Mark Millars Jupiter's Legacy is cancelled....kinda.

[BrawlMan]

DMC could be cool but you'll need some God tier choreography director.

The same team that did Castlevania are going to be the ones working on it. So the fight choreography is going to be fine. They'll do away better job than madhouse. Madhouse is usually great with their animation, and while the animation was fine for the Devil May Cry anime, the action scenes just sucked. It didn't help they got a director who did not understand nor care much for Dante and how nearly everyone was mostly out of character.

Yeah, I don't get the point of half of these. Honestly, the only show I think has a pretty good chance of being worth watching is Cuphead, and pretty much because that is carried by the animation and the aesthetic charm.

I didn't know Cuphead was getting a Netflix adaption? When did this news come out? The first time I heard it is from you.

 

[Dalisclock]

The same team that did Castlevania are going to be the ones working on it. So the fight choreography is going to be fine. They'll do away better job than madhouse. That house is usually great with their animation, and while the animation was fine for the Devil May Cry anime, the action scenes just sucked. It didn't help they got a director who did not understand nor care much for Dante and how nearly everyone was mostly out of character.

In that case I concede it might actually be pretty good. Castlevania had some really well choreographed fights, especially in season 4. I have some knowledge of DMC from youtube videos so I don't have much in the way of expectations beyond that.

I didn't know Cuphead was getting a Netflix adaption? When did this news come out? The first time I heard it is from you.

Netflix sucks at promoting their own projects I guess? I heard about it a year or so ago but I don't think it got a lot of attention. Either that or everyone was depressed/angry as fuck after 3 months in quarantine and the BLM protests were ramping up so that was also drawing a lot of attention, so I suspect it flew under the radar for most people.

Here’s Your First Look At ‘The Cuphead Show’ On Netflix

Take a sneak peek at The Cuphead Show, a new Netflix original based on the super-challenging video game and its old-timey animation.

www.forbes.com

I think the only reason I noticed it was because I occasionally have to look at something other then the world burning down around us to help keep my sanity intact and that drifted across my VG news feed.

 

[meiam]

Yeah, I don't get the point of half of these. Honestly, the only show I think has a pretty good chance of being worth watching is Cuphead, and pretty much because that is carried by the animation and the aesthetic charm.

Assasins Creed already had an awful film and the game storyline has long since ceased to be meaningful in any way, shape or form so I'm not sure why.

I could see assassin creed working if they focus a lot more on the historical aspect and it become more like a series of short story set in interesting historical period with every season set in another period and only loosely connected to each others.

Good to know about DMC, could be good. I doubt they'll follow the game story and will probably do some sort of original story staring Dante.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I watched Jupiter's Legacy, it was fine...except for the costume design and special effects which looked like they were done by youtubers on a budget.

I mean seriously, the moment anyone put on a costume in the show everything just immediately looked fucking awful. Did netflix not give them any money for this thing, or did the people making the show actually think that it looked good? It doesn't look good, it looks fucking terrible.

 

[MrCalavera]

I like me 40k grimdark, but Berserk is grimdark without the sense of irony or self awareness.

I resent the notion that art is obliged to always have some ironic wink wink nudge nudge it's-not-real moments towards the audience, so they won't get too sad.
Yes, we know. Maybe it's the 10 years of MCU, but some of these shticks got tiresome.

Speaking of MCU...

Sure, but there's only room at the top for 1. We have Jupiter's Legacy, which is already alot like Invincible, which is already alot like The Boys, which is already alot like Suicide Squad, which is already alot...etc...
Its why dark gritty rapey fantasy shows were all greenlit during Game of Throne's domination, but have quietly gone quiet.

Nothing stops this cash train, as long as cigars want it rolling. Superheroes aren't planned to be retired anytime soon, so they will be reinvented and repackaged over again. I mean, it's the comic books we're talking about.
Suicide Squad was a huge flop, so we didn't see any new movies doing something similar. But The Boys and Invincible were a huge success, so i'd expect see more like them. Maybe it's the format.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Suicide Squad was a huge flop, so we didn't see any new movies doing something similar.

Was it? We've gotten 2 Suicide Squad movies with a 3rd on the way, and the original won an oscar. It's the Academy Award winning Suicide Squad.

 

[BrawlMan]

Suicide Squad was a huge flop, so we didn't see any new movies doing something similar. But The Boys and Invincible were a huge success, so i'd expect see more like them. Maybe it's the format.

Actually despite the critical reception SS (2016) did more than well at the box office. You can thank the PG-13 rating and the teen crowd for that one. Birds of Prey did average at the box office, but better by a huge margin on DVD/Blu-Ray. Hence why we're getting another SS movie this year.

