Disney Considering Buyout Of Sony For Spider-Man Characters

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Disney is so big and so powerful in the space, I think this could actually happen.


I'm of mixed feelings about this.

If it happens, the danger that our favorite characters will become safe, bland, boring goes way up.

But the space has a lot of room for independence, which gives Invincible, The Boys, Umbrella Academy and more.

So, this may prop up some IPs that need whatever boost they can get.
 

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I'm in favor, if for no other reason I really love the MCU. I love the characters for the most part, love almost all the movies, even the ones I think are bad I still like watching them over other franchises. I would hate to see like Spiderman just removed because Sony and Disney suits are getting into a pissing contest over who gets their third private plane first.
I know Disney is pulling shit with contracts and trying to get around paying their actors, and I hope the actors sue their pants off and take them down a few pegs. But I still want the MCU to exist and as much continuity as possible. I don't want to see them going down the DCEU path where every movie is effectively its own universe, characters come and go based on contracts, people get recast and characters rebooted between movies, and there is no central story because the story is changing per movie per contract.
 
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I don't want to see them going down the DCEU path where every movie is effectively its own universe, characters come and go based on contracts, people get recast and characters rebooted between movies, and there is no central story because the story is changing per movie per contract.
Yeah, because that's how you keep movies fresh. Not that I'm going to bat for the DC cinematic universe, since they obviously want to be the MCU but can't get it off the ground, but lord does the MCU just fucking kill creativity and identity. Everything needs to abide by a freaking roadmap, stifling any voice that might want to take these characters or this world into an exciting new direction, or to simply give it a fresh coat of paint. The bland MCU look alone is enough to kill a good 60% of my interest to go see the next one.
 

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Yeah, because that's how you keep movies fresh. Not that I'm going to bat for the DC cinematic universe, since they obviously want to be the MCU but can't get it off the ground, but lord does the MCU just fucking kill creativity and identity. Everything needs to abide by a freaking roadmap, stifling any voice that might want to take these characters or this world into an exciting new direction, or to simply give it a fresh coat of paint. The bland MCU look alone is enough to kill a good 60% of my interest to go see the next one.
its funny, 'cause I take word for word almost the exact opposite view. The MCU is way more creative and allows for much more interesting stories because it has a decade of previous stories and character continuity in it. The next director to make a Spider Man story doesn't have to spend a third of their movie re-introducing Peter Parker, MJ, Uncle Ben and the spider bite, its already done. Tell something else.
Meanwhile the DCEU is so adverse to quality, discipline and dedication every movie has to spend a huge amount of time re-establishing the characters, their personalities, back stories and motivations. And then it all falls apart because the next director wants to tell their version of the characters, so DC just says all previous movies don't count. Margot Robbie's Harley has had three entirely different interpretations over the last 3 movies, each functionally a separate universe version. Joel Kinnaman, who plays Rick Flag, said he was told absolutely play Flag as a completely different character, the last Suicide Squad movie doesn't count, and even though Flag dies in Suicide Squad 2, yes DC would just bring him back in the next one. Because they're so uncommitted to story telling and keeping track of basic things, it doesn't matter.
And to me that's the crux of the issue. The MCU does have a story they want to tell, and the DCEU doesn't. And I'd rather see Marvel have the characters they need to tell the stories they want, than it go the way of DC where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
 

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its funny, 'cause I take word for word almost the exact opposite view. The MCU is way more creative and allows for much more interesting stories because it has a decade of previous stories and character continuity in it. The next director to make a Spider Man story doesn't have to spend a third of their movie re-introducing Peter Parker, MJ, Uncle Ben and the spider bite, its already done. Tell something else.
Every MCU movie basically looks the same, feels the same, and goes the same direction. Each movie that isn't an Avengers movie has the same placeholder villain that will pretty much not have mattered at all once the next movie arrives. Even the only really drastic thing to occur - the snap - was rendered pointless before it even happened since Infinity War was announced as a two parter. And by the time Endgame finished the snap might as well not have happened either. Every movie feels specifically designed to get to the next movie, and then the next one, and the next one. And nothing will actually change since these characters need to make money, and so can't actually have an ending.

This is why having comicbook movies exist within their own universe is important. Because it's pretty much the only way for these stories and these characters to end, even if it's simply because it's the end of that run. The end of the Sam Raimi Spider-Man, the end of the Nolan Batman. Eventhough Spider-Man is in the MCU now, and we're getting a new Batman (because ofcourse) we don't see them as the same characters as they were in the earlier movies, because those were their own thing, they had their own identity, and directors who put their own stamp on it.
Meanwhile the DCEU is so adverse to quality, discipline and dedication every movie has to spend a huge amount of time re-establishing the characters, their personalities, back stories and motivations. And then it all falls apart because the next director wants to tell their version of the characters, so DC just says all previous movies don't count. Margot Robbie's Harley has had three entirely different interpretations over the last 3 movies, each functionally a separate universe version. Joel Kinnaman, who plays Rick Flag, said he was told absolutely play Flag as a completely different character, the last Suicide Squad movie doesn't count, and even though Flag dies in Suicide Squad 2, yes DC would just bring him back in the next one. Because they're so uncommitted to story telling and keeping track of basic things, it doesn't matter.
And to me that's the crux of the issue. The MCU does have a story they want to tell, and the DCEU doesn't. And I'd rather see Marvel have the characters they need to tell the stories they want, than it go the way of DC where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
For as bad as most of the DC movies are, I give them major props for being movies that feel like they're made by directors, and not a roadmap. As much as I think Zack Snyder blows as a filmmaker, it's good he's allowed to actually direct his movies. Whenever Marvel presents some famous new indie director for their next movie it means ziltch, because they're not allowed to even nudge anything that might slightly veer away from the path that has been planned 10 movies in advance.
 
