Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[Buyetyen]

But the most revered comedians talk about everyday life situations more than anything else. Relatability is key.

For the most part, what you seem to be thinking of is observational comedy: pointing out the absurdities in life that people just sort of take for granted and never really talk about. This is not mutually exclusive with satire of empowered individuals, and in fact there's a lot of overlap. George Carlin was a brilliant observational comedian and he frequently pointed out the absurdities of empowered groups.

My problem was with your initial claim that nobody punches up because nobody can relate to it.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Some woke tweets


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[Trunkage]

No of course there is punching up is some degree, so long as it's something or someone that everyone encounters. Presidents, polticial figures (within reason), Harvey Weinstien, that kind of thing.

But the most revered comedians talk about everyday life situations more than anything else. Relatability is key.

Yeah, this does NOT match with what you've stated in the last page or two

 

[Baffle]

How are you saying that hitting someone is less harmful than the words of a joke? This is the ridiculousness we live in today.

It's perfectly possible. The line is much clearer that physical violence is more likely to land you in legal hot water, so fewer people will imitate what they've seen. Abusing people based on their appearance? Not so much, happens all the time. And certainly the insult levelled about her alopecia will have stung other people suffering the same - people perhaps without the protection of fame and wealth who just put up with that shit every day at work - whereas the rest of us didn't feel that slap (which, tbf, doesn't look like it would have hurt that much).

 

[Buyetyen]

It's perfectly possible. The line is much clearer that physical violence is more likely to land you in legal hot water, so fewer people will imitate what they've seen. Abusing people based on their appearance? Not so much, happens all the time. And certainly the insult levelled about her alopecia will have stung other people suffering the same - people perhaps without the protection of fame and wealth who just put up with that shit every day at work - whereas the rest of us didn't feel that slap (which, tbf, doesn't look like it would have hurt that much).

I've been on the receiving end of verbal bullying severe enough that I've actually contemplated suicide. And to anyone thinking of telling me it's because I'm too sensitive, I guarantee that had you gone through even half the shit I have, you would have put a gun in your mouth years ago.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

You're missing the point. This isn't really about defending Will Smith, it's about shitting on his wife. Any excuse to do so will suffice.

Oh I'm sorry are you suggesting women are not as capable in all areas as men so she couldn't possible have anything to do with what went on?

This is all manufactured celeb media guff that you're just connecting to this event without much credible reason to. Can't you see that?

Well if you want to go down the line of the interview etc ages ago was all staged Will Smith really did deserve that Best Actor Oscar considering his performance in said interview.

The Red Table talk and the one with I think it's Will's daughter and Jada (Sorry I can't link to it as it's buried under tons of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock content)

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So in the history of comedy, no one has ever gone after the powers that be as the subject of their jokes? You really want to make that argument?

But the true question is what way is up?

Is up punching at the grouchy old racist dude who was once a factory worker but lost his job to a foreign worker who came in even cheaper ending his career effectively?

Or is punching up pointing to the the Billionaire at the top exploiting the foreign worker to enrich themselves while screwing over the old dude causing him to end up being racist.

Is punching up a bunch of Western Cartoonists making fun of how angry barely educated foreigners with a penchant for violence get?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

It's perfectly possible. The line is much clearer that physical violence is more likely to land you in legal hot water, so fewer people will imitate what they've seen. Abusing people based on their appearance? Not so much, happens all the time. And certainly the insult levelled about her alopecia will have stung other people suffering the same - people perhaps without the protection of fame and wealth who just put up with that shit every day at work - whereas the rest of us didn't feel that slap (which, tbf, doesn't look like it would have hurt that much).

I've been on the receiving end of verbal bullying severe enough that I've actually contemplated suicide. And to anyone thinking of telling me it's because I'm too sensitive, I guarantee that had you gone through even half the shit I have, you would have put a gun in your mouth years ago.

A single joke is not verbal abuse or as harmful as hitting someone.

 

[Baffle]

A single joke is not verbal abuse or as harmful as hitting someone.

Shut up you moron lol

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Well perfect example. Just don't make trans jokes at all, without being trans yourself because otherwise it's a big problem.

Have you thought about trying to make a trans joke where the punchline isn't "but they're trans"?

 

[Avnger]

Have you thought about trying to make a trans joke where the punchline isn't "but they're trans"?