 

[Baffle]

I mean, it wasn't very good was it? They should make another Bright film, but good this time.

Edit: I think Bright is actually okay, but they could have made a good film out of the Shadowrun world.

 

[SilentPony]

I resent the notion that art is obliged to always have some ironic wink wink nudge nudge it's-not-real moments towards the audience, so they won't get too sad.
Yes, we know. Maybe it's the 10 years of MCU, but some of these shticks got tiresome.

The reason you have to have the wink wink nudge nudge is series like Berserk are so comically over the top, so horrifically horrible with every character being an absolute monster of a human with no morality or hope, just endless bloodshed and violence, that is becomes nonsensical. The "good" characters are every bit as evil as the "evil" characters there's no real difference, and indeed in a lot of Grimdark stories there is no difference. At least in 40k the Imperium doesn't have the self awareness to know burning a billion people at the stake is wrong.
Take Game of Thrones. Its not often people in real life actually say they're the villain of the story and simply embrace being evil for evil's sake. In real life bad people think they're doing good. In Game of Thrones several characters just openly state they're evil now, and they're going to be bad guys. No sense of irony, no nudge to the camera that they know they're in a story, they just go with being the bad guy in a story they don't know they're in.
I think it was ZP's Infamous 2 where Yahtzee complained about moral choice systems, and having a super good and super bad ending, both equally canonical, makes the bad ending nonsensical because deliberating doing the bad stuff for the sake of just being bad isn't how people work or think. And that's grimdark without the irony, nonsensical.

 

[BrawlMan]

The reason you have to have the wink wink nudge nudge is series like Berserk are so comically over the top, so horrifically horrible with every character being an absolute monster of a human with no morality or hope, just endless bloodshed and violence, that is becomes nonsensical. The "good" characters are every bit as evil as the "evil" characters there's no real difference, and indeed in a lot of Grimdark stories there is no difference. At least in 40k the Imperium doesn't have the self awareness to know burning a billion people at the stake is wrong.
Take Game of Thrones. Its not often people in real life actually say they're the villain of the story and simply embrace being evil for evil's sake. In real life bad people think they're doing good. In Game of Thrones several characters just openly state they're evil now, and they're going to be bad guys. No sense of irony, no nudge to the camera that they know they're in a story, they just go with being the bad guy in a story they don't know they're in.
I think it was ZP's Infamous 2 where Yahtzee complained about moral choice systems, and having a super good and super bad ending, both equally canonical, makes the bad ending nonsensical because deliberating doing the bad stuff for the sake of just being bad isn't how people work or think. And that's grimdark without the irony, nonsensical.

Dude, not everything needs to be *wink wink, nudge, nudge* self-aware/"ironic". Nor Deadpool. If everyone started doing that, then the same issues appear, but in a different way. Plus, I would get so fucking bored of it so fast, I would throw myself off the roof to avoid it all. Berserk sure as fuck did not need it, and like I told you before, and it can get much worse with the clones. Ever heard of Redo of Healer? Do yourself a favor and don't look it up, if you want to remain sane. Redo makes Berserk look like a walk through the sunflower field by comparison. Terrible anime/manga that is even more overly edgy and dark for the sake of it.

The tone for Berserk is fine, even if it is not my thing entirely. If it did the wink crap, it would totally thrown the tone off balance. Not every dark fiction can pull that off nor they should. You want that type of self-awareness done well in a dark anime, watch Hellsing Ultimate. Castlevania knew how to balance humor and darkness right without constantly being self-aware. So there you go.

 

[SilentPony]

Dude, not everything needs to be *wink wink, nudge, nudge* self-aware/"ironic". Nor Deadpool. If everyone started doing that, then the same issues appear, but in a different way. Plus, I would get so fucking bored of it so fast, I would throw myself off the roof to avoid it all. Berserk sure as fuck did not need it, and like I told you before, and it can get much worse with the clones. Ever heard of Redo of Healer? Do yourself a favor and don't look it up, if you want to remain sane. Redo makes Berserk look like a walk through the sunflower field by comparison. Terrible anime/manga that is even more overly edgy and dark for the sake of it.

The tone for Berserk is fine, even if it is not my thing entirely. If it did the wink crap, it would totally thrown the tone off balance. Not every dark fiction can pull that off nor they should. You want that type of self-awareness done well in a dark anime, watch Hellsing Ultimate. Castlevania knew how to balance humor and darkness right without constantly being self-aware. So there you go.

