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Except it wasn't done as a joke it was done to make sure no-one missed the fact she was a lesbian to say "Look we have a lesbian character here" to try and look good to a certain audience who will blindly flock to support a character and attack any-one who dares say the character isn't very well written or complex.
It wasn't, you're just oversensitive.

That often in media gay characters are reduced to having being gay be a main core character trait with little other personality.
And to back that up, you pointed to characters you think bring it up too much.

Except they don't bring it up as much as straight characters do. And you've got no problem there.
 

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It wasn't, you're just oversensitive.
No it's rather a trend in certain media franchises. E.G. Vagrant Queen was trying to be pretty clear about it's lead being LGBTQ, same with Batwoman.


And to back that up, you pointed to characters you think bring it up too much.

Except they don't bring it up as much as straight characters do. And you've got no problem there.
Except you're defining it as

"Anything a straight character does or says is them bringing it up in show but it only counts if an LGBTQ character specifically states it themselves nothing else they have to themselves bring it up"

You're arguing basically anything a straight character does that could be defined as hetereosexual is them flaunting it while it only counts for LGBTQ people if they expressly state it out loud regularly. That's actually a double standard there and you are treating people different and measuring them differently based on them being LGBTQ lol
 

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For all the Doctor Who stuff I'll note that I've rarely ever seen complaints about Captain Jack.
Dude was so aggressively bi the internet named a monster-fucking test after him.

Yeah, kinda weird he doesn't show up if these "it's in our face" discussions
 

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IS this the one where they then had to stop doing blind auditions cause they were hiring more white people?

That article is like 4 sentences wrong *and* you either got it disastrously wrong or have decided to lie about it, hoping nobody would click.

Shortest TLDR in the history of TLDRs: music critic has stupid opinions, orchestra musicians tell him it's stupid, no policy is changed because the NY Times is not an orchestra.

Fuck's sake
 

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Dude was so aggressively bi the internet named a monster-fucking test after him.

Yeah, kinda weird he doesn't show up if these "it's in our face" discussions
Because at no point did Captain Jack have to go "Yeh I'll shag whatever you know" while turning almost to the camera.

Dude just was and being Omnisexual (he's not Bi he'll happily sleep with basically anything and claiming he's bi is hugely limiting what he'll sleep with based purely on human concepts of sex rather than alien concepts so don't be Xenophobic, yes that is probably a pretty accurate use of that term too if rather tongue in the cheek) wasn't Jack's whole character.


That article is like 4 sentences wrong *and* you either got it disastrously wrong or have decided to lie about it, hoping nobody would click.

Shortest TLDR in the history of TLDRs: music critic has stupid opinions, orchestra musicians tell him it's stupid, no policy is changed because the NY Times is not an orchestra.

Fuck's sake
Oh right so it's just people lobbying against blind stuff because it's not getting them the results they want or not as fast as they want.
 

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Oh right so it's just people lobbying against blind stuff because it's not getting them the results they want or not as fast as they want.
Not "people", a single music *critic*, from a newspaper, with basically every musician saying he's full of shit.

YOU CAN FUCKING CHECK! HAS ANY ORCHESTRA ACTUALLY CHANGED? Or is it just some liberal talking out his ass?
Do blind auditions work or not?
 
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Dwarvenhobble

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Not "people", a single music *critic*, from a newspaper, with basically every musician saying he's full of shit.

YOU CAN FUCKING CHECK! HAS ANY ORCHESTRA ACTUALLY CHANGED? Or is it just some liberal talking out his ass?
Do blind auditions work or not?
yet still a pretty damn prominent publication as it's the New York Times FFS not Bills Bargain records Blog
 
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yet still a pretty damn prominent publication as it's the New York Times FFS not Bills Bargain records Blog
I dunno if you know this, but opinion writers are frequently dumb and do not typically cause entire industries to change their practices.

So do blind auditions work or not?
 

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Not according to the NYT person.
I'm asking you, not a random music critic that orchestras are telling to piss off. Because evidence says yes, and quite frankly I'm wording why you keep bring this up, as it was just an aside to all of the "resumes with non-white names do worse for no reason" example
 

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I'm asking you, not a random music critic that orchestras are telling to piss off. Because evidence says yes, and quite frankly I'm wording why you keep bring this up, as it was just an aside to all of the "resumes with non-white names do worse for no reason" example
Because trolls, dude.
 