Of course not. "I identify as an attack helicopter" and "did you just assume my gender" are the literal peak of regressive comedy.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Of course not. "I identify as an attack helicopter" and "did you just assume my gender" are the literal peak of regressive comedy.

Did you just assume my comedic preference?

 

[Trunkage]

Did you just assume my comedic preference?

So, in my opinion, jokes are about set up and pay off. I feel like this is what you did here using Avengr set up

My problem comes when you (the general you, not you personally CG) just start shouting punchlines and dont bother doing the set up. That's not jokes, that's just shouting catchphrases

Anyway, this is got nothing to do with Smith/Rock

 

[Silvanus]

How are you saying that hitting someone is less harmful than the words of a joke? This is the ridiculousness we live in today.

"Harm" is the impact something has, right? A slight sting in the cheek is not a massive harm.

Someone having their disability mocked in front of a full room, and in front of TV cameras, is having a worse fucking time.

 

[Generals]

"Harm" is the impact something has, right? A slight sting in the cheek is not a massive harm.

Someone having their disability mocked in front of a full room, and in front of TV cameras, is having a worse fucking time.

See now, you're purposely misrepresenting events. The slap also happened in front of a full room, and in front of TV cameras. And I am certain people like being physically assaulted on camera even less than behind closed doors. His wife may have gotten verbally "humiliated" but he was physically assaulted and humiliated as well. This was a totally unnecessary escalation.

Additionally I was under the impression making fun of each other was common during these types of celebrity events.

 

[Silvanus]

See now, you're purposely misrepresenting events. The slap also happened in front of a full room, and in front of TV cameras. And I am certain people like being physically assaulted on camera even less than behind closed doors. His wife may have gotten verbally "humiliated" but he was physically assaulted and humiliated as well. This was a totally unnecessary escalation.

I don't really think the insult/humiliation is on the same level, honestly.

Additionally I was under the impression making fun of each other was common during these types of celebrity events.

Making fun of careers, personalities, bad movies etc is. Making fun of someone's disability is not.

 

[Silvanus]

Well if you want to go down the line of the interview etc ages ago was all staged Will Smith really did deserve that Best Actor Oscar considering his performance in said interview.

The Red Table talk and the one with I think it's Will's daughter and Jada (Sorry I can't link to it as it's buried under tons of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock content)

No, I'm not saying all that blah-de-blah is staged. I'm saying it's irrelevant. And the reason you're seeing connections and making assumptions about the private lives of two people you don't know anything about is that you've built an image of them that's been filtered and built by celebrity media.

 

[Generals]

I don't really think the insult/humiliation is on the same level, honestly.

Making fun of careers, personalities, bad movies etc is. Making fun of someone's disability is not.

well that's why i used quotation marks. We're talking about very low level humiliation here. I guess "Insult" may be more appropriate. But in the end both events occurred in front of everyone. One got publicly verbally "abused" and the other physically.

And it's a purely cosmetic disability. It's not like she was bald as a consequence of cancer treatment.

Additionally I feel like people are overestimating how bad obvious jokes made by a comedian make people feel. That a narcissistic Hollywood personality feels insulted is no surprise, but I am fairly certain average Joe/Jane with alopecia wouldn't feel insulted by a stupid GI Jane joke in such a context. I have seen comedians making much "worse" jokes about much worse conditions in front of audiences filled with people having those conditions who were laughing their asses off.

 

[Silvanus]

well that's why i used quotation marks. We're talking about very low level humiliation here. I guess "Insult" may be more appropriate. But in the end both events occurred in front of everyone. One got publicly verbally "abused" and the other physically.

Uh-huh, but you put the quotation marks around the other incident. I'm saying Jada was more insulted than Rock. Ain't even close.

And it's a purely cosmetic disability. It's not like she was bald as a consequence of cancer treatment.

I don't think this is the route you want to go down, if you don't want to appear callous.

 

[Generals]

Uh-huh, but you put the quotation marks around the other incident. I'm saying Jada was more insulted than Rock. Ain't even close.

I beg to defer. There is no reason to believe such a petty joke in this context is more humiliating or insulting than the public slap, which is much more out of the ordinary in such an event than low level roasting.

I don't think this is the route you want to go down, if you don't want to appear callous.

Sure it is. We're talking about a purely cosmetic disability someone ultra privileged has had for a long time. Is it in poor taste? perhaps. But it sure doesn't warrant physical violence.