The End of an Era? Victoria Secret Angels fired.

[CriticalGaming]

'The true spectrum': Victoria's Secret replaces Angels with Megan Rapinoe, Priyanka Chopra

Victoria's Secret said the new ambassadors were selected to create "revolutionary" lingerie collections and bring awareness to women's causes.

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Every since I was a kid, Victoria Secret used probably the highest paid most beautiful models in the world to showcase their fantasy panties. Now in 2021 they are getting rid of those models, and replacing them with other models...but significantly less attractive (subjectively) ones.

Including Megan Rapinoe, the women's league soccer player who went to congress to demand that the women's soccer team and men's national league team get paid the same amount. For those of you who didn't see this, the men's league does not get paid salaries, instead they get a "bonus" for wins, ties, and losses the amount in which varies depending. The Women's team gets a salary, approx 120k/year but they do not get bonuses. Megan took the case to court and the court found out that the men get paid only about 88K/year which varies slightly depending on win/loss records. So Megan dropped the case when the court offered to force the women's team to lose a % of the salary to give to the men so that pay would be equal.

This is also the woman who claims to fight against racism and sexism, yet insults Asian people on twitter
Seems like a great choice for a replacement.

To be fair they also hired Priyanka Chopra who is beautiful and sort of fits the "Angels" brand of model that the company has had for decades anyway. So I'm not sure why they would hire her but also fired their other models. Everything about this "rebranding" seems a little strange.

The company is claiming that they want to get away from what Men want and devote the company and the branding to what women want. Which makes sense I suppose. Except for the fact that I don't think women just want to wear sexy undergarments just because. I don't think many women are wearing sexy shit under there work uniforms just for the sake of it. Victoria Secret items might be worn for women, but those items are more for their partners (i would argue) than the woman wearing them.

Now if the company is going to also make new items with less emphasis on sex and more on just practical comfort for women, then okay. Sounds good to me actually, but that might end up being a hard transition for the brand and I wonder how this will ultimately impact their business model (no pun intended).

It also remains to be seen as to whether or not the company is just going to use these new women to still model in skimpy underwear. I read that they've also hired some plus sizes girls and a transwoman for modeling as well. But i could not find any information on who exactly those people are. Torrid already is a brand that markets to the larger woman so there is already competition in that space and I don't have a problem with VS trying to compete on that front. I just don't understand the reasoning behind wiping the slate completely clean. Surely they could have kept the Angels and also hired the LBGT women on top of that (Megan I believe is a member of that group as well).

Why not just hire them as extra marketing or as a brand new product line from the company on top of what they've already become successful with? Surely both sides could exist right?

 

[stroopwafel]

I don't know if old VS was 'for men'. Much more women watched those shows and women I've dated all loved that underwear. I probably spent a fortune on it. For some reason women(including heterosexual women) enjoy looking at other women much more than looking at men. Personally I never even found that whole image of extremely athletic, giggly girls blowing bubbles all that attractive. I think something like Aubade underwear is much sexier and more sophisticated but to each their own.

Apparently VS had declining sales figures but I doubt that their choice of models had anything to do with it. There is just much more competition and every retail sales have gone down. It's more like ''hey what Rihanna is doing is really succesful this is what modern young women want'' which might be true to a degree but I don't think those same women won't see through such a lame tactic. VS is literary going from one extreme to the next in order to get on with the times. I very much doubt sales will catch up.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I don't know if old VS was 'for men'.

That's why I avoided that specifically and said "partners" because I'm sure women used to to be sexy for other women in their romantic life to.

Apparently VS had declining sales figures but I doubt that their choice of models had anything to do with it. There is just much more competition and every retail sales have gone down. It's more like ''hey what Rihanna is doing is really succesful this is what modern young women want'' which might be true to a degree but I don't think those same women won't see through such a lame tactic. VS is literary going from one extreme to the next in order to get on with the times. I very much doubt sales will catch up.

That might be true. And this could have been strictly a business move in the sense that the Angel make too much fucking money and they can hire new people at a fraction of the cost to help with profit margins. However I doubt it will help much because I can't see this move being publicly embraced very well TBH. They'll need to showcase the underwear somehow and swapping Miranda Kirr for Megan Rapinoe is not likely to make the stuff more appealing. (maybe to niche audiences).

 

[SilentPony]

Victoria's Secret has always been that weird "Here I bought this for me" sexy underwear store that somehow convinced women and men what they really want to Xmas is a barely there red bra and matching panties that gets worn once, and removed almost immediately, for $100, all sold on the promise women can look like starving Brazilian models with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of plastic surgery. Its just...weird.

 

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[Buyetyen]

Why not just hire them as extra marketing or as a brand new product line from the company on top of what they've already become successful with? Surely both sides could exist right?

