And then legalizing it again (1955) before Roe v. Wade. The USSR beat the US to legalizing abortion twice.
Texas v abortion
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I think she's confusing Yugoslavia with Soviet States and Slovakia with Slovenia.
Well, she seems to know there is a difference because she mentions both Slovakia and Slovenia, which makes me wonder why she doesn't know where these places actually are.
All you need to know is that there are these countries somewhere between Germany/Italy and Russia, and they're all variations of Ruritania so what does it matter?
So I've not commented until now because hey why add nothing new to the discussion and just be another person on the pro-choice side not happy about this.
I do now have something to add
So the law states Texas will give a person $10K if they privately sue any person performing or assisting in performing abortions correct?
So does this new law have a state limit to it as in only being able to sue people in Texas?
I ask because if it's anyone then it would be pretty open to abuse. Find some-one in another state, make a deal with them to split the $10K, file a crappy lawsuit against them in their home state that will get thrown out almost immediately by any competent judge and claim the $10K and split it so you get $5K and the person you sued gets $5K. You can normally file the stuff without needing lawyers to be involved either so no legal costs there for either side lol.
I do now have something to add
So the law states Texas will give a person $10K if they privately sue any person performing or assisting in performing abortions correct?
So does this new law have a state limit to it as in only being able to sue people in Texas?
I ask because if it's anyone then it would be pretty open to abuse. Find some-one in another state, make a deal with them to split the $10K, file a crappy lawsuit against them in their home state that will get thrown out almost immediately by any competent judge and claim the $10K and split it so you get $5K and the person you sued gets $5K. You can normally file the stuff without needing lawyers to be involved either so no legal costs there for either side lol.
Well, the person getting sued has to pay court fees. So I dont think it would be 10k split.
They made sure you can't change the location of the original filing but... I have no idea about whether it only effects Texans
As a follow up, what about travelling interstate for abortions. If someone hears about that, can they sue those people?
Edit: imagine Airlines and pilots being sued over this. Air hosts for giving them pretzels. A motel they stayed at
Generally speaking, you can't sue somebody in state court for things that don't happen in that state.
I cannot see that this has been mentioned yet, but here is the President of Tripwire Interactive (Red Orchestra, Killing Floor, and publisher of Chivalry 2) praising this new law
aaaand here the response by a studio who has worked with Tripwire for the past 3 years, cancelling all contracts with them, because of this
aaaand here the response by a studio who has worked with Tripwire for the past 3 years, cancelling all contracts with them, because of this
I mean, Texas is not caring about whether the party is being injured or not so...
Actions, consequences. I'm not necessarily going to slam Gibson. I do not agree with him, but he should have the right to hold his beliefs, and to state them. At the same time, when you are a public face of that company, you have to be aware that anything you say can and will be attached to your company, and Shipwright is completely fair in deciding they don't want to support that.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that to me, neither side did anything necessarily wrong, but I have a suspicion that Gibson would disagree with me on that.
Ah, the future of discourse, eh?
I suspect people didn't really give a shit in the old days, but in the old days, you spouted your personal opinions and basically no-one heard it to give a shit. I'm honestly not particularly fond of the idea of the world where the minute you open your trap it has ramifications for your business as the personal and professional blur into one another, but ultimately, if you do want to open your trap, someone might open theirs in response.
Or close their wallet. Which I'm absolutely fine with.
The question is does the rule for getting the $10K specifically require he lawsuit to take place in Texas or just for there to be a lawsuit?
This question shows absolutely zero understanding of both the law in question and how the US court system works...
1. Any lawsuit related to this law would must be filed in Texas. Neither federal courts nor other state courts have jurisdiction over this issue.
2. The lawsuit must be decided in favor of the plaintiff for the $10k to be owed; that's the "damages" (obviously not a lawyer myself) being claimed.
Here's my two questions for you:
1. Why do you believe that a lawsuit filed related to this law wouldn't be immediately thrown out by any court other than a state court in Texas? The first half of your question has the implicit assumption that this wouldn't occur.
2. What sentences in the text of the law made you believe that "there just being a lawsuit" would lead to the plaintiff receiving $10k? Who do you believe would even be paying that money out? What if the court decides against the plaintiff? How would any of that work? Why did you believe it would??????
We're talking about Texas for all I knew it could just be "You have to have evidence you tried to sue some-one in a court over it" not that it must be a Texas court.
If I already knew this why would I have asked the question? Or am I just supposed to pretend to be omnipotent and know everything?
So to answer your questions
1) It's a dumb new law in Texas so who knows how well it would have been thought through especially as it's a "feel good" law for a certain side rather than something clearly well thought out.
2) I didn't read it hence I was asking here assuming some-one else probably had read the full document and would know as it saves a fair bit of time.
In Dwarven's defence, I'm pretty sure they're from the UK. So unless they've undertaken independent study on the subject they probably aren't terribly familiar with how courts work in Texas. I mean, I sure as hell don't.
So it seems this debate entered the realm of video games. Some ceo tweeted out being in support of the bill and now he's been forced to resign.
I'm not sure how I feel about that. I don't think people should be fired over having bad political opinions, but there's a difference between bad political opinions and bad political opinions where you cheer on the state employing bounty hunters to harass anyone involved in an abortion.
I'm not sure how I feel about that. I don't think people should be fired over having bad political opinions, but there's a difference between bad political opinions and bad political opinions where you cheer on the state employing bounty hunters to harass anyone involved in an abortion.