The Alarm Is Sounding On NFTs

Dalisclock

Making lemons combustible again
Legacy
Escapist +
Feb 9, 2008
11,286
7,082
118
A Barrel In the Marketplace
Country
Eagleland
Gender
Male
PETA I already knew about a long time ago. The American Breast Cancer Foundation, doesn't shock me in the slightest. I forgot Habitat Of Humanity even existed. I think the last time I ever donated something to the Child Wish...was let's see...2008?
My mom did work for Make a Wish. She left in disgust due to a number of reasons but that was high on the list. Apparently there was also problems with people abusing the wishes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

RhombusHatesYou

Surreal Estate Agent
Mar 21, 2010
7,595
1,914
118
Between There and There.
Country
The Wide, Brown One.
The thing is the stock market is different and based more in reality then NFTs, but I don't know how to put that in words. Best I can do is the stock market is based on your trust in a company and wanting to invest in part of it, either for dividends or in hopes that the stock will grow in value.
NFT owners can't band together and tell you how to run your shit, either.
 

CriticalGaming

Elite Member
Legacy
Dec 28, 2017
11,259
5,693
118
It's this whole thing where Bitcoin mining sucks power like a mofo. NFT is apparently designed such that it doesn't take a pile of computing power and by extension electricity, to make them.
Aren't NFT's literally just jpeg files?


This sort of stems from one of the current primary arguments against Bitcoin which comes from an environmental standpoint - basically Bitcoin mining burdens the power grid and causes power plants to up production in exchange for effectively nothing. That argument is being taken seriously by regulatory groups because there's still this uncertainty as to how Bitcoin generation should be taxed, tracked and managed. Since it's being treated as basic income there's no carbon tax so there's no offset. Depends on where you live of course but I really haven't heard of anywhere that is dealing with the tax/carbon aspect of Bitcoin particularly well as of yet.
The power grid stuff is also confusing to me. Generating electricity isn't a carbon emitting process in theory. You can generate power from solar panels, or hydro-electric generators. I don't see how crypto is "poluting" in any sense other than power sucking off a grid that needs to be used fairly evenly over a section of population.
 

RhombusHatesYou

Surreal Estate Agent
Mar 21, 2010
7,595
1,914
118
Between There and There.
Country
The Wide, Brown One.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand let's not forget that a lot of NFTs out there were produced without permission of the artists that created them. That's going to end up as a huge issue... and as soon as some IP lawyers get bored enough or an artist with deep enough pockets gets pissed off enough it's gonna make for very interesting reading.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

EvilRoy

The face I make when I see unguarded pie.
Legacy
Jan 9, 2011
1,846
544
118
Aren't NFT's literally just jpeg files?




The power grid stuff is also confusing to me. Generating electricity isn't a carbon emitting process in theory. You can generate power from solar panels, or hydro-electric generators. I don't see how crypto is "poluting" in any sense other than power sucking off a grid that needs to be used fairly evenly over a section of population.
NFTs are jpegs with a special trackable ID. So yeah basically just jpegs but jpegs you can grift people into paying their life savings for.

As far as power generation, I mean you're not wrong that we do have clean energy sources as options, but a lot of places don't particularly have them in place yet. I live in Canada, a wealthy relatively progressive country with massive tracts of stable unused land that can easily have solar, hydro, or wind put on it. But we're only just getting there - if someone brings a crypto plant online there's a really good chance the power is gonna come from a coal or natural gas power plant.

If you do something to massively increase the power demand in an area, whether you're putting on a sick laser light show or mining crypto, then you are causing more coal or gas to be burned and effectively polluting. The issue with crypto is that it's basically a constant extra demand as opposed to most other high energy events which usually follow cycles or are just brief in general.
 

RhombusHatesYou

Surreal Estate Agent
Mar 21, 2010
7,595
1,914
118
Between There and There.
Country
The Wide, Brown One.
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me then.
This is the correct conclusion.


Actually, how most NFTs work is each NFT (jpeg, gif, png, whatever really) is stuck somewhere on the web and the webaddress and the current owner for it are what goes into the blockchain. In most cases there aren't even special viewers on the websites that prevent the use of Copy or Print Screen commands... so they're trying to force artificial scarcity on something that is infinitely reproducable. And people are falling for that shit and throwing money at it.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

RhombusHatesYou

Surreal Estate Agent
Mar 21, 2010
7,595
1,914
118
Between There and There.
Country
The Wide, Brown One.
The absolute BEST thing about crypto and all this shit is that once upon a time the cool thing was to donate idle computer processing cycles to things like SETI and Folding (and other distributed processing projects) helping crunch massive sets of numbers for SCIENCE! So of course it had to eventually be twisted into a massive scam to make money.

Where's that Extinction Event Asteroid I ordered?
 

Cheetodust

Elite Member
Jun 2, 2020
1,583
2,293
118
Country
Ireland
So I work in a WeWork style work space. Lots of small tech and finance companies. Lot's of bros. Overheard one bro bragging about his 12 year old son using his pocket money to buy crypto and invest in NFT's.
 

Schadrach

Elite Member
Legacy
Mar 20, 2010
2,180
426
88
Country
US
Aren't NFT's literally just jpeg files?
No, they're data stored on the blockchain so that bit of data can be assigned ownership and traded using that blockchain. Imagine I charged you a dollar a byte to create a file that basically says "The following data belongs to CriticalGaming: $DATA" and store it in a mostly immutable ledger in a way that allows you to sell or trade it with other people if you can convince them it has value.

The direct consequence of which is that the $DATA bit there usually isn't even a JPEG file, but a hyperlink to a JPEG file, since a hyperlink is several orders of magnitude less data than the JPEG itself.

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me then.
Now you're getting it. The most important thing about NFTs for the people promoting them are that they can sell you NFTs and that transactions for NFTs are done in crypto, which creates a "legitimate" use case for cryptocurrency and thus helps buoy the value of crypto as well. At least until the cost of quantum computing goes down and you don't have to be a government to kill all modern cryptography using Shor's algorithm.
 

Schadrach

Elite Member
Legacy
Mar 20, 2010
2,180
426
88
Country
US
Where's that Extinction Event Asteroid I ordered?
99942 - Apophis is still scheduled to visit us on Friday, April 13th, 2029. It is the highest thing to ever be rated on the Torino impact hazard scale at a 4, before being reclassified to a 1 and then a 0.