Why did you have to bring that up? I can hear them coming now. The cheeto packet rustling as their lungs whistle to expand their ample chests far enough to draw in the air to tell us all about what's realistic in the world of strength training.
Utah creates 5 person commission to regulate one trans girl playing sports
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Why did you have to bring that up? I can hear them coming now. The cheeto packet rustling as their lungs whistle to expand their ample chests far enough to draw in the air to tell us all about what's realistic in the world of strength training.
Fewer even than that.
a) Because most of the people currently identifying as trans are just depressed, and searching for a way to explain their depression. Now they are identifying as a gender identity that you can't even define. Identifying as a woman when we aren't even allowed to define the word woman is not going to help anyone put new meaning into their life.
b) It's being cynically pushed as a political wedge issue. Democrats and the mainstream media are getting decreasing amounts of traction yelling "racist" repeatedly, and are reaching for more ways to isolate "minorities" from society, cause that is their election strategy of the last 60 years. If they can just get enough of the youth to identify as LGBTQ+, they can milk 20 more years out of that strategy.
That's not how understanding nature works. Like, the ideal gas law is a really clean equation that's been used to great success to describe nature, but it's only accurate in ideal circumstances. Reality is rarely ideal, so there are variations with like a half dozen extra variables and constants, and there are still many exceptions. Physics problems have clean equations to solve them in a theoretical frictionless vacuum. There is no law of nature I'm aware of which fits with nature cleanly, accurately, and without exception. But we treat them as laws of nature, with exceptions, because that is the paradigm that is useful. A 99% effective description of nature in real circumstances is more useful and consistent than a law that applies only in a frictionless vacuum, yet you are here to dispute it because there are exceptions.
Adding "mental health" to the list of things you think you understand but don't.
As someone with major depression, you are overtly full of shit.
By Republicans. Quit blaming everyone else for your own moral and intellectual failings.
Your commitment to never actually making an argument is duly noted. "You are wrong" is not an argument if you can't explain why.
You made several truth claims, but you didn't back a single one of them up with anything other than your usual, empty science-denialist sophistry and projection. Try backing up any one of your claims with evidence and you'll get a more substantive reply. Until then, I will treat you with the contempt and dismissal your ignorance and bigotry deserves.
It's not depression, it's an invisible unicorn shooting lasers from space
prove me wrong with evidence
Fuck me running. Is that what you consider making an argument yourself? All you did was say shit with no evidence whatsoever. Why should anyone put in more effort than you do. If you tried to argue that the moon is made of cheese I wouldn't link you to articles on the chemical composition of moon rocks. I'd tell you you're wrong and get some pizza and enjoy life.
Hey now, expecting Tstorm to back up his arguments with evidence is unfair! You have to just accept that he's right about everything all the time.
I can define it.
In fact, I can define it more accurately than you can, because I understand the basic difference between the material reality of human bodies and the immaterial mass of cultural and ideological information that has built up around them, something you seem to struggle immensely with.
I agree.
Religious conservatives know they can't score political points bashing gays any more, so they've moved on to the next softest target. When that fails, they will find someone even more hated (probably furries, some of them have already tried to move on to furries).
..and therefore, it shouldn't be relied upon outside of those circumstances.
Even this incredibly weak and misleading analogy falls apart on the most basic level of examination. Using an incomplete theoretical model over a more complete one because the incomplete one is "clean" is just bad.
I'm not going to sit here and shit on the idea of speculative or abstract theory because that would be rather hypocritical. But the purpose of coming up with simple rules is to test them against reality and, when they fail (because they will) to find out why. Ultimately, the point is to arrive at a theory that is more complex and complete, that has as few exceptions as possible or ideally no exceptions at all. That is how the understanding of reality grows and develops, not by picking a simple rule and dogmatically sticking to it because it works sometimes and that's good enough.
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It's Tstorm, all he does is goal post and make non-sensical arguments. You would have better conversations with Starscream.
Ironic enough, those same idiots almost always have no problem with muscular women from anime or Japanese made games. Over half of the female cast in Street Fighter is muscular in some way. Either in legs and thighs, arms, shoulders, or all of the above. And the ones that don't have an athletic build that makes sense.
Why are you making me run just to get a fuck? That's seems like way too convoluted and exhaustive
That's about my response to female space marines in 40k. I'm totally for it, I just don't want to listen about 'you can't change the lore' when the first space marine produced were both male and female... which sounds like changed lore to me. Pointing this out just seems to infuriate others
Strawman. Why aren't you for eliminating women's sports entirely then, isn't that a perfect example of your "separate but equal" logic you keep using for everything you don't like? Women's sports is also discrimination. Discrimination on it's own isn't a bad thing, it's just associated mainly with racism but it's done by people everyday outside of bad things like racism.
