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[bluegate]

AND WHERE DID VOYAGER GET MORE PHOTON TORPEDOES AND SHUTTLES?! FUCKING FEMINISM

Some of the dumbest complaints about Voyager. How smoothbrained does one have to be to not be able to make the deduction that the ship simply procured the materials needed through trade or asteroid / nebula mining.

 

[Hades]

That's after she's captured

Yeah. Indicating that she does need to work to maintain her build and that it vanishes when she no longer can.

 

[Casual Shinji]

How very predictable

Turnabout is fair play but seems it's just going to be meme retorts proving me right that you can't address the arguments being made lol

Dude stop, I'm almost legitimately starting to feel sorry for you.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

A fundraiser for a Catholic school is the force behind the swelling conspiracy that Trump is still really president

When he's not claiming Trump is still president, he was raising money for Catholic schools.

www.dailydot.com

Since Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election, the “Big Lie” that Donald Trump actually won and was denied his victory through a deep state conspiracy has become the driving force behind an industry of gurus and promoters.


But while Trump-world celebrities like Mike Lindell and Sidney Powell have relentlessly pushed the idea that Trump will be “reinstated” as president, another conspiracy theory is catching on with a growing number of Trump diehards. These believers are being told that Biden runs a Potemkin administration and Trump is actually still the president. As the actual holder of the presidency, Trump is still writing executive orders, still sending members of his “administration” to carry out his whims, and possibly even still commanding the military. And at exactly the right moment, Trump will reveal the deception and use “his” military to stride “back” into the office he never left.

In the wake of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, with the person behind Q silent, a vacuum for beliefs opened up. And one of the most prominent leaders of this new conspiracy movement is “Patel Patriot,” a Trump diehard who is said to be earning five figures a month in donations for fans for pushing a theory that Trump is running a secret military government, one he has laid out through “hidden” emergency documents.

Before he became a leader in the stolen election industry, the figure behind Patel Patriot, Jon Herold, was also a community fixture at home, someone with a leadership role in a local Catholic school.

Herold did not respond to a request for comment from the Daily Dot.

Trump himself is fueling this delusion as much as any anonymous promoter. In many ways, he’s still acting like he’s president, often referring to himself with that title during presidential-style speeches, making statements about sending an “Envoy Ambassador” to other countries, and constantly throwing out “clues” that he’ll be returning to office sometime soon.

Where Trump leads, his fan base follows. Which means Patel Patriot is also growing in stature in a world where delusional fanatics are increasingly agitated and inspired to take action.


When he emerged in July, Patel Patriot claimed he was not a military intelligence insider or researcher, and he had no qualifications or experience in untangling complex conspiracies. He was merely a “devastated” and “confused” Trump fan unable to accept what the “enemy of the people” media was telling him. So he started doing his research, pouring through executive orders, Trump tweets, Wikipedia articles, conservative news sources, transcripts, legal papers, and his own beliefs as to what was in deeply classified continuity of government documents. According to Patel Patriot, as Biden dithered his way through a half-hearted campaign, Trump was prepping for the fact that the deep state would deny him his rightful victory. Due to his secret executive moves, Patel Patriot says, after Biden’s “inauguration,” Trump was still in charge of a military government, still commanding the army and intelligence operatives, and fighting a secret war against enemies both foreign (China) and domestic (antifa). And when the time was right, Biden’s “victory” would be decertified and Trump would reveal the truth to a stunned America.

The theory that grew out of all of this work was called “Devolution,” and from its beginnings as a few posts on Substack, Devolution is now officially a hit among QAnon believers desperate for some sign that their faith will be rewarded. The Daily Dot explored the theory in August, when Patel Patriot had written eight parts of it on Substack and had 33,000 subscribers on Telegram. Since then, it’s only become bigger, more complex, and more popular. Patel Patriot has written over a dozen parts of Devolution, and turned what appeared to be a hobby into a full-time vocation—bringing in as much as five figures a month in income, according to a source close to Patel Patriot who reached out to Daily Dot.


“Conservative politics are becoming more and more decoupled from reality,” said the anonymous researcher known as QOrigins Project, who tracks conspiracy movements on Twitter. “Devolution is dangerous because it’s on the leading edge of that trend—and it demonstrates that a lot of pro-Trump citizens cannot accept the reality of Trump being out of power.”

And many of these citizens have found Patel Patriot. Over the last year, he has gained thousands of paid subscribers on Substack and tripled his Telegram fan base.

