" and there were a load of viewers hanging around like sad puppies after the mega hailstorm in Brisbane lost power for three days and there was no stream.

I am still enjoying the Shacktac videos and watching multiple versions of the same mission, the main dude has even started taking real life helicopter flight lessons
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dslyecxi

I purchased the triple pack of Bioshock/XCOM/Borderlands and still have not played all the games, too much stuff to do.
 

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President Bagel said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
And also Super Mario World and Metroid Prime. I've never bought into the misconception that he's biased against Nintendo, either. He just doesn't like it when game developers rely too much on nostalgia.
Exactly. He's also not a fan of "holding pattern" games and excessive gimmickry. Whenever he complains about controller gimmickry he's always quick to remind his point of reference for a "perfect" controller is the GameCube's.
 

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erttheking said:
Also on another note, Shadow of Mordor? Honestly didn't see that coming.
Didn't you watch his review? He loved it.
Yeah but there's a difference between loving it and loving it more than anything else that came out this year. I thought Alien Isolation would've taken that prize.
Me too. He praised just about everything in Alien Isolation, whereas the one thing that caught his eye about Shadow of Mordor was the Nemesis System. I would've sworn it would be 1) Alien, 2) Mordor, 3) Wolfenstein or Shovel Knight, etc.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
President Bagel said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
And also Super Mario World and Metroid Prime. I've never bought into the misconception that he's biased against Nintendo, either. He just doesn't like it when game developers rely too much on nostalgia.
Exactly. He's also not a fan of "holding pattern" games and excessive gimmickry. Whenever he complains about controller gimmickry he's always quick to remind his point of reference for a "perfect" controller is the GameCube's.
The fact that he wants Nintendo to go third party is proof enough for me to assume that he doesn't respect Nintendo, no matter what he tells us about his feelings regarding the company's stance towards actual gaming. He likes 6 Nintendo games. He doesn't like Nintendo, he liked 6 games that they released. It's like if a guy said that he likes video games but only played a certain series. He doesn't like video games, he just likes that series of video games.
 

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Guys. Yahtzee doesn't like multiplayer only games. Get. Over. It.

And yes, Final Fantasy 13-3 absolutely belongs on the bottom 5 list.
 

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Ryallen said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
President Bagel said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
And also Super Mario World and Metroid Prime. I've never bought into the misconception that he's biased against Nintendo, either. He just doesn't like it when game developers rely too much on nostalgia.
Exactly. He's also not a fan of "holding pattern" games and excessive gimmickry. Whenever he complains about controller gimmickry he's always quick to remind his point of reference for a "perfect" controller is the GameCube's.
The fact that he wants Nintendo to go third party is proof enough for me to assume that he doesn't respect Nintendo,
Why? Their best games are third party these days. Like Bayonetta and ZombiU. What's wrong with having more third party games on their side?
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Ryallen said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
President Bagel said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
And also Super Mario World and Metroid Prime. I've never bought into the misconception that he's biased against Nintendo, either. He just doesn't like it when game developers rely too much on nostalgia.
Exactly. He's also not a fan of "holding pattern" games and excessive gimmickry. Whenever he complains about controller gimmickry he's always quick to remind his point of reference for a "perfect" controller is the GameCube's.
The fact that he wants Nintendo to go third party is proof enough for me to assume that he doesn't respect Nintendo,
Why? Their best games are third party these days. Like Bayonetta and ZombiU. What's wrong with having more third party games on their side?
Not that he wants Nintendo to have more third party games. That would only do good things for the Wii U, and frankly, I'm in support of it. What I mean is that he said in one of his blog posts that he thinks that Nintendo should abandon the Wii U, the 3DS, and all future plans for consoles, and release ports on Steam. Doing so would only hurt Nintendo, as part of their identity is making games for THEIR consoles. Going third party and making PC games would just make Nintendo another PC gaming company, and severely limit what they make. This post was made a year ago, in 2013, I think, but it's not as if his opinion of Nintendo has increased, what with him still bashing Nintendo and a good portion of their fanbase, if not its entirety. Without even giving any sort of idea what he wants them to do, besides just move to PC games only.

EDIT:Not to mention I think that PC gaming isn't popular in Japan anyways.