Dude, I don't know how this has escaped your notice, but there's free porn on the internet. You no longer need lingerie models to get a boner.

 

[CriticalGaming]

I imagine it is because a) the Angels are really expensive (like, ludicrously expensive due to being the cream of the crop of fashion models and put on retainer

I did mention this expense on one of my follow up posts. And this is probably a good reason especially since VS profits seem to be in a downward trend atm. Though I dunno how much the pandemic effected that.

because women's buying habits for lingerie is increasingly trending towards lingerie that's marketed as inclusive instead of exclusive

I don't know exactly what you mean by this. I don't see how sexy lingerie is marketed as exclusive unless you are just saying that it's not inclusive to fat girls. But there are other brands for that and VS makes large sizes as well. I don't know how much appeal there would be if they put Tess Holiday in lingerie on the banners in the store as opposed to someone appealing. Tess is an extreme size example and even in the "normal" body market she is an outlier. Torrid tends to have much better examples because even the "big" girls they use as models are still very attractive.

And even the replacement girls for VS are not ugly. Megan isn't physically ugly, she is ugly in other ways. And Priyanka is certainly stunning.

In all likelihood your A option is the most likely case. Those Angels are some of the highest paid models in the world, Tom Brady's wife Giselle makes more than he does being a model for that company. So by wipe the slate clean i'm sure they're saving millions right off the top. Even if some millions goes right back into the new models.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Dude, I don't know how this has escaped your notice, but there's free porn on the internet. You no longer need lingerie models to get a boner.

You somehow always manage to appear in threads with pointless statements that mean nothing to the topic at hand. Why do you continue to bother?

 

[Silvanus]

Including Megan Rapinoe, the women's league soccer player who went to congress to demand that the women's soccer team and men's national league team get paid the same amount. For those of you who didn't see this, the men's league does not get paid salaries, instead they get a "bonus" for wins, ties, and losses the amount in which varies depending. The Women's team gets a salary, approx 120k/year but they do not get bonuses. Megan took the case to court and the court found out that the men get paid only about 88K/year which varies slightly depending on win/loss records. So Megan dropped the case when the court offered to force the women's team to lose a % of the salary to give to the men so that pay would be equal.

This isn't true. Firstly, Rapinoe didn't drop the case; the judge dismissed it. The USWNT is appealing.

Secondly, not all of the USWNT get paid a salary. Those that do get approximately 100k, not 120k. The remainder are on pay-for-play arrangements (which is what all members of the men's team are on as you say).

Thirdly, for those who are on pay-for-play arrangements, the men do get paid significantly more. If a male player on such an arrangement makes the World Cup team, they get $68,750; if a female player on such an arrangement makes the World Cup team, they get $37,500. The men receive $5,000 for a loss against a team outside the top 25; the women receive nothing for a loss against a team outside the top eight.

Essentially, a salaried female player receives more than the basic call-up fee for a male player. But pay-for-play players can supplement that income significantly, and it's easy enough for a male PFP player to get above 100k. And for female PFP players, they don't get nearly as much as male PFP players.

This is also the woman who claims to fight against racism and sexism, yet insults Asian people on twitter
Seems like a great choice for a replacement.

Yeah, real shitty tweet. It is ten years old, though, and she's been vocal about anti-racism for years since then.

This reminds me of the right-wingers like Cernovich digging up decades-old stuff from James Gunn to try to get a campaign going against him.

 

[CriticalGaming]

This isn't true. Firstly, Rapinoe didn't drop the case; the judge dismissed it. The USWNT is appealing.

Secondly, not all of the USWNT get paid a salary. Those that do get approximately 100k, not 120k. The remainder are on pay-for-play arrangements (which is what all members of the men's team are on as you say).

Thirdly, for those who are on pay-for-play arrangements, the men do get paid significantly more. If a male player on such an arrangement makes the World Cup team, they get $68,750; if a female player on such an arrangement makes the World Cup team, they get $37,500. The men receive $5,000 for a loss against a team outside the top 25; the women receive nothing for a loss against a team outside the top eight.

Essentially, a salaried female player receives more than the basic call-up fee for a male player. But pay-for-play players can supplement that income significantly, and it's easy enough for a male PFP player to get above 100k. And for female PFP players, they don't get nearly as much as male PFP players.

Nevertheless the case was a bad look for millionaire Megan to bring up. It's one of the reasons why I don't feel bad for the WNBA players make 250k a year and crying poor over people like Lebron James. Don't complain about your pay when you are already making more than 90% of working class people, because they aint gonna feel sorry for you.

And the men's soccer team might be able to EARN more off performance bonuses, but hard work and being better should earn better pay. As should being able to sell more tickets (as in the NBA's case). The statement from the Judge even says that this cannot fall under the Equal Pay Act because the two clubs require a completely different level of performance and skill between then to make a pay difference. The men's team has to perform at a completely different level in order to earn more through the bonus system.