Though he has not revealed his name, he has worked tirelessly to become a star in the stolen election orbit, often doing dozens of interviews a week. Patel can frequently be found discussing Devolution on the circuit of podcasts and livestreams cranked out by the upper echelon of QAnon influencers. In October, he spoke in person at the Patriot Double Down conference in Las Vegas alongside luminaries in the GOP and health freedom movements, while doing more in-person interviews there. He’s spoken about Devolution on the livestreams of major names in the QAnon world, like Brian Cates, X22 Report, Jordan Sather, David “Praying Medic” Hayes, QAnon John, and appeared in an interview alongside Paul “Baruch The Scribe” Furber—one of the figures credibly linked to the very first Q posts on 4chan.


His public profile has grown even since then: Devolution was recently endorsed in a Telegram post as “very interesting” by Ron Watkins, the 8chan administrator likely responsible for at least some QAnon content. And in November, Patel Patriot launched a Devolution-themed radio show on the small conservative outlet KRTK, a syndicated outlet of right-wing giants like Dan Bongino and Ben Shapiro. He’s even complained on Telegram of spammers spoofing his identity to sell cryptocurrency to his fans. All of this growing fame is based on the Devolution theory growing publicly, and its creator basking in that newfound popularity.

While Patel has disabled comments on his Telegram channel, which has grown to more than 114,000 followers now, his fans vocally express their agreement with him in other venues. His Substack is full of comments praising his research skills and ability to put together disparate strands of information.

“You’re right on point! I pray everyday that evolution [sic] is real. Thank you again for all you’re doing,” gushes one comment on Part 12, while another on Part 3 praises Patel for “laying this out with the immense research ‘sauce’ to back it up.” Other comments make favorable references to the military reinstalling Trump, hint that lives will need to be “sacrificed,” and speak favorably to the Oklahoma City bombing.

Despite his growing influence in the stolen election community, Patel Patriot himself has maintained his anonymity—even as other figures in the QAnon-stolen election world have been outed. But Daily Dot can reveal the figure behind Devolution as Jon Herold of Bismarck, North Dakota.

He was, until recently, a fundraiser at a Catholic school system in Bismark, “leading the fundraising efforts of a $46 million capital campaign” to build them a new high school, according to his LinkedIn page.

On his LinkedIn, Herold goes by the title “Mission Advancement Officer,” for a school system whose aim is to “offer an enriched, faith-based education which teaches Gospel values across all curriculum.”


A source, someone close to Herold who didn’t wish to be quoted for fear of retaliation, believes that Herold recently quit that job thanks to the revenue he was bringing in from pushing stolen election conspiracy theories—perpetuating a lie that threatens to tear apart the fabric of American democracy. They are also dismayed at Herold’s embrace of “The Big Lie” and the Trump idolatry coming at the possible expense of Christian values, given Herold’s role in his religious community.

Despite hiding behind the veneer of anonymity, Herold was not difficult to identify as Patel Patriot, having taken minimal steps to hide his identity, while showing his face in dozens of interviews and live appearances. The recipient of donations to Patel Patriot made through PayPal (which banned Herold after the Daily Dot inquired about Patel Patriot’s use of the platform) is an entity called Spitballers LLC. That phrase is a common one of the Patel Patriot persona, as in “I’m just spitballing,” or throwing out ideas—which Patel Patriot often claims to be doing as he spins out his unevidenced conspiracy theories.


The incorporation documents for a Spitballers LLC formed in Bismarck in August 2021, just weeks after the first Patel Patriot posts. The principal address for that entity is identical to the address of a house publicly listed as being owned by Jon Herold, the same name independently given Daily Dot by the concerned source, who also confirmed the address. The name also led to the LinkedIn page where Herold had not only listed his employer but used a profile picture that matches up with the same person who has made numerous live appearances.

The Daily Dot reached out to a neighbor of Herold’s, who did not respond but instead alerted Herold to the investigation into Patel Patriot’s identity. On his Devolution “Power Hour” stream on Nov. 6 in the Patel Patriot persona, Herold confirmed the veracity of the email to the neighbor, called this reporter a “douchebag,” and hinted at suing the Daily Dot. In doing so, Herold essentially confirmed that he is Patel Patriot, though not by name, and said that he “knew his name would get out there eventually.”


As the Patel Patriot persona has gathered more followers, the idea that Joe Biden is not legally the president has proliferated in the Republican Party, to the point where polls reveal that as many as two-thirds of GOP voters believe Biden’s victory was illegitimate.

It’s personas like Patel that make this belief so prevalent.

And while Herold continues to claim to have no connection to Q, his theory resonates with Q believers looking for a new leader. Herold’s theories are much more palatable for a mainstream audience and don’t engage in numerology or the belief that dead celebrities are still alive. Just that Trump is still in charge.


QAnon’s similarity to Devolution theory means that it’s been embraced by Q believers who see it as a manifestation of their belief that Trump is a master strategist who effortlessly plays his enemies against each other. While Patel Patriot claims to have no connection to Q and never read the Q drops, both posit Trump as a master strategist concocting a plan that can never be understood by “normies” as a way to destroy his enemies.