EDIT:Here's the link to the article:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/extra-punctuation/11018-What-Has-Nintendo-Done-Right-Lately

As it turns out it was written in February of 2014.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Ryallen said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
President Bagel said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
And also Super Mario World and Metroid Prime. I've never bought into the misconception that he's biased against Nintendo, either. He just doesn't like it when game developers rely too much on nostalgia.
Exactly. He's also not a fan of "holding pattern" games and excessive gimmickry. Whenever he complains about controller gimmickry he's always quick to remind his point of reference for a "perfect" controller is the GameCube's.
The fact that he wants Nintendo to go third party is proof enough for me to assume that he doesn't respect Nintendo,
Why? Their best games are third party these days. Like Bayonetta and ZombiU. What's wrong with having more third party games on their side?
Ryallen is talking about Nintendo ceasing console production and just developing games for other consoles.

Edit: Beaten to it, just ignore this comment :)

OT: I was looking forward to Yahtzee further ripping into Thief, Lightning Returns, and Sonic Boom. I was not disappointed.
 

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Ryallen said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Ryallen said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
President Bagel said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
LordTerminal said:
You're biased against Nintendo and you don't like fighting games so why touch something you obviously aren't going to like other than to deliberately piss people off?
He liked Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Super Paper Mario, EarthBound and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. He's just biased against games that are bad and/or boring.
And also Super Mario World and Metroid Prime. I've never bought into the misconception that he's biased against Nintendo, either. He just doesn't like it when game developers rely too much on nostalgia.
Exactly. He's also not a fan of "holding pattern" games and excessive gimmickry. Whenever he complains about controller gimmickry he's always quick to remind his point of reference for a "perfect" controller is the GameCube's.
The fact that he wants Nintendo to go third party is proof enough for me to assume that he doesn't respect Nintendo,
Why? Their best games are third party these days. Like Bayonetta and ZombiU. What's wrong with having more third party games on their side?

Not that he wants Nintendo to have more third party games. That would only do good things for the Wii U, and frankly, I'm in support of it. What I mean is that he said in one of his blog posts that he thinks that Nintendo should abandon the Wii U, the 3DS, and all future plans for consoles, and release ports on Steam. Doing so would only hurt Nintendo, as part of their identity is making games for THEIR consoles. Going third party and making PC games would just make Nintendo another PC gaming company, and severely limit what they make. This post was made a year ago, in 2013, I think, but it's not as if his opinion of Nintendo has increased, what with him still bashing Nintendo and a good portion of their fanbase, if not its entirety. Without even giving any sort of idea what he wants them to do, besides just move to PC games only.

EDIT:Not to mention I think that PC gaming isn't popular in Japan anyways.

EDIT:Here's the link to the article:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/extra-punctuation/11018-What-Has-Nintendo-Done-Right-Lately

As it turns out it was written in February of 2014.
I agree, while I do love Bayonetta (which reminds me, I need to get the 2nd one) and making some of their games 3rd party might be good, however going completely 3rd party and moving to the PC would be a terrible idea, especially considering how much of a train wreck Steam has become recently. There are many reasons why 2014 was a bad year for games and Steam is one of those reasons.
 

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Lightknight said:
The way the top and bottom games were portrayed was perhaps the most confusing way Yahtzee has displayed them. I would have preferred to see them all at one time in relation to one another. This video in general was a bit on the confusion side but I suppose he was just fitting it all into one spot.

I've got to watch it a second time to be sure of what I saw or missed.

EDIT: Ok, after watching it a second time I guess that makes sense. You top-hatted beautiful bastard, you. Haha.
I've watched it several times now and I'm still confused, what is it?
You have to pay fairly close attention to which slope of the circle they're on. If they're on the upwards slope then they're part of the top five, if they're on the downwards slope then they're part of the bottom games.

Sound effects also somewhat help. Certainly the most confusing of his annual awards videos I've seen.

But I can't honestly say that this year deserved the same kind of attention previous ones have.
 

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Lightknight said:
cojo965 said:
Lightknight said:
The way the top and bottom games were portrayed was perhaps the most confusing way Yahtzee has displayed them. I would have preferred to see them all at one time in relation to one another. This video in general was a bit on the confusion side but I suppose he was just fitting it all into one spot.

I've got to watch it a second time to be sure of what I saw or missed.

EDIT: Ok, after watching it a second time I guess that makes sense. You top-hatted beautiful bastard, you. Haha.
I've watched it several times now and I'm still confused, what is it?
You have to pay fairly close attention to which slope of the circle they're on. If they're on the upwards slope then they're part of the top five, if they're on the downwards slope then they're part of the bottom games.