Huh? Out themselves to cops, I literally have no clue how you got there. Unconscious people going to the hospital are events that happen extremely rarely?
My family's family physician isn't in some wellness cult. Too much water is bad for you too. The American Heart Association recommended not to have more than 3 egg yolks a week when that was complete bullshit. Most of the eggs nutrients are in the yolk so by getting only egg whites, you're purposefully eating unhealthier. You can eat several eggs a day and be more than healthy. Eggs are healthier than probably like 90% of everything else you can find in the grocery store. Eggs aren't "superfood" because I'm claiming they're in the top 10% of food at the grocery store, it's just such a low bar because so much of the food at the store is just plain garbage food. Eggs are a good food and it should not be recommended against limiting egg consumption unless you're just going ridiculous with the amount of eggs you're eating.
Height is one of the many reasons why trans women competing against women isn't fair.
You're always going to ban someone in drug testing that did nothing wrong. I explained how doing the opposite and not drug testing creates far more harm because if you aren't testing, then everyone is doping and that's more harmful.
Uhh... how is a girl playing on a boys team not fair? Women can play in say the MLB/NFL/NBA if they are good enough and they want to, it's not to keep the game fair. Whereas if say a Lebron or a Shaq transitioned and played in the WNBA, that wouldn't be fair at all.
Napkin math is not what we go by. I listed a few things that men have like being taller, bigger lungs/hearts, that can't be reversed that affect physical performance. I'm sure a biologist can go into much much better detail than me.
You gonna answer my question yet?
Has any state banned trans athletes from competing? Yes or No.
With the extra state laws saying your ID needs to match your birth certificate, keep up.
When that doctor also has a copy of your birth certificate *and* you have an injury that'ssignificantlyimpacted by your sex/gender? Super rare, bordering on never
Which is much different than "we don't know if eggs are healthy, yeah
It's also only relevant on a case by case basis, maybe. So not a blanket ban sort of thing
That's not true though. There are zero men being banned for naturally high testosterone despite testing for drugs
Maybe, maybe not. WNBA has technically allowed trans women for decades now and the fact that there are zero of them in the league should be a clue
Most biologists, specifically endocrinologists, know those things can totally be affected by hormones and steriods
Same way as they banned gay people getting married.
Someday you'll figure out I'm bringing that up because you're making a terrible semantic argument.
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Eh, actually I think they shouldn't have female space marines. That'd be like adding primaris marines, or marines in power armour wearing bigger suits of power armour or commonly available grav weapons.
The original intent was to have female space marines, and they did indeed make about a quarter of space marine models female initially.
The problem was that 40K customers - bless their little 80s sexist teen hearts - tended not to buy them, so stores (GW mostly sold figures through independent gaming shops in those days) would ask not to be sent any. This made them uneconomical to produce, so they stopped making them. Therefore, as the lore developed it was written up to match the commercial and practical reality that all the space marines made and used were male.
And now some fans use that lore to demand that there can't be female space marines, the lore is immutable, don't you dare change it, etc. Hmm. Literally all they need to do is slip in some justification for why there are now female space marines. I can do one plausibly right now: the Tau develop a bioweapon against space marines, and so the space marines start cloning female ones because the bioweapon doesn't affect women. Hey presto, done. Just space marines, same stats and equipment, but female.
The real reason the players object is that 30 years on, a bunch of male adolescents still don't want teh wimminz polluting their adolescent male fantasy.
Oh sure, but it's been in lore for ages now, since 2nd ed at the latest, it would now represent a major change, and GW should stop doing those because they really aren't good at it.
Though, it seems odd that there'd be so much resistance to female marines in the 80s (and also now), as they kinda filled than niche with sisters in the 90s. Often at the bottom of the list for new codices, but always around and back with a vengeance now.
It's sort of big, and it's also sort of not: one convenient, plausible plot device and it's done. I mean, they whistle up Primaris Space Marines and whole new races: are we really saying that "BTW, the Imperium had to make female space marines [because reasons] and they function just like male ones" is that big in comparison?
It's not odd at all. Back in the 80s, the idea that women can't fight and are inherently inferior was much more the mindset of the times. Plus that socially awkward, geeky teen boys find women to be weird, mysterious creatures: often desired, feared and looked down on all at once so a completely male military fantasy was much more safe and comforting to them. That issue with teenage boys hasn't really changed.
However, GW was always live to the possibility that there was a niche for female wargamers which - if exploited successfully - could increase their player base. And, I suspect, they just thought from a creative standpoint that a completely woman-free zone was kind of constraining and dull. So they always left some doors open: the Sisters represent this but they are, let's face it, tokenistic or a halfway house to the real deal of just okaying female space marines.
The best part is... you don't have to make any new models. It literally costs them nothing