What's the appeal of Visual Novels?

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Danganronpa was worse than DB Evolution.
:LOL:........NO!

DB Evolution was having multiple pine cones shoved up my ass while being kicked in the balls with a boot wrapped in barbed wire. I would happily take all of the Danganronpa material over that thing.

You know what, I just remembered, I subscribed to a guy that has all of his playthroughs of the series. He's working on V3 right now. I'll check it out later.
 

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I'm pretty sure most of them are Japanese harem fantasies.
Nope, that's really just one of the genres of visual novel, there's tons of other ones. It's just that the more popular ones tend to have that aspect but they use it kinda like how Madoka uses the magical girl genre, it's a jumping-off point for some real shit.
 

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Books are too boring for me to get into. Even with some background music of my choosing something about pages upon pages of text doesn't do it for me. Manga helps by filling the visual side of things. Visual novels give me a little more to work with above that, having more detailed art and backgrounds, custom made soundtracks that change as events happen or you go to different locations, and some minor level of interactivity as well.
The fact of the matter is that if a visual novel's writing was good to begin with, it wouldn't require visuals. The end result is generally the opposite where the text is a supplement meant to bring your attention towards the visuals, which are most often of a "stimulating" nature so as to attract the interest of the type of people who would be interested in consuming such works instead of an actual book.
 

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The fact of the matter is that if a visual novel's writing was good to begin with, it wouldn't require visuals. The end result is generally the opposite where the text is a supplement meant to bring your attention towards the visuals, which are most often of a "stimulating" nature so as to attract the interest of the type of people who would be interested in consuming such works instead of an actual book.
Interesting analysis. Looking back at the visual novels I've read, I see what you mean.

For me personally though, it's just how my brain is wired to help maintain interest. Even if a book's writing was absolutely stellar, when it's pages upon pages of text that my mind has to fill the blanks with, it just doesn't draw me as easily as a visual medium might. It's been a problem since the early days of schooling all the way into high school. Endlessly long essays and such with no visual stimulus were enough to put me to sleep. But if it was done through video, spoken dialogue, or even just a presentation where the same info is given but in a visual format, it helped it stick in my mind at lot better. It's the same thing with entertainment between books and visual novels/story focused games. There's simply more aspects to the format that help keep my interest better when it's done in a visually stimulating manner, even if its quality might be lesser. It's why I love watching The Outsiders more than reading it, for example, even though I have both the movie and the book and quite enjoy the both of them
 
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The fact of the matter is that if a visual novel's writing was good to begin with, it wouldn't require visuals. The end result is generally the opposite where the text is a supplement meant to bring your attention towards the visuals, which are most often of a "stimulating" nature so as to attract the interest of the type of people who would be interested in consuming such works instead of an actual book.
I guess that makes the stories of movies and t.v. shows and video games utter shit then? This is a ridiculous critique, why is this comment liked so much? And if you don't read VN's then where are you even getting this information from? We have THE INTERNET, have you thought about how much cheaper it is to just look up porn rather than spending money for VN's, many of which won't even have anything "stimulating" for HOURS of text? Do you not understand how bad your argument is?
 

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I guess that makes the stories of movies and t.v. shows and video games utter shit then? This is a ridiculous critique, why is this comment liked so much?
@Martintox never insinuated that. I don't where you're drawing your conclusion from. I'm not a VN guy, but there are VNs with good or great writing, with characters, art style, backstory, and lore. Those are the strengths of that particular medium. But it has it's weakness too, like any other medium. And of course Sturgeon's Law applies as well. Take the time read, instead automatically assuming or putting words in peoples mouths.
 

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@Martintox never insinuated that. I don't where you're drawing your conclusion from. I'm not a VN guy, but there are VNs with good or great writing, with characters, art style, backstory, and lore. Those are the strengths of that particular medium. But it has it's weakness too, like any other medium. And of course Sturgeon's Law applies as well. Take the time read, instead automatically assuming or putting words in peoples mouths.
The fact of the matter is that if a visual novel's writing was good to begin with, it wouldn't require visuals.
He literally says it right here! What are you talking about!?
 

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He literally says it right here! What are you talking about!?
How do you jump to tv, movies,games and books being lesser entertainment with that one sentence? I did not see it as that. I'm not trying to be contrarian, but I never jumped to that conclusion. But you know what, we will wait until @Martintox responds back. If I am wrong, than I am wrong. Does not make what I said in a previous post:

I'm not a VN guy, but there are VNs with good or great writing, with characters, art style, backstory, and lore. Those are the strengths of that particular medium. But it has it's weakness too, like any other medium. And of course Sturgeon's Law applies as well.
 