“The main recruiting tool QAnon has is hope,” conspiracy theory researcher and podcaster Mike Rains told the Daily Dot. “Devolution is perfect for QAnon because it gives its followers hope for Trump still being the president.”

Beyond catering to Trump diehards holding out hope for the former president’s return, Devolution is nebulous enough that it can continue indefinitely, or at least until the next presidential election.

“It’s also open ended with no set deadline so you can believe in it without having to worry about a deadline passing and nothing happening,” Rains said. In that way, it has the ability to build up more followers, ones who won’t become disenchanted by false predictions.

“Trump isn’t the secret president, but both the Big Lie and devolution prove how deeply his strongest partisans need to see him in power, regardless of the constitution or electoral outcomes,” QOrigins Project said, echoing the complex fiction of devolution that is making Patel Patriot a figure to be watched in a movement desperate for charismatic leadership.

“That same emotional refusal to accept reality is both the origin of the Big Lie and the reason it’s become accepted in the mainstream GOP. It was behind Jan. 6, and its specter looms ahead of us in 2024.”

Thanks, in no small part, to influencers like Herold

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Yeah. Indicating that she does need to work to maintain her build and that it vanishes when she no longer can.

yeh but perfectly fine with months on the road in the post apocalyptic wasteland......

Dude stop, I'm almost legitimately starting to feel sorry for you.

Oh look still not addressing actual arguments made what I surprise. You know if you should feel sorry for anyone it should be yourself I don't think it should be as hard as you seem to be making it look to actually come up with counter arguments.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Oh look still not addressing actual arguments made what I surprise. You know if you should feel sorry for anyone it should be yourself I don't think it should be as hard as you seem to be making it look to actually come up with counter arguments.

I remember giving you a dozy of a counter and you not responding at all for some odd reason that I'm sure had nothing to do with you being completely wrong and knowing it.

yeh but perfectly fine with months on the road in the post apocalyptic wasteland......

Because I'm sure they didn't properly stock food for their journey ahead, didn't catch fish or anything. Oh wait, they did. There's even pictures.

 

[Cheetodust]

Maybe he's just a very good scavenger?

Then the same has to apply to abby no?

Which the game didn't bother to actually go into

so you can't state it is impossible.

Yeh those readily available apocalypse nuts

Nuts, seeds, beans, oils, there is a long list of things that are high in fat and have long shelf lives.

And the fact Abby maintained not only mass but definition?

considering we don't see her with her shirt off all that much we don't know how lean she is and for how long.

Also thanks to pointing out you didn't watch the videos so don't even know what you're arguing against.

Why should I? You've done literally no actual research into this topic. I don't have half an hour to spare listening to some random idiot with no credentials.

Right you're clearly just trolling. Have fun.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Good! Next step: is the bidding war exacerbated or ameliorated by multiplying the number of bidders for the US by 50 (if we leave it to states) or by tens or thousands (if we leave it to individual hospitals)?

Irrelevant, if the same number of ventilators are being argued over. That's the gate and what's pushing the price.

"Muck things up"? But in your preferred scenario, there would be no DPA, no SNS.

Once again, I never said it was my scenario.

The approach that demonstrably sourced more than enough ventilators came too late, I'm saying, because of a political choice. But you're advocating the US never take that approach at all.

And once again, I'm not.

Oh yes, massive decentralisation/ no national coordination has happened... and demonstrably made the problem a hundred times worse.

But that wasn't your argument before, your argument before was that it literally could not happen.

If you spend several pages defending a proposition, don't be surprised if people associate you with that position.

holds up mirror

You first.

A private actor cannot easily do so, no. I've had numerous landlords, and one employer, breach contract numerous times, and I can do fuck all about it, because I don't have the legal or financial clout, and I relied on them at the time.

Those same landlords and employers' behaviour is regulated by law, of course, which the government has a unique ability to implement.

Those tend to be more nebulous than what we're discussing, and also fall into what I said before. The arena we're talking about is large scale purchasing and manufacturing. I'm sure if you've had a faulty product, you've been able to return and/or exchange it fairly easily. When we start talking about big contracts, both private companies and the government can (usually) easily verify whether a product performs to spec and thus the act of rectifying or resolving a contract is equally as straightforward.

Compare that to say, the Royal Mail. Now that it's a private entity it's under contract and, if I'm not mistaken, it's quality has decreased from the time when it was a public entity. Does that not violate it's contract? Why doesn't the government enforce that contract?

