Another thread about sexism in video games.
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That's what I'm saying, people judge you for not being "pure" when in fact they should celebrate your choice to be moral despite your lack of purity. This is adam and eve fruit of the knowledge of evil shit lol. We're not going back to the garden of eden, we're humans now.
Yeah you're right, I meant evil in a general sense not literally evil just "bad stuff arise from this". Though I do think we can classify suffering that naturally occurs through ones life even without someone inflicting it upon them as a sort of evil. You don't need to blame it on someone for something to be "an" evil.
The difference is there's infinite reincarnations and everyone has a hope of eventually getting to the highest plane of existence so people are not as condemned as they are seen as works in progress. The good folk are seen as having just gone through more lives so they're further along this path, so the way you compare with others differs from a setting where every soul was put on the planet at the time of birth and it's all your responsibility from then on. For every good guy there's not a possible million murderers in his past lives, it's just that guy and whatever he did in his life.
The whole game was far too animu for me, it wasn't just the worrying groups of little girls in swimsuits. BDO is on the line, I can stomach it for a while but it grinds me down, shame as it plays nice, add fast travel and I could probably grit my teeth and carry on playing.
Tera on the other hand...fighting hordes of garden gnomes in the dingly fairy dell, or those weird bloated, bleating penguin creatures that would conga line half way across the map in a great horde if you aggro'd them only to die instantly en masse when you finally realised they were attacking you at a quest hand in point. A lot it just felt like a bunch of incongruous monsters stuck in a series of interconnected arenas for you to kill for XP. But then you had some parts where enemies were actually really entertaining and challenging to fight from a mechanics/skill POV. The porcelain fuckdoll in lingerie armour element of the game was actually a very minor gripe for me compared to the world. Eh, I dunno, I really wanted to like it, it played great for the most part but I couldn't get over the aesthetics.
I think it's more just that growing up means transitioning from a horny teenager to a functioning, mature adult, and somewhere along the line you're supposed to learn about women being fully actualised individuals in their own right rather than slabs of meat to ogle and fuck.
Some people struggle with this.
While learning that women grow up and become as flawed and sexist as men. Be on the butt end of that and pixel booba fantasies never lose their appeal.
I mean, you can have a happy life and also just enjoy some random fantasy. This idea that if you enjoy this thing you somehow never matured is silly. This reminds me of the mentality people had about videogames when I was growing up in the 90s and early 2000s, that videogames are for children and you have to at some point "grow out of them" and "be an adult". We can all realize how ignorant such a thing is because the game a little kid is likely to be playinig is not the same as whatever an older person will be playing.
Generalizing all pixel fantasies as some caricature mixture of playboy, baywatch and american pie that a horny teenager would be into is incredibly ignorant.
In fact this is kinda what this all smacks of in general, back then it was "games are for children" or "games make you violent" and we're sick of that kind of talk being adapted into the modern era where you just swap violence for misogyny, so you get the reaction you get.
Hilariously, most of the games you are defending are, in fact, some caricature mixture of Playboy, Bay Watch, and American Pie. Like, how else would you describe the legions of "do some version of Not Sex But Totally Sex with high school girls: the anime game"? I heard the one where you shoot them with pheromones until they relieve so much stress they need to take a bath has decent writing, the one where you make Star Children with your pregnant cousin was less well received.
Part of being an adult is putting up with some shit without using it to justify behaving like a troglodyte.
I mean, you can be traumatised by really bad experiences, and I'd have a lot more leeway with that. And a bit of porn doesn't do much harm - some couples might find it spices up their sex life. But anyone who makes an argument "I have a right to pixel boobies because a woman laughed at me once", they need to sort their shit out because that's just feeble.
Never even played those games cause they're overly shallow and basic (and original Conception was dub only in the USA and didn't seem worthy of an import). I defend them existing uncensored, sure, but due to the principle of the matter, since they shouldn't be censored for things other games get away with way more. Most of my complaints will be in situations like when Zanki Zero for example was censored and a bunch of cutscenes were altered, since that game is actually in the line of the danganronpa games spiritually and I freaking love that series from Spike. (that one was more than definitely worth importing)
But no if you want a good game with those elements, look into Alicesoft products and Nitroplus products. The USA versions of those especially, without the pesky mosaics. Though older Alicesoft stuff is only out in Japan and still worth playing. I think Dohnna Dohnna just got an English release and that thing is epic.
By writ, I agree, but who's arguing that?
I mean, people have the 'right' to have boobs in a piece of media, just as people have the 'right' to look at them, and the 'right' not to (ratings notwithstanding). I don't think "rights" is how most people look at the question.