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I guess that makes the stories of movies and t.v. shows and video games utter shit then? This is a ridiculous critique, why is this comment liked so much? And if you don't read VN's then where are you even getting this information from? We have THE INTERNET, have you thought about how much cheaper it is to just look up porn rather than spending money for VN's, many of which won't even have anything "stimulating" for HOURS of text? Do you not understand how bad your argument is?
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Yeah but these aren't porn games. There is little more than sexual enuendos, and certainly no explicit nudity or sex with them. I feel like if you wanted porn.....just go watch porn. Why add a bunch of reading to your fapping?
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How do you jump to tv, movies,games and books being lesser entertainment with that one sentence? I did not see it as that. I'm not trying to be contrarian, but I never jumped to that conclusion. But you know what, we will wait until @Martintox responds back. If I am wrong, than I am wrong. Does not make what I said in a previous post:
He said if the stories were good enough then they wouldn't need visuals. If the stories of movies were good enough then they wouldn't need visuals either. It's a rhetorical question meant to point out the faults in his logic! Why do you suddenly not understand basic communication?
 

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He said if the stories were good enough then they wouldn't need visuals. If the stories of movies were good enough then they wouldn't need visuals either. It's a rhetorical question meant to point out the faults in his logic! Why do you suddenly not understand basic communication?
I'm too tired to care. So we will save it for another time. And I can understand just fine, thank you. Moving on to other topics.
 

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The fact of the matter is that if a visual novel's writing was good to begin with, it wouldn't require visuals. The end result is generally the opposite where the text is a supplement meant to bring your attention towards the visuals, which are most often of a "stimulating" nature so as to attract the interest of the type of people who would be interested in consuming such works instead of an actual book.
That's completely untrue though. I know this for a fact, too, because I both read books and play visual novels and I enjoy both but I get different enjoyment from each. Both are different and valuable.


Simply put, there's really nothing in book form outside of some light novels (and even those are not exactly right either) that handles storytelling in the same way. By mixing visuals and voice acting with a book-length script you just create a new thing basically and the experience is entirely unique. Being able to control how the story goes and to see a ton of bad endings and what ifs goes a long way to explaining what the personalities of chars are which in a linear medium is really hard to do in a concise way without stopping everything to go down some flashbacks or what have you.


So, to say that a script of a visual novel wouldn't stand up to that of a book is such a big "duh" thing, of course it wouldn't. Would a screenplay for a movie stand up to a book? Of course not. Cause it's meant to be a screenplay for a movie, not a book.

Same thing here, this is meant to be a visual novel, not a book. To simply imply that it's aiming to be an inferior type of book-like something else is just completely elitist and ignorant. It's trying to be what it is and just because people lack the tools to comprehend what that is and default to comparing VNs with books doesn't mean that they're actually trying to be books.



There's this assumption here that the only thing that matters about VNs is the writing or the script, when in actuality that's just true for books, VNs are about the art and audio too. You can't make them just be about the writing and ignore the other elements, they're all part of one whole, if you ignore those elements you're not really consuming the art right and if you compare it to different mediums it won't match up obviously since it's not meant to have as much animation or visuals as a manga or anime nor go into as much depth as a book. VNs reside in the liminal space between those other things.
 

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The fact of the matter is that if a visual novel's writing was good to begin with, it wouldn't require visuals. The end result is generally the opposite where the text is a supplement meant to bring your attention towards the visuals, which are most often of a "stimulating" nature so as to attract the interest of the type of people who would be interested in consuming such works instead of an actual book.
Honestly, not only are visual novels bad literature, they're bad porn.
 
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Nope, that's really just one of the genres of visual novel, there's tons of other ones. It's just that the more popular ones tend to have that aspect but they use it kinda like how Madoka uses the magical girl genre, it's a jumping-off point for some real shit.
I'm pretty sure most of it is porn.
 

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I'm pretty sure most of it is porn.
Nope, inaccurate, already broke it down in prior posts in this topic so read those. Nukige is only one fraction of a greater whole.
 

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:LOL:........NO!

DB Evolution was having multiple pine cones shoved up my ass while being kicked in the balls with a boot wrapped in barbed wire. I would happily take all of the Danganronpa material over that thing.

You know what, I just remembered, I subscribed to a guy that has all of his playthroughs of the series. He's working on V3 right now. I'll check it out later.
Nah, Danganronpa is just that but for 24 hours (according to HowLongToBeat) vs 100 minutes of DB Evolution.
 

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Nah, Danganronpa is just that but for 24 hours (according to HowLongToBeat) vs 100 minutes of DB Evolution.
I just watched a few clips of the first game and the anime adaption, I did not find myself, upset, frustrated, or annoyed. I was laughing my ass when looking at the anime. The dub actors were having a riot speaking these lines. They knew what they were doing and getting in to.
 

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I just watched a few clips of the first game and the anime adaption, I did not find myself, upset, frustrated, or annoyed. I was laughing my ass when looking at the anime. The dub actors were having a riot speaking these lines. They knew what they were doing and getting in to.
The anime adaptation of the first game is legit terribad, the other anime (the one that takes place after the second game) is fine though. But yeah the games are way better overall.
 

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I just watched a few clips of the first game and the anime adaption, I did not find myself, upset, frustrated, or annoyed. I was laughing my ass when looking at the anime. The dub actors were having a riot speaking these lines. They knew what they were doing and getting in to.
The characters are so horrible. They're all cliches to the power of cliche. One guy is a fanfic writer that only likes 2D women.

The anime adaptation of the first game is legit terribad, the other anime (the one that takes place after the second game) is fine though. But yeah the games are way better overall.
I don't understand how the anime can be worse than the game.