Sound effects also somewhat help. Certainly the most confusing of his annual awards videos I've seen.

But I can't honestly say that this year deserved the same kind of attention previous ones have.
One would think that the general tone when talking about games should lend a clue as to whether Yahtzee enjoyed it or not...

I agree that Yahtzee is being unfair on Super Smash Bros. Personally I think it embodies the beauty of easy to learn, difficult to master and while I've personally played them on and off since N64's iteration (though I didn't own a Gamecube and only play Wii/U occasionally) I don't really go in for the whole nostalgia schtick yet still enjoy the games...similarly I don't enjoy mash ups* on the basis of them being mash ups but the game is very playable.
As for Yahtzee not liking multiplayer games...well, Smash has got a single player and I play it a lot, it's fun because again, easy to learn, difficult to master. I like me some challenge and Smash can deliver on that.

Granted I kinda hate the competitive scene in Smash Bros. but that's a pretty small complaint...

As for the rest, yeah I agree. I haven't actually played SoM but seen a lot of gameplay from friends. DS2 I freaking love and maintain it is better than Dark Souls, just not wowing me better (I compare it to a slightly worse equivalent of TS2 -> TS:FP, Future Perfect was great but it seemed to be lacking a little here and there. DS2 is similar but even more so).

*beyond the potential for clever/interesting writing or interactions between universes, powers and characters which Smash Bros doesn't really deliver outside of amusing pictures.
 

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I shouted in glee when I saw Shovel Knight on the best list. Then I got some weird looks and was asked to leave the library.

I will never know how much nostalgia the game actually worked off of, but I will know it is the most solid and fairly difficult game I've ever played. At least until my laptop will start to run Dark Souls
 

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...There was nothing on your list on either side I was particularly desired to play.

According to the ad on steam Wasteland 2 won some game of the year 2014. why didn't you mention it? I'm having fun playing it. not thinking I'd have much fun playing your numbers 1-3...
 

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red255 said:
...There was nothing on your list on either side I was particularly desired to play.

According to the ad on steam Wasteland 2 won some game of the year 2014. why didn't you mention it? I'm having fun playing it. not thinking I'd have much fun playing your numbers 1-3...
Do you know how many game of the year awards exist in this world?

Portal won like, 8 when it came out. Winning a game of the year award doesn't automatically make you the biggest talking point of the everything.
 

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At least there were games for a top 5 best, even if it all of them "won" by default because nothing that interesting really came out. I honestly though it was going to be a straight-up bottom 5 for this year, but I guess I can be surprised sometimes.
That's the sad thing, none of these games won because they were awesome and must plays but because they didn't fuck up or do what the rest did, rather bad year even if I think a few were hated more than deserving.
 

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And what's funny is Nintendo clearly had the most interesting software this year between stuff like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros., etc while the newfangled "next-gen" consoles with their shiny new IPs floundered for one reason or another. It just goes to show that a lot of the time the young upstarts are just that: upstarts who are second bananas for a reason. Often it's the old masters who bring things forward, proving why they're in charge and the upstarts should stick to serving coffee for awhile.
I wouldn't call Nintendo's the most interesting, yeah Bayonetta 2 and Hyrule Warriors looks nice and I will get a Wii U for them eventually but the other's don't look interesting at all, just HD reskins of older (if good) games. No different than what CoD etc do.
 

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(whitty name here) said:
Do you know how many game of the year awards exist in this world?

Portal won like, 8 when it came out. Winning a game of the year award doesn't automatically make you the biggest talking point of the everything.
Um...ok.

Meant it came out in 2014 and wasn't s***. like the rest of yatchzee's list. which well, all of it was.

Shovel Knight ...was ironically retro. which is for hipsters. Dark souls 2 is for consolers, and both were shamed by being worse than the top 3 which I can't even remember a day later.

He might as well have put the Final Fantasy in his top 5. for how terrible his list was. I mean he did have a final fantasy game IN his top ten list which is required in any terrible top list to have at least one final fantasy game.

Point was the list would imply that nothing worthwhile came out this year whatsoever.

and he seemed angry about it. and I was just suggesting maybe its because he's playing bad games, not that the games are bad, but did Australia not get Wasteland 2?