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I doubt they want most of Sony's recent movie baggage. I personally suspect this is that old 'negotiating in the press' technique to drive speculation and make rampant click money for various publications. What Disney wants is Spider-Man, and probably nothing else. So they'll bandy this shit around, as an attempt to exert pressure on Sony to come to the negotiating table again to see if they'll cede sole custody of Peter Parker.
 
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I doubt they want most of Sony's recent movie baggage. I personally suspect this is that old 'negotiating in the press' technique to drive speculation and make rampant click money for various publications. What Disney wants is Spider-Man, and probably nothing else. So they'll bandy this shit around, as an attempt to exert pressure on Sony to come to the negotiating table again to see if they'll cede sole custody of Peter Parker.
Venom 2 and Moebius look pretty good. There is reason for Disney to want it all.
But you'd think we'd get a new Xmen and Fantastic Four movie next, before Disney goes after Sony. We'll see.

 

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Every MCU movie basically looks the same, feels the same, and goes the same direction.
And you think DC doesn't? They're all based on the same content, and using the same hero's journey framework for their story. Introduce young and idealistic kid who is special in some way, give them an early life tragedy, introduce bad guy, probably with personal connections to their origin, or a dark mirror of their background. Have kid become adult, and then choose mantle of being a hero to save the day, roll credits. I mean, it's a comic book story, they're ALL the same story. There is no difference in DC's quality of story structure compared to the MCU, when you are talking about what story they are telling, and how they move that story along. They all went to the same film schools, learned the same lessons about script writing, etc, and are all working in the same industry and know what sells millions of tickets, and what doesn't.
 

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And you think DC doesn't? They're all based on the same content, and using the same hero's journey framework for their story. Introduce young and idealistic kid who is special in some way, give them an early life tragedy, introduce bad guy, probably with personal connections to their origin, or a dark mirror of their background. Have kid become adult, and then choose mantle of being a hero to save the day, roll credits. I mean, it's a comic book story, they're ALL the same story. There is no difference in DC's quality of story structure compared to the MCU, when you are talking about what story they are telling, and how they move that story along. They all went to the same film schools, learned the same lessons about script writing, etc, and are all working in the same industry and know what sells millions of tickets, and what doesn't.
It becomes a problem when you homogenize the look and feel of these movies and release two or so a year. Like I said, the Raimi Spider-Man and Nolan Batman are Spider-Man and Batman, but they feel like their own thing eventhough we've seen multiple iterations of Spider-Man and Batman, and they follow the typical superhero journey and work with the same trappings.

With the MCU every movie needs to look at what came before and what will happen next, and is creatively boxed in by this from almost all sides; writing, casting, musical score, even cinematography. While something like Spider-verse, not being part of the MCU cuz Sony Animation, could just do its own thing and create its own identity (within the Spider-Man lore).

Technically yes, I would say the MCU has better films than the DCEU, but they're also much, much blander since we have about 20+ films that have the same identical TV show look, and with the same damn characters (actors). And that within the span of 12 years. In failing to try and emulate the MCU the DCEU actually manages to have a lot more creativity in its movies. Shazam feels very different from Man of Steel, which in turn feels very different from Aquaman, and to me that's a good thing, whether I think the movies are good or not.
 

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In failing to try and emulate the MCU the DCEU actually manages to have a lot more creativity in its movies. Shazam feels very different from Man of Steel, which in turn feels very different from Aquaman, and to me that's a good thing, whether I think the movies are good or not.
This. At least they have a distinct and visual look to them. It's why I have no problem with most of the DCEU. Zack did go overboard with the muted color palette for B v. S though. Thankfully, course corrected with other films other than the theatrical version of JL. Spider-Verse shits on all of the MCU movies looks. The Crow, a film from 1994, has its own style and flair that is unique to the film and stands out.

And you think DC doesn't? They're all based on the same content, and using the same hero's journey framework for their story. Introduce young and idealistic kid who is special in some way, give them an early life tragedy, introduce bad guy, probably with personal connections to their origin, or a dark mirror of their background. Have kid become adult, and then choose mantle of being a hero to save the day, roll credits. I mean, it's a comic book story, they're ALL the same story. There is no difference in DC's quality of story structure compared to the MCU, when you are talking about what story they are telling, and how they move that story along. They all went to the same film schools, learned the same lessons about script writing, etc, and are all working in the same industry and know what sells millions of tickets, and what doesn't.
You're definitively right in terms of character and story structure. I could not agree with you more in that regard.
 
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I hope it doesn't happen. I couldn't give a rats ass about MCU at this point, and as far as I'm concerned they already fucked up with Tom Holland's version. It's not very good. Meanwhile, Sony's made the video games that are pretty awesome, as well as Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, which is better than 90% of the MCU.