Not everything needs a wink, nor did I say that. But Berserk is nonsensically grim and gorey. Its like Tokyo Gore Police, but again, without the irony. Berserk just has nonsensical, irrational people acting irrationally against an irrational universe full of nonsensical grim. Its like Alice in Wonderland, except evil instead of crazy, and again, without the irony.
You can only go so far before the story and characters are meaningless. Its hard to ask an audience to identify with and sympathies with irrational and unlikable characters doing irrational and unlikable things to other irrational, unlikable characters who just have the "evil" nametag on. Guts in any other story would be the supreme evil bad guy. Same with the Imperium of Man and Space Marines. But 40k has that ironic sense of over-the-top that, ironically, keeps its silly grimdark from becoming nonsensical.
And I've seen Redo of a Healer - its a kink show about unlikable people doing unlikable things to other unlikable people, and without even the curtesy to be a porn.

The problem with the super grimdark shows that do take themselves way too seriously is that they're impossible to take seriously, because every human needs to be an over-the-top supreme evil character at every moment of every scene for the unrelenting grim atmosphere to continue, and that gets not only boring, its nonsensical and silly. There's a reason the 90s grimdark era of comics where Batman gets Barbara Gordon pregnant is considered comically nonsensical and stupid.
Also Castlevania was constantly self aware. They were constantly referencing the games, showing off items and levels, Sypha often commented at how stupid and terrible Allucard and Tervor were, which was a direct reference to the early games and their terrible dialogue.

 

[BrawlMan]

Not everything needs a wink, nor did I say that. But Berserk is nonsensically grim and gorey. Its like Tokyo Gore Police, but again, without the irony. Berserk just has nonsensical, irrational people acting irrationally against an irrational universe full of nonsensical grim. Its like Alice in Wonderland, except evil instead of crazy, and again, without the irony.
You can only go so far before the story and characters are meaningless. Its hard to ask an audience to identify with and sympathies with irrational and unlikable characters doing irrational and unlikable things to other irrational, unlikable characters who just have the "evil" nametag on. Guts in any other story would be the supreme evil bad guy. Same with the Imperium of Man and Space Marines. But 40k has that ironic sense of over-the-top that, ironically, keeps its silly grimdark from becoming nonsensical.

Okay, in your opinion about Berserk. As for 40k, aside from the Space Marine game on 360/PS3, I could never get invested.

And I've seen Redo of a Healer - its a kink show about unlikable people doing unlikable things to other unlikable people, and without even the curtesy to be a porn.

Now you're getting it.

There's a reason the 90s grimdark era of comics where Batman gets Barbara Gordon pregnant is considered comically nonsensical and stupid.

No argument there. The Killing Joke "adaption" can go fuck itself too in that regard.

Also Castlevania was constantly self aware. They were constantly referencing the games, showing off items and levels, Sypha often commented at how stupid and terrible Alucard and Tervor were, which was a direct reference to the early games and their terrible dialogue.

Yes, the show had references and some awareness, but did not make it too obvious and had a time and a place for them. They kept it balance without being ashamed of the source, nor showing too little, nor going overboard in a "Member this from the games?!". They had the right balance. There was awareness, but not constant *wink wink, nudge, nudge*. It did not distract the story, characters, or overall narrative. If you the got the references, you got them. If you did not, you would not notice nor be too distracted, because your more invested in the story or characters interacting.

 

[SilentPony]

Yes, the show had references and some awareness, but did not make it too obvious and had a time and a place for them. They kept it balance without being ashamed of the source, nor showing too little, nor going overboard in a "Member this from the games?!". They had the right balance. There was awareness, but not constant *wink wink, nudge, nudge*. It did not distract the story, characters, or overall narrative. If you the got the references, you got them. If you did not, you would not notice nor be too distracted, because your more invested in the story or characters interacting.

It doesn't have to be constant, and I never said it did, but grimdark does need a little wink wink every now and then to keep it from becoming silly. That sense of self-aware eye rolling that 40k has, ironically, makes it much easier to get invested in and take seriously over something like Berserk or Goblin-Slayer(though admittedly I got bored of the anime after like 3 episodes) or Game of Thrones last season that just went fuck it, grimdark story with no heroes, everyone is sad, bad ending, no humor or human gallows humor or levity, just misery upon misery because its mature, and therefore good writing.

 

[BrawlMan]

It doesn't have to be constant, and I never said it did,

Good.

, but grimdark does need a little wink wink every now and then to keep it from becoming silly.

Ymmv. Sometimes, yes, but heavily depends on the writing, tone, acting or voice acting, art style, or what ever is being done in live-action. Some can get it right, while many other can't or won't.

