Funny events in anti-woke world
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That would depend on the union... there are some truly shitty ones out there that exist primarily to self-perpetuate rather than protect and support their members.
Make admin and the majority of executive positions direct employees of the union not rank and file union members. They'll figure the rest out pretty quickly themselves.
Also, maybe engage in some rebranding. Slavery sounds so... outdated. How about Cradle To Grave Employment (Mandatory)?
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Communism is the product of the European enlighrment, just as the US constitution is
This is how Michigan is doing...
I.e. Really into controlling the populace without regard to the constitution. Normal conservative stuff
No it didn't.
The treaty of Brest-Litovsk completely dismantled the Western part of the Russian empire. Russia lost nearly half of its European lands, which were carved up by the central powers and distributed amongst themselves. In this process, Ukraine (at that point one of the richest areas of the Russian empire) became a German puppet state. In total, Russia lost around half of its industrial base, as well as its most productive agricultural regions, and also committed to paying massive war reparations.
The signing of the treaty of Brest-Litovsk was an act of unbelievable desperation, and there is a good historical argument that it was unnecessary. Lenin wanted to save the government. Politically, he couldn't afford to lose Petrograd, because the Bolsheviks were not popular outside of Petrograd. The simple fact is though, the Central Powers would have lost. They were not in any position to hold or administer enormous occupied territories in eastern Europe. The revolution in Russia would have survived without signing the treaty, it just might not have been a Bolshevik revolution any more, and that wasn't an acceptable outcome.
Of course, at the time the treaty was signed, a socialist national government in Ukraine had already declared independence, and had been fighting for months against both the Central Powers and Russia, so the Ukraine wasn't really part of Russia even before that, certainly not after.
But the reason you shouldn't remind me personally of this is because the Bolsheviks systematically used, betrayed and murdered everyone who allied with them in the civil war. The fascists, in their wildest dreams, could scarcely hope to be as good at murdering communists as the Bolsheviks were.
You ask me what the great mass of Russian people should have done. They should have drowned every last Bolshevik in the Neva.
It's not 1917 any more. The world revolution isn't coming because it died with all the communists the Bolsheviks murdered. No national revolution will ever succeed because capitalism is bigger than nations. We will not defeat capitalism in our lifetimes. We may not defeat it for centuries. The world is not going to get better. It is going to get worse, and there is nothing any of us can do about it.
This is not the time to sell out to fascists and hope they will give you the better world you want. They won't, in case it wasn't obvious. It doesn't actually matter whether the government of Ukraine is pro-Western or pro-Russian, any more than it matters whether Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. Deciding that all criticism of Amazon must be Elonist propaganda to oppress the maligned and misunderstood Jeffrey is the most pointless, servile, hollow gesture that I can imagine.
This is the time when you hold your ideals close, because they are the only legacy any of us will leave.
If you want something to do, start a union. Volunteer your time to help people who need it. Instead of using your voice to defend fascists you are fortunate enough not to live under, use it to advocate for the people who are most vulnerable to abuse or who lack voices of their own. Organize and agitate to make yourself visible. If all else fails, survive, and live a life that is as free as you can make it in hope that others will find the courage to do the same. If you want to make alliances or advocate for political elites, don't do it with fascists you are fortunate enough not to live under, do it with people who will push the public debate towards the left, who will make the incremental change that may one day make the impossible possible. Sow hope in the cracks of a dying world.
Or if that sounds too sappy, make a bomb. Blow up some cops. I can't stop you. I'm not your mum.
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Yes, OK, time traveling Bolsheviks came to the United States and murdered the black panthers and did McCarthyism, sure
Don't have the patience to deal with the rest of your doomerism
They didn't need to.
They killed the idea of a world without capitalism, because they failed so fucking hard they managed to make capitalism look good.
It would have been better to lose to the whites, at least then the idea could have lived.
Am I a (still not unionized) employee of Paypal in this scenario? Has Elon Musk put military bases around the entire world and threatened to use them to seize the assets of Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates who, between them, invest around a fifth of the amount Elon does in their security services? Should I as a paypal employee being exhorted to work longer hours and accept worse pay so that there will be more left over in Paypal's coffers to enable Elon Musk's various military adventures around the world treat Elon Musk's declarations of Bezos and Gates atrocities against the Ford family fortune as anything but self-serving war propaganda?
I think I'll have to agree with Lenin on this one:
Fuck Elon Musk.
