Yeh and yet somehow they still make who they're attracted to the central part of their character as a whole and the most important thing they think the audience must know about so often.
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Ok then what was Bill's personality again other than being a Lesbian and when the plot felt it relevant to bring up her being black?
What were her hobbies?
What did she like other than women?
"Oh but that's just one character......."
Yeh no it's actually far more than just the on and if needed I will go into I will it but this is just me pre-empting the inevitable response so I won't just yet.
I'm sure you have many anecdotes of fictional character writing that doesn't match your mysterious and inconsistent standards. Nobody gives a shit. I'm talking about real people. Keep up.
So you're telling me you think everyone in the TV shows you watch are real people and not actors playing a role?
Because we were talking about TV shows. So if you're trying to move the conversation to be about real people now wouldn't that be at best a highly irrelevant tangent to what was being talked about and more truthfully a completely irrelevant non sequitur argument considering what was being discussed.
No, some-one replying to me though and you were talking to me just so I'm guessing you're admitting you can't actually counter what I've said here and are rushing to deflect and save face.
Oh goodie. A whole lot of nonsense. Also, maybe trying looking up what straw man is and see that it just has your own picture. See these two line below as REALLY good examples. Also, just reread your post as example of strawmen but I only have enough patience and desire to start so many fires.
Let's just deal with this one because this is, from what I see, is the route of this nonsense.
The closest thing to this message is some (and I repeat some, no where near all say this) is the suggestion that you can support x minority thing by buying it. Which is exactly how any ad work irrelevant of white cis hetero or minority. It's called capitalism. If you feel peer pressure just... don't do it? (I don't know, never ever understood why you doing something just because you feel peer pressure.) If you worried about not being seen as an 'ally' or whatever, don't worry, no one thinks you are.
Let's just deal with this one because this is, from what I see, is the route of this nonsense.
There has been, nor ever will be a mandate or obligation on paying for stuff that doesn't appeal to you. If you don't want to, you just.... don't do it. I've never seen Brokeback Mountain. I know, what are shock. So, under your made up terms you've made above, I should have my LBGT credit stripped and bank account drained or something. Funnily enough, the reality is NOBODY cares. I haven't been ostracised. It hasn't hurt me in anyway. When I criticise 'woke' movies, I just talk about how they movie is bad. I don't have to prove my anti-SJW credentials by making up lies about movies. And nobody reacts because I'm not trying to force opinions and make up arguments that are based on identity politics. I thought Force Awakens was terrible. (I said the worst Star Wars at the time but number 9 came out later) I was also able to have conversation about it without being classed as a bigot because I didn't make up evidence or pretend it was anti-white (If you want to know when they start caring, it's when you pretend some reason so movies they like and use that to try and cancel it). It's real easy. If your arguments aren't ideologically driven with no basis in reality and aiming to cancel things, you can talk about it with most people
The closest thing to this message is some (and I repeat some, no where near all say this) is the suggestion that you can support x minority thing by buying it. Which is exactly how any ad work irrelevant of white cis hetero or minority. It's called capitalism. If you feel peer pressure just... don't do it? (I don't know, never ever understood why you doing something just because you feel peer pressure.) If you worried about not being seen as an 'ally' or whatever, don't worry, no one thinks you are.
You keep pretending pushing this stuff is a bad thing. It's not. If capitalism learns that profit isn't the most important thing... hurray that would be wonderful. The issue is that Hollywood does see that pushing this stuff is INCREDIBLY profitable so they are going to keep going. I would love for Hollywood to stop sanitising everything. I also find it laughable to think you would be worried about woke business and their sales and what not. But none of this is telling you to pay for it. Again, you don't like it. Just don't pay for it
They don't. Less often than straight characters.
You're just noticing and objecting because they're gay.
1) law enforcement sometimes cant always get an initial response right. This sort of things hasn't happened in the OSCARS for 50 year. I was not surprised that anyone was not ready to deal with a situation like this but that part of your criticism has some merit, because perhaps they should have. An immediate reaction would have been nice but I'm not surprised they weren't ready
2) Being charge with assault and battery would be nice. Yes, I understand Ukraine is going on, but surely we can do this too
I don't think I can name a straight character who is basically fully defined by being straight and only talks about how straight they are. Even Johnny Bravo manages to have more of a character to him.
Almost like I'm playing the same game by the same rules as others here now and said people are getting mad and trying to pretend it's somehow unfair.
Ok so under the rules being put out then you're saying you're a homophobe as you should have supported Brokeback Mountain right?
That was the argument being used against me for saying I'm just not into some stuff. Even me being fine with it existing and just not being for me. No I had to actively engage and enjoy it apparently and couldn't merely go with "It's not for me".
If Nobody cared why was I getting the 3rd degree only a page or two ago?
