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[Agema]

This just isn't true. I guarantee there are things you would not sell for anything, that should be enough evidence for you that not everything can be bought, and then you just need to recognize that you're not the single human in a see of robots to understand your whole view is nonsense.

There certainly have been communities which have approached things as communal objectives, where people put in their resources and labour without expectation of direct material reward. However, that's really not representative of the majority of the modern world, is it? Particularly in the context of the housing supply.

If we meant something like childcare, that is something where people tend to do a substantial quantity of labour for effectively nothing, albeit generally only within their own family. And even then, whilst their labour may be free, they tend to buy a lot of stuff to make that childcare go well.

 

[tstorm823]

They're not even in the same general category! That category being commodities. We build houses using commodities. And architectural and urban planning, and so forth. None of these are priceless.

Everything relevant can be bought! Every decision can be bought! Crap, I only meant commodities! Only commodities are relevant!

Oh, did you run face first into a wall there? Ooops.

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I know you're all panicking that I won an argument, but you don't need to run cover when someone messes up that badly. Nothing you say is going to be able to deflect from someone slipping on a banana peel that obviously.

This would appear to show a complete lack of understanding of how inflation works. You can't understand it and think this.

I just want to take a moment here to bask in the glory of this. I, the Republican in the room, have suggested that if we could end homelessness for $100,000,000, the federal government should just do it, it would be worth the potential consequences. And the left-leaning population wants to remind me, the Republican, that government spending can cause inflation. It genuinely doesn't get funnier than this thread. You guys are all over the place trying to rationalize why you need Elon Musk's money, you've somehow taken the conservative argument. Lol.

 

[tstorm823]

There certainly have been communities which have approached things as communal objectives, where people put in their resources and labour without expectation of direct material reward. However, that's really not representative of the majority of the modern world, is it? Particularly in the context of the housing supply.

Every child and many adults live with family for nothing. It absolutely is relevant to housing in the modern world.

 

[Silvanus]

I just want to take a moment here to bask in the glory of this. I, the Republican in the room, have suggested that if we could end homelessness for $100,000,000, the federal government should just do it, it would be worth the potential consequences. And the left-leaning population wants to remind me, the Republican, that government spending can cause inflation. It genuinely doesn't get funnier than this thread. You guys are all over the place trying to rationalize why you need Elon Musk's money, you've somehow taken the conservative argument. Lol.

It "doesn't get funnier" than being so economically illiterate that you genuinely think printing money is the same thing as spending.

You've suggested absolutely nothing except that we don't need to look for funding solutions because we're already doing enough.

 

[tstorm823]

You've suggested absolutely nothing except that we don't need to look for funding solutions because we're already doing enough.

We aren't already doing enough, there is always more to be done, but in this case the more isn't money.

 

[MrCalavera]

We aren't already doing enough, there is always more to be done, but in this case the more isn't money.

What is "more"?

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

I know you're all panicking that I won an argument, but you don't need to run cover when someone messes up that badly. Nothing you say is going to be able to deflect from someone slipping on a banana peel that obviously.

"You're all wrong. I win because I say I win. Yay me!"

 

[tstorm823]

What is "more"?

Progress.

 

[MrCalavera]

Progress.

Which you achieve by...

 

[Cheetodust]

Which you achieve by...

Going forward. Duh.

Genuinely even by the standards I have come to expect this is a particularly impressive bad take and I'm having a great time watching it unfold. Thanks for your service guys. You have far greater patience than I.

 

[tstorm823]

Which you achieve by...

Human effort.

 

[Agema]

Every child and many adults live with family for nothing. It absolutely is relevant to housing in the modern world.

And also for a great number of those people, both the suppliers and recipients of such support, deeply unsatisfactory.

 

[MrCalavera]

Human effort.

How would that human effort look like?

 

[tstorm823]

How would that human effort look like?

It looks like people voluntarily helping those less fortunate. You're not getting anywhere with this line of questioning, don't waste your own time.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Everything relevant can be bought! Every decision can be bought! Crap, I only meant commodities! Only commodities are relevant!

Oh, did you run face first into a wall there? Ooops.

Are you serious?

No. The word "relevant" was there from the beginning. And only commodities and the various human resources that we USE TO BUILD HOUSES AND PLAN CITIES ALREADY are what would be needed. And they all can be bought.

I know you're all panicking that I won an argument, but you don't need to run cover when someone messes up that badly. Nothing you say is going to be able to deflect from someone slipping on a banana peel that obviously.

Oh wow, you are serious. lmao

 

[MrCalavera]

It looks like people voluntarily helping those less fortunate. You're not getting anywhere with this line of questioning, don't waste your own time.

Do you think all help should be voluntary?

Also, on the contrary, i think i'm getting somewhere. You just don't want to answer.

 

[tstorm823]

Do you think all help should be voluntary?

Are you suggesting that if someone is in need of genuine human help, you can solve it by coercing or enslaving another?

No. The word "relevant" was there from the beginning.

I'm aware. Which is what makes the backtrack to "I was talking about commodities" extra fun. Like, do you want to circle back to "Every part of literally any problem, if it can be addressed at all, can be addressed by funding". Maybe I was too kind to you, reading this as "anything useful can be bought", which we both know is untrue. Perhaps you've gone with the inverse, and you believe any problem that cannot be solved with money is a lost cause. Neither option is particularly reasonable viewpoint, not that it particularly matters, because your view here exists only to justify removing wealth from others.

 

[MrCalavera]

Are you suggesting that if someone is in need of genuine human help, you can solve it by coercing or enslaving another?

No. Did you suggest that all help that is needed can be done without MONEY?

 

[Seanchaidh]

Are you suggesting that if someone is in need of genuine human help, you can solve it by coercing or enslaving another?

I'm aware. Which is what makes the backtrack to "I was talking about commodities" extra fun.

There was never a backtrack. Commodities are not the only things that can be bought, but they are what is needed to build houses (apart from varied and also very purchasable human efforts).

Like, do you want to circle back to "Every part of literally any problem, if it can be addressed at all, can be addressed by funding".

Propose a problem that you think can't be addressed by funding.

 

[tstorm823]

No. Did you suggest that all help that is needed can be done without MONEY?

No, I didn't.