In your estimation. Sounds like a personal problem, to be honest.
Er, how do you explain the success (or even attempts) of communist revolutions elsewhere then? Or were they just revolutions against the current rulings that used communism (or its trappings) to get rid of them?
tstorm will be with you shortly to address your concerns, and say they are all in your head and conservatives are just motivated by wholesome conservative motives that aren't at all evil.
Well, I definitely would have said all those bombing against the average communists by Lenin before he even entered Russia set back the idea of communism back 100 years. Lenin also took communism down a very different track than most would have agreed to
Maybe. But sometimes you have to test something to find out that it doesn't work. Otherwise you're just going to end up testing the same failure later on.
This doesn't bear scrutiny.
The success of the Bolsheviks in overthrowing the monarchy and taking over the country in a (nominally at least) socialist revolution is credited with inspiring other socialist and anti-capitalist uprisings throughout the world: in Germany, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Cuba, and South America to name a few. Because it was not just the ability of the ruling party to stick to its principles (or not) that gave inspiration, but also the demonstration that 1) the Empires could be overthrown by force, and 2) there is at least some appetite for worker empowerment/ worker government.
Had the White Army been victorious, most of these other uprisings would not have been possible, or even attempted. And a few of them ended up being more successful than a lot of their capitalist contemporaries.
The Revolution did not, on balance, harm the idea of communism globally. Stalinism did, not least by alienating the other socialist states and parties that might otherwise have been collegiate allies. But then Stalinism is in many ways a betrayal of the Russian Revolution anyway.
Lmao. (The referenced "arrested nice lady" is Tina Peters who tried kicking a cop while shouting at them during her arrest
)A logical trajectory.
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Eh, if he was really an alien from Venus, I'd be less interested in what he's got to say about Margaret Thatcher (who we know stuff about) than what it's like on Venus.
Wait, psychics on Venus?
EDIT: Wait wait...he can channel people like Donald Trump and he's speaking after Donald Trump? Doesn't that make one of them redundant?
Wait, psychics on Venus?
EDIT: Wait wait...he can channel people like Donald Trump and he's speaking after Donald Trump? Doesn't that make one of them redundant?
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The enlightenment is terribly overrated, and has much less impact on the formation of America than people think.
Not everything is terrible. Well, at least one thing isn't anyway.
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Arbery killers convicted of federal hate crimes in his death
Whether the three white men sentenced to life in prison in state court for murdering Ahmaud Arbery also are guilty of hate crimes is now in the hands of a federal jury.
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Who cares?
None of them are worth defending.
If you're going to urge pragmatism, the least you could do is be pragmatic about something you can actually change.
In any reasonable estimation.
What do you think happens when you enforce a one-party dictatorship, suppress and kill all other left-wing political and intellectual figures, suppress all communist movements internationally not explicitly aligned with your party, intervene in other countries in order to murder left-wing activists and revolutionaries not explicitly aligned with your party.
Joseph McCarthy should have got on his knees every night and thanked God for the Bolsheviks, the most effective anti-communists in history.
A lot of people didn't need to "test" to figure out that Bolshevism would be a failure.
A lot of people died fighting it, or speaking out against it. The monstrous and horrible irony is that the thing those people fought for is now inexplicably bound in the public imagination with the failure of Bolshevism.
The Bolsheviks didn't overthrow the monarchy. The monarchy was actually overthrown by the provisional government. The Bolsheviks, at the time merely the leading party of a nominally democratic Petrograd Soviet, staged a military coup against the provisional government (itself lead by the Socialist Revolutionary Party). The Bolsheviks then began the increasingly brutal suppression of other socialist parties, nominally under the excuse of preserving the peace with the Central Powers which many other socialist parties opposed.
That's not even close to a complete list. What about the revolution in Finland, crushed by the whites and their German allies after the Bolsheviks ordered the people in occupied territories not to attack the forces of the Central Powers. What about the Ukraine, crushed by the Bolsheviks themselves. Catalonia, crushed by Stalinists. The third revolution in Russia itself. The Krondstadt rebellion, also in Russia itself.
The leaders of the KPD who participated in the Sparticist uprising in Germany would have been arrested and shot in Russia. Many of the leaders of the Hungarian revolution were arrested and shot in Russia. I'm not kidding when I describe the Bolsheviks as the most effective anti-communists in history.
Several of the ones you describe had already happened by the end of the Russian civil war.