Clearly some people do care a bit too much.
As for "Making up lies about the movie" care to point out when I've done that or do I throw that strawman on the fire with the rest?
A for able to have conversations. Yeh maybe because you didn't have to spend half the fucking argument wading through and dealing with fucking strawmen while the people so very intent to paint people with broad brushes who seem very intent to defend broad stereotype characters in media keep churning more and more out and getting more and more fucking determine to make you accept one of the Strawmen as your position.
Maybe if you want an actual good faith conversation and discussion you don't start off by forcing a person to deal with fucking strawmen argument that work only on people who emotionally knee jerk then spend the next month pretending to be right before finally stopping to read and understand what's going on.
Yeh and I wonder where the attempted peer pressure is coming from?
Could it possibly be the people who have been trying to imply to a greater or lesser degree that I'm a bigot in the past few fucking pages?
Pretty fucking funny to say just don't bow to peer pressure when yours is the side trying to apply it too then getting mad when I refuse to play the game the way I'm meant to or whatever.
Except it literally hasn't that's where the push for mass appeal comes from.
1 product to appeal to all and offend no-one rather than a range of products.
It's the artistic equivalent of barely flavoured gruel. Acceptable to everyone and palatable enough but offensive to as few people as possible.
It isn't representation that's worth a damn.
Whatever Robert Yang is making in gaming definitely isn't for me but I'll be damned if I didn't push for his work to be allowed onto steam and for him to be paid for it.
Hollywood doesn't see it as profitable, it sees it as expansion territory because it can pull in a demographic not normally brought in and one of the few they don't cater to specifically one way or another but without having to actually you know make films for that demographic and can instead just try to make them one more that they try to add to mass appeal properties.
To throw my $0.02 in on this.
I've seen the problems out there.
I've seen my capacity to change things.
Changing a persons mind on Will Smith or whatever petty BS going on is probably going to have more of an impact than me talking to some-one else unable to affect change with regards to for example the world soil degradation issues
Dude. A homophobe ATTACKS gay people (verbally and physically) over being gay. I said you didn't like gay things in movies. Then you pretends its the people who write gay people's fault. You just dont like it. That's fine. You can not like what you dont like. Just lie about writing skills when you were never going to like it
So, if you are attack gay people over them being gay, that would make you a homophobe. Have you been doing that, do you think?
Most of your argument around this are strawman. Or you have one quote from one person and pretend everyone believes the same thing. If you don't want people to strawman you, stop doing it to others.
Lastly 'I'm letting them just exist"... yeah, citation needed. You've said plenty of things to the opposite and nothing for this
People are allowed to voice opinions. It's you that's getting triggered by them
You have stated that all gay people in movies are vapid and 2 dimensional. That 's an incredible statement that's highly unlikely to be true even in your mind. If you want to take it as me calling you a bigot, so be it.
Now, you're proabbly going to say, 'I didnt mean all gay people.' And I'm going to say, 'why did you say it then?'
Here's some other peer pressure you seemed to be worried about
Leo & Layla's History Adventures with Frederick Douglass | PragerU
I'll note that this is way more peer pressure than what you find in moviesI can pull up a hundreds more from conservative if you want. The whole point of being a conservative is following tradition which is just PEER PRESSURE from dead people.
If you want to see something that not related to media, go have a look at the discussion around climate change/coal. Or masks/vaccines. Or Ukraine. Or Brexit.
If you dont want to follow the peer pressure, fine man. Peer pressure from everywhere. That's how the world exists. It's not going to stop just because you realise it exists
Sure is. And that's fine because that's how Hollywood work. Always has been You aren't going to find anything of substance from there AND as I've stated previously, its only a problem for you now.... when the gays are in. Even when its been that way for over a century.
Who in the flying fuck would care except Robert Yang?
You know that you are saying that Hollywood should only follow a certain demographic (and definitely exclude others) because you don't want it put in front of certain demograpics. Also, you said mass appeal was bad above. Shouldn't you want normal movies to not disperse out to various demographics? This is a terrible argument
Good thing you aren't a teacher in Florida, you sex teacher
If you want to discuss the impact of marketing a product like Barbie solely to girls, fine, but that's not what we're talking about here, and that's not what conservatives are aiming for with these bills targeting specifically the LGBTQ+ in classrooms, or people talking about the gay agenda being pushed.
Romance was never an issue in movies or products meant for children - heck, girls playing with fake babies that could actually pee was never an issue - until the prospect that it could be of the gay variety. Then all of a sudden romance is a concept children should absolutely not be exposed to.
Also, there were Barbie dolls in my kindergarden class, and it wasn't a sex den where little girls were getting groomed, it was just a classroom with toys. I mean, I know you're trying spin this around on me, but have some common sense, huh.