At the point people attack devs because the devs are choosing to remove the sexualisation of women from games, that's pretty much treating it as a right.
...I like prostitution sims as much as the next horny person in love with systems, but maybe don't use child prostitution sim as a positive example when we're talking about sexism in video games? Like, you literally press-gang captured enemy units into "service"
Half of those instances is people just being resistant to change and wanting things to be how they were, as opposed to being particularly attached to the type of content itself.
The other half is people rightfully reacting to devs trying to "appeal to a broader audience" by compromising what they feel is a central element of a franchise. Such an attitude is always wrong, it was wrong when it caused em to westernize Jrpgs in the 2010s, with the infamous star ocean 4's usa version cutting out the gorgeous handdrawn artwork for the chars in menus and replacing it with the ingame models, and it's wrong in this way too.
You'll notice this doesn't often happen with brand new IPs which don't have sexy chars, which would occur more often if any sizeable segment felt it just deserved sexy girls in everything. No, this happens in already-established franchises which built their fanbase on promising such content. If they promise you it, you can rightfully feel you are owed it.
Also the vast majority of these issues aren't even with the devs but with the localization and publishing folks. There's tons of stories where for example people from Japan explain why they can't release something or are forced to change it. When people are mad at this they're not at the devs, they're mad at the people making the devs change things.
Nah it's more of a Jrpg with a sim side system thing. And no children lol, it's released legally in the US, some artworks are pretty borderline sure but they're all cyborgs and clones and so on. That white hair girl is your pimpmaster educating you in all your duties XD.
Yeah basically the setting is you live in a city run by a corporation that is absolutely totalitarian and does whatever the hell it wants and you run a criminal syndicate to fight them like a team rocket style of villains (think Zvezda Plot if you've seen that show) and you fund it through sex slavery.
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And considering it's less censored in the US than in Japan, I honestly have absolutely zero idea what argument you think you're making here.
Is the problem that "the west" more clearly delineates between its general media and porn whereas Japan muddles in the middle without being able to commit to an extreme?
Nah this one I think wasn't uncensored for some reason in the US version. These things have weird legal situations depending on the company, some things like Fruit of Grisaia don't get away uncencored, others do. I think it may have to do with the headquarters in Japan feeling that releasing it uncensored outside of Japan would hurt their image somehow.
The difference is not really delineating as much as I guess treating something that has some erotic components as nothing but masturbation fuel with no merit beyond that, which is just wrong all around. You can't just overlook all the good parts of a certain character or story just because it has this one element too. And this is about stuff so much milder than anything alicesoft has made in the last 30+ years which is what we were discussing a moment ago that to apply this reasoning to something like that would blow people's mind.
What do you mean your "pimpin' RPG", as their website calls it, has a heartwarming, funny story with thoughtful critique of corporatism and sheep mentality.
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...I feel like the heartwarming, funny story with a thoughtful critique of corporatism and sheep mentality is slightly muddled by all the sex slavery.
EDIT: Also, there's zero reason any dev being "censored" by Sony couldn't do the same thing as Alicesoft and release it independently. It's not like Dohra Dohra is on the Switch, PS4, and Steam
Steam has Evenicle which is another of their games, it doesn't diverge much content-wise so I don't see why it couldn't be on there too when I think about it. Maybe they just don't wanna bother when they figure they can keep all the profit or something, I dunno.
And no the sex slavery system has a mechanical critique built into. Basically the chars have a mental well-being stat, and you intuitively want to take care of the characters and keep them happy, but to be successful you have to basically burn them out and get rid of em and get more to replace them, which makes you feel like a total scumbag, and explains the shadows under the eyes of the protagonist. The prostitution itself isn't all that sexualized or glorified, the moments with your party members and a few story-relevant captives (like you capture this corporate soldier and her clients are other corporate soldiers, which dissilusions her from her brainwashed blind faith to the justice of the corporation) are the only bits that are actually glorified , and those are like out of any dating sim basically. For the vast majority you feel like a huge jerk but you need to do the job cause the company is even worse than you, or maybe it's an excuse and you're just a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum. It stays in that gray area.
And look I'm not saying it's the deepest game ever, it's mainly just very prettily drawn/animated and funny, but it's actually way more than people who'd hear "pimpin' rpg" would imagine.
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Well now that we've conclusively proven that "censorship" isn't a thing and their aren't legions of people waiting in the wings to demonize video games, even the ones with incest and sex slavery, what exactly is the point of this thread?
You've seen The Deer Hunter right? I think it's some form of PTSD left from the Great Forum War.