 

[Seanchaidh]

Some of the dumbest complaints about Voyager. How smoothbrained does one have to be to not be able to make the deduction that the ship simply procured the materials needed through trade or asteroid / nebula mining.

they can materialize atom-by-atom reconstructions of food by talking to their walls, but manufacture of standardized machinery and munitions is somehow beyond belief.

that being said, if it was just the Maquis that got flung over into the Delta Quadrant, that could have been a more interesting series. Potentially.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Split jury on the big charges, but still ruinous for the nazis

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Split jury on the big charges, but still ruinous for the nazis

How about, instead of putting them in the poorhouse, we put them in the Big House? You know, for being enemies of America.

 

[Gordon_4]

they can materialize atom-by-atom reconstructions of food by talking to their walls, but manufacture of standardized machinery and munitions is somehow beyond belief.

that being said, if it was just the Maquis that got flung over into the Delta Quadrant, that could have been a more interesting series. Potentially.

I think at first they had some in-story restrictions about replicator use for power reserves or some bullshit. That’s why Neelix was rocking the wok and open flame burners - but let’s not go into the dangers of THAT - to feed the crew. As for making munitions I assume there are compounds that they cannot replicate or install safely in a starship as opposed to a munitions installation. Same way I’m pretty sure warships don’t manufacture their own Exocet missiles onboard.

 

[Gergar12]

Dear California if you are using fuel taxes to fund your government instead of funding renewables like wind, and solar, you are a moron, and Gavin Newsom is a clown. And if you/your state government doesn't have high fuel taxes, you are just accelerating the inevitable.

 

[Seanchaidh]

I think at first they had some in-story restrictions about replicator use for power reserves or some bullshit. That’s why Neelix was rocking the wok and open flame burners - but let’s not go into the dangers of THAT - to feed the crew. As for making munitions I assume there are compounds that they cannot replicate or install safely in a starship as opposed to a munitions installation. Same way I’m pretty sure warships don’t manufacture their own Exocet missiles onboard.

They've got a computer with like all of wikipedia on it. And a deflector dish. They can figure out how to find materials and make things.

 

[Trunkage]

I think at first they had some in-story restrictions about replicator use for power reserves or some bullshit. That’s why Neelix was rocking the wok and open flame burners - but let’s not go into the dangers of THAT - to feed the crew. As for making munitions I assume there are compounds that they cannot replicate or install safely in a starship as opposed to a munitions installation. Same way I’m pretty sure warships don’t manufacture their own Exocet missiles onboard.

I dont not know the power requirements of a replicator. But traveling further to feed people, going out to find actual food, lighting fire and burning atmo seems... not energy efficient

I did always wonder how they got new torpedoes. As they were actually counting how many they had left in the first two seasons but it just ignored for the rest

 

[Trunkage]

they can materialize atom-by-atom reconstructions of food by talking to their walls, but manufacture of standardized machinery and munitions is somehow beyond belief.

that being said, if it was just the Maquis that got flung over into the Delta Quadrant, that could have been a more interesting series. Potentially.

I'm pretty sure they had to replicated the Delta Flyer bit by bit

Edit: I'm with Ronald Moore on this. The Marquis and Starfleet making up immediately was a big mistake. It should habe taken years

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Gas prices aren't significantly higher now than they were in 2019, people just have the collective memory of a goldfish.

There was a fairly significant global event running all of last year and continuing into this year that dramatically cut demand for gasoline. Which is going to severely depress prices, and then because supply was cut down to try and boost prices, extra demand due to people driving again is gonna jump the price. Not building a pipeline that A) wasn't transporting gasoline, and B) wasn't even going to be close to finished anyway has no bearing on gas prices and anybody arguing otherwise can be safely ignored. Maybe even mocked.

I cannot be the only person here who remembers that a massive drop in demand last year sent oil prices into the negative

[EDIT: somehow this got posted to the wrong thread. Still relevant though]

 

[Trunkage]

Point being people aren't rushing out of the woodwork to go "It's unrealistic" not least because Rocky is a pro boxer, Wolverine is whatever he does part time cage fighter, woodman, sometimes hero, literally a genetic mutant and Captain America was pumped full of magic serum. You want super unrealistic go with Conan or something and even then it's not even pretending to be realistic because magic powers and bare chest fighting.

So, in your world, if the 'muscles wouldn't naturally happen 365 days a year', then it not cool. Got it.

So Rocky is fine as he's meant to be at peak condition. Rambo is not because he's just a rando solider.

 

[tstorm823]

Also if they have any kind of cheese production then they have whey protein as a biproduct. I mean... It's not processed and won't taste like chocolate but anyone who really wants to hit some protein goals could use it

I would like to take this opportunity to pose a very important question to the forum at large:

If you were ranking the most important inventions in human history, which would rank higher: cheese or pants?

 

[Cheetodust]

I would like to take this opportunity to pose a very important question to the forum at large:

If you were ranking the most important inventions in human history, which would rank higher: cheese or pants?

Cheese. I wear pants because I have to I eat cheese because I love it.