Yes, but we're seeing the stark difference between an adult professional and an untrained child. The former has the experience and wisdom to reasonably assess threat, never mind not leaving themselves in a position where they are at extreme risk in the first place - although frankly, I still think should still not be there. The latter is a doofus with fantasies of pwning rioters who gets himself isolated, panics, and starts blowing people away unnecessarily. All of which could and should have been avoided had they not gone there in the first place.
This is all very tragic. But it illustrates a cardinal failing in responsible gun ownership, and I really don't think the job of society is giving a green light to have-a-go-hero kids to kill people through their incompetence.
Oh so now were arguing about objective threat assessments?
Kyle heard the guy say he wanted to kill people including Kyle and his friends.
Kyle was attacked by the guy, retreated and was perused by the guy who tried to grab his gun off him.
In what world when a person takes action towards cornering a person alone and trying to steal their gun can we really argue that you can see intent to carry out the threat there?
What are we only allowing some-one to see it as a threat if events went differently and Kyle shot him while lying on a pool on the floor having just been shot by Rosenbaum too?
The witness was a marine and the testimony he gave (being spun by a load of outlets) was he didn't see Rosenbaum as a threat but just a belligerent nuisance because at that point in the night before anyone was shot that is how Rosenbaum was acting. Trying to pretend to be macho and issuing threats and trying to provoke people. Rosenbaum beating his chest and throwing insults wouldn't be seen as him being a threat at the time. Him chasing down trying to attack and trying to steal the rifle from Kyle? Yeh that is an escalation. At no point that I know of was said witness then asked to assess the threat he would say Rosenbaum was later in the night because he wasn't there to see said events play out he was in a different part of the lot.
Can you please explain to me what Kyle was meant to do again?
He was a kid vs a grown ass adult.
He tried to retreat and was followed
He was basically cornered
The Grown ass adult who'd threatened to kill him and or his friends earlier in the night was trying to take a lethal weapon from him.
What was Kyle meant to develop his Xmen power and walk through a wall or fly over the building or super strength punch the guy away?
Was he meant to use his super secret teleporter or summon a horde of angels to fight off the guy?
It's a fantasy to expect the situation to have not gone bad one way or another. Either a guy who had expressed desire to kill people got hold of a gun and potentially then did it or Kyle shot him.
"All of it could have been avoided"
No the lot would have burned down possibly costing others their lives and costing livelihoods.
You want to talk societal failings.
There was a failure to protect the lot previously. You can argue if you wish the police were to blame but also it's a societal failing that for some reason little turds feel they're entitled to burn down peoples businesses and property just because they're angry. That's not the behaviour of adults that's the actions of petulant kids wanting to break stuff because they're not getting their own way and they don't care whose stuff it is. Rosebaum was seemingly mad people were guarding the lot. Why? Because it would stop him and his cronies trying to repeat the previous nights actions. Tell me when everyone's cause demands their pound of flesh from you or offering and sacrifice will you give them all their pounds when they come to take it by force or will you be an Englishman and defend his castle?
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