Dwarvenhobble

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I'm asking you, not a random music critic that orchestras are telling to piss off. Because evidence says yes, and quite frankly I'm wording why you keep bring this up, as it was just an aside to all of the "resumes with non-white names do worse for no reason" example
In my opinion they should be.

But I'm not an expert writing for the NYT so what do I know?
 

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Except you're defining it as

"Anything a straight character does or says is them bringing it up in show but it only counts if an LGBTQ character specifically states it themselves nothing else they have to themselves bring it up"

You're arguing basically anything a straight character does that could be defined as hetereosexual is them flaunting it while it only counts for LGBTQ people if they expressly state it out loud regularly. That's actually a double standard there and you are treating people different and measuring them differently based on them being LGBTQ lol
Dude, the point has gone entirely over your head.

I don't think it's making a thing of heterosexuality if straight characters merely show romantic/sexual interest towards someone of the opposite sex.

You do consider it making a thing of homosexuality if gay characters merely show romantic or sexual interest towards someone of the same sex. I'm just trying to get you to apply the same standard, by pointing out how incredibly common it is for straight characters.
 

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Dude, the point has gone entirely over your head.

I don't think it's making a thing of heterosexuality if straight characters merely show romantic/sexual interest towards someone of the opposite sex.

You do consider it making a thing of homosexuality if gay characters merely show romantic or sexual interest towards someone of the same sex. I'm just trying to get you to apply the same standard, by pointing out how incredibly common it is for straight characters.
Except I don't.
Which you'd know and understand if you'd bothered to comprehend what I've been saying rather than just rant and then demand I argue from the position of whatever Strawman you've decided to claim is my position
 

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Except I don't.
Which you'd know and understand if you'd bothered to comprehend what I've been saying rather than just rant and then demand I argue from the position of whatever Strawman you've decided to claim is my position
But you literally do. You've been counting instances of Bill Potts being interested in women as examples to push your case. It's already been established that she actually mentions sexuality in a small minority of episodes.
 

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But you literally do. You've been counting instances of Bill Potts being interested in women as examples to push your case. It's already been established that she actually mentions sexuality in a small minority of episodes.
No I pointed out how literally one of her main personality traits and the most prominent one regularly brought up by her verbally saying it is that she's a lesbian.

Also 7 episodes out of 12 she's in isn't a minority, that by most definitions would be a majority of episodes she's in.

That's pushed to 8 as you accepted the whole "Oh isn't the Catholic Church kind of terrible to the LGBTQ bit as counting it too".
 

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Welcome to woke world where apparently in the woke circles there's now fighting going on between those who understand why Ukrainians are fighting back and those who think Ukraine should just give Russia most of what it wants and the US should help Russia get it.

And Vaush is somehow the voice of reasons here. A Broken clock is right twice a day I guess.


Note the tweet he's referencing was liked by multi-millionaire nephew of the head of TYT Hasan Piker
 

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Welcome to woke world where apparently in the woke circles there's now fighting going on between those who understand why Ukrainians are fighting back and those who think Ukraine should just give Russia most of what it wants and the US should help Russia get it.

And Vaush is somehow the voice of reasons here. A Broken clock is right twice a day I guess.


Note the tweet he's referencing was liked by multi-millionaire nephew of the head of TYT Hasan Piker
Note: This is what you call a strawman. This is just you attacking people. This is what people are copying.

This is you failing your own standard
 

Dwarvenhobble

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Note: This is what you call a strawman. This is just you attacking people. This is what people are copying.

This is you failing your own standard
You know it's funny you keep claiming things are strawmen but you don't seem to know be able to you know actually show it's a strawman just be throwing out the term.

So to be "Nice" I'll point out why you're wrong here:

1) Those tweets exist and those are peoples actual positions
2) It's Vaush not me showcasing them thus it would be his strawman.
3) I doubt Vaush is copying me
4) In this thread the strawmen started getting thrown far before I pushed back against them.


So if you maintain what's going on is still strawmen start dismantling them, they should be easy to do right. They burn very well when exposed to evidence. Unless you're trying to employ a Darvo or Tu Quo Qu play here.