Which if I remember correctly (i dont follow sports so this might be wrong) the women's team refused to go on the bonus only payment system and chose instead flat salary pay. JUst sh

Yeah, real shitty tweet. It is ten years old, though, and she's been vocal about anti-racism for years since then.

This reminds me of the right-wingers like Cernovich digging up decades-old stuff from James Gunn to try to get a campaign going against him.

Well old it may be, but SJW's have had no problems with digging up old shit on people in an effort to cancel or ruin them. Like Jimmy Kimmel doing blackface 20 years ago. It's funny how forgiving the left is when the shoe lands on the other foot. Always giving excuses for why it's okay when they do it.

 

[Seanchaidh]

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[Buyetyen]

Well old it may be, but SJW's have had no problems with digging up old shit on people in an effort to cancel or ruin them. Like Jimmy Kimmel doing blackface 20 years ago. It's funny how forgiving the left is when the shoe lands on the other foot. Always giving excuses for why it's okay when they do it.

Kind if like how this paragraph is nothing but an excuse for you to do it?

 

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[stroopwafel]

And this is why it helps to actually ask women what they think instead of man-guessing. A lot of women do like to wear good looking or sexy underwear day to day just for the sake of it. VS has also had a branding problem for a while due to the fact that its' business strategy has always been to make men buy VS lingerie for their sex partners, but in this day and age women in the western world largely get their own sexy lingerie and the act of gifting someone lingerie is getting increasingly weird.

I agree it's weird if you give a girl lingerie out of the blue but if you've been intimate once and ask what kind of lingerie she likes and give it as a present next time you meet then most women can appreciate that. There will never not be a time most women won't like a small present.

VS was never branded for male sex partners imo. With the bright colors of the lingerie and the pink logo and the childish attitude of the giggly, bubble blowing models. Sure the models are beautiful but I never had the impression they were intended to be sexy for men. It was always really more for women as you say.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Here is a follow up with more details on the new line up.

Victoria’s Secret misses the mark with plus-size consumers: ‘We wanted Angels who reflected us’

The lingerie brand announced the VS Collective on Wednesday. Still, some aren't pleased with the redirection.

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As expected more "non traditional" expressions of beauty, which is a progressive change for the company obviously. I hope it works out for them.

 

[BrawlMan]

I'm not even bothered nor care much for this change. We'll see what happens. It is obvious they are trying to catch up on trends though. Change is not necessarily always good nor bad, but it does happen regardless. Nothing lasts forever.

 

[stroopwafel]

I'm not even bothered nor care much for this change. We'll see what happens. It is obvious they are trying to catch up on trends though. Change is not necessarily always good nor bad, but it does happen regardless. Nothing lasts forever.

Like my nan used to say, ''beauty fades, ugliness remains''.

 

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[Silvanus]

And the men's soccer team might be able to EARN more off performance bonuses, but hard work and being better should earn better pay. As should being able to sell more tickets (as in the NBA's case). The statement from the Judge even says that this cannot fall under the Equal Pay Act because the two clubs require a completely different level of performance and skill between then to make a pay difference. The men's team has to perform at a completely different level in order to earn more through the bonus system.

OK, but it's entirely a subjective value judgement that the men's work is "harder" or "better" than the women's. Part of Rapinoe's argument was that they were successfully selling out stadia.

Well old it may be, but SJW's have had no problems with digging up old shit on people in an effort to cancel or ruin them. Like Jimmy Kimmel doing blackface 20 years ago. It's funny how forgiving the left is when the shoe lands on the other foot. Always giving excuses for why it's okay when they do it.

Look, I (and most people who aren't online culture-warriors) are going to tune out as soon as you start talking about "SJWs".

I never even saw anyone giving much of a shit about Jimmy Kimmel. But yes, some "cancellations" are bogus. Who the fuck cares? Why does that make it better for it to happen to Rapinoe or Gunn?

 

[Gergar12]

As someone in their supposed target audience, I really don't care. Why use magazines when you have numerous online alternatives. This whole push by society to get men to like less attractive women is not going to work, and in some cases it's selective. Weight discrimination is okay but not for men, height discrimination is good but only for men, education is good(because it helps more women than men), extroverted is good( and what do you know women tend to be more extroverted).

This is one of the many issues I have with the left/liberals/SJWs. I believe in an equal society, not patriarchy or matriarchy. But there's been an unequal push by the social zeitgeist to push for discrimination against men favored topics. Like anime, video games, you fucking fat neckbeard, like being a loner your weird, but if you like fashion and makeup tutorials society views you as okay, if you like being with other people you get a job.