That sense of self-aware eye rolling that 40k has, ironically, makes it much easier to get invested in and take seriously over something like Berserk or Goblin-Slayer(though admittedly I got bored of the anime after like 3 episodes) or Game of Thrones last season that just went fuck it, grimdark story with no heroes, everyone is sad, bad ending, no humor or human gallows humor or levity, just misery upon misery because its mature, and therefore good writing.

And I would take Berserk over all of those shows and 40K. Gobin Slayer had a couple of scenes that made laugh, but the first couple of episodes were just shock value to get people talking or complaining (Mother's Basement) about how you're a horrible person for watching, enjoying, or liking the show. Fuck that fucking hypocrite. He's one of the many anime reviewers I don't trust for a reason. Game Thrones I never found interesting, because I saw Berserk first back in 2007. Like I said before, overrated and never bought in HBO's hype train for a reason. Glad I never did.

 

[Casual Shinji]

The reason you have to have the wink wink nudge nudge is series like Berserk are so comically over the top, so horrifically horrible with every character being an absolute monster of a human with no morality or hope, just endless bloodshed and violence, that is becomes nonsensical. The "good" characters are every bit as evil as the "evil" characters there's no real difference, and indeed in a lot of Grimdark stories there is no difference. At least in 40k the Imperium doesn't have the self awareness to know burning a billion people at the stake is wrong.

That's... not what Berserk is though. Not telling you to like it or anything, but it's not top to bottom awfulness, torture, and rape. The very beginning is when the story is most "grimdark", but even there not every character is an absolute monster. Really only Guts and the two apostles are - everybody else is just kinda caught in the crossfire. And then there's Puck, which if you're looking for wink wink nudge nudge, or a break from the grimdark, that's pretty much his entire purpose. You can dislike his presence, but you can't claim his presence only adds to the edgey grimdark atmosphere.

Then there's the Golden Age arc. Probably one of the largest arcs in the series and the one most fans site as the best part of the story. And while there's the obvious ominous endpoint that hovers over it and a few shocking moments dotted here and there, to say it's all top to bottom hopelessness and grimdark is completely false. Most of it is super relaxed and people getting to know eachother and forming bonds within a medieval war setting.

And if you want the story poking a bit at itself there's the combat violence, specifically evertime Guts really kills anyone or anything. When he's swinging a giant sword while standing in a house, smashing it through the door frame and into a pig monster, that's not to be taken seriously, that's the story going 'look how insane this whole situation is'. It's equal parts epic and funny. Same as when he's riding a horse full gallop with his sword out and whacks an incoming dude on horseback into the air. Even the infamous rapehorse is purposefully goofy. Yes, it's fucked up and shows Miura was a bit to eager to have his demons be rapey, but when a horse with dopey human face says 'how about I mount you' that's not the writer trying to display some deep, profound message, that's them having a bit of fun. And everytime Guts is in battle, apart from a couple of more 'do or die' moments, it's cool and silly on purpose.

If all you've ever read is the starting Black Swordsman arc I can understand you thinking that's all Berserk is, but once that's over, which it is quite quickly, that particular style of grimdark pretty much never returns.

 

[gorfias]

Gracie on Youtube says Jupiter's Legacy was #1 Nielsen rated. It did great. BUT! the suits at Netflix looked at the $200 million price tag, compared it to the $80 million price tag on The Witcher and said to themselves, for $80 million, we can still keep the same subscribers. I thought Invincible and the Boys infinitely superior to J.L. but J.L. was starting to get interesting towards the end. But the show left lots of very loose threads. I'll have to check what went on in the comics.

 

[kikithewiz]

One of the worst adaptations I've ever seen. Netflix should think twice before attempting another superhero series production attempt...

 

[BrawlMan]

One of the worst adaptations I've ever seen. Netflix should think twice before attempting another superhero series production attempt...

As optimistic as that sounds, they won't learn a thing.

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[Agema]

The main problem with Netflix is that they can never stick with any show at a time half the time. Either that, or to keep at jumping trends like Mexicans jumping beans.

And yet somehow we got three damn seasons of Hemlock Grove.

I think Netflix were more willing to stick with stuff early on. Now they seem to produce a ton of stuff and just dump whatever isn't an instant hit.

 

[BrawlMan]

And yet somehow we got three damn seasons of Hemlock Grove.

I think Netflix were more willing to stick with stuff early on. Now they seem to produce a ton of stuff and just dump whatever isn't an instant hit.

I don't know what that show is, but it sounds like it sucks.