You just have to treat the forums like you do a city. There are some neighborhoods that you just shouldn't go into if you want to avoid trouble. I find the forums immensely more enjoyable if I stay out of Current Events.
Right, so we're moral and we're gonna civilize the savages who don't pay their workers enough. Good that we're on the same page.Offering an equitable wage is not "imposing our political conditions on foreign countries". If overseas businesses want to pay their workers poverty-wages, and feel they're getting undercut by alternatives offering better pay, that's not an element of "autonomy" I feel is worthy of respect.
We don't even have enough electricity to not force huge cities to undergo blackouts when there's a heatwave. Our infrastructure is balking literally as we speak. First we fix these issues and expand capacity, then we spread it around.
Goals as in, ideals to pursue and value.
It's not though. I was born in Greece lol, yet here I am.
No, offering a fair wage is not forcing anyone to do anything or "civilising" anyone else. It's just acting civilised yourself. What a completely ridiculous response.
So your solution to the "brain drain" effect is to... make it harder for people to leave so they have no choice but to stay?
These are issues that have been within our means to resolve for decades. Our political class has made an ongoing decision not to, because doing so endangers the profit margins of certain companies.
Any ideals that are pursued by excluding others based on where they were born are categorically not my ideals.
Sure. But you appear to be arguing that others who may wish to pursue the same journey in life should have a harder time than those who happened to have been born in the United States.
If doing so involves "the exclusion of others' offspring", regardless of the fact that it's within our means for both to have an equitable life, then yes, I'm against that. I am against the arbitrary decision to extend a better quality of life to some, and refuse it to others, based on where they were born. We have the resources, ability, and space to improve quality of life for others regardless. The myth of scarcity has been propagated by a class of wealthy assholes who wish to keep it unreasonably concentrated amongst themselves, their friends, and their donors.
Damn, you reminded me of the newest point I should have made in my prototypical boilerplate post but didn't.
Tried that for a bit, but I don't consume enough media to participate much there, and it's kinda hard for me to not discuss my perceived political meanings of works I am familiar with.
Sometimes the city just sucks and it's best to just move out, it's literally what I did IRL.
People who deal with them and allow them to build factories in their land.
Obviously, but only within the confines of your own country. When you start explicitly targeting people in other countries whom you deem to be being subjugated somehow then that is economic imperialism. You know how in CIV you can win not with just military might but with cultural advances and so on too. It's actually what China is doing really effectively in Africa right now. If you control people's means of subsistence then they might as well be your subjects.
Yes? If you know you can't jump boats you will be more proactive in fixing the leaks in your own boat, and if you feel you can always abandon it at any time you will be even less caring towards it than you would normally. It's very simple motives and incentives.
Right...still doesn't produce enough electricity for more people either way though. We first have to get our political class in order and then can we deal with other stuff.
It doesn't count as excluding someone when you had no reason to include them in the first place. Like imagine you're at a BBQ and a random person is just driving by, are you excluding them by not tossing em a burger? No, because they had no expectation of participating in your BBQ in the first place.
Love the idea that our entire economic system is under the control of immoral profit making robots.
It's always been that way throughout human history no matter the system in place. Who has the money and power makes the rules and everybody seeks money and power so that they can make the rules and remove or ignore any already in place. Ultimately greed is less about the acquisition of power and wealth and more about being able to do whatever you want without consequences. In fact the systems are there in the first place in order to facilitate this tendency far more than to curb it. Attempts to prevent this just leads to new systems that are quickly subverted by those with money and power leading to the same thing in the end.
There is a reason why we dont bother with offering this solution anymore. And not just because we have said the exact same thing for 20 years
No you misunderstand. I was just glad to see someone doing something other than complaining about a side.
Always been a socialist, from a very young age. I'm just not an SJW and am centrist on cultural issues. Economically, on anything to do with class, and internationally with regards to war and imperialist culture, I've always been about as far left as you can get before you start just seizing property from rich people.
Most every problem on the planet already has fairly easy, obvious, and perfectly functional solutions that were probably thought up decades ago that could easily be solved if anyone in a position of power actually gave enough of a damn to take 5 minutes to use that power to implement those solutions. Sadly, people in a position of power tend to almost always be either really stupid, really corrupt, or both and don't care enough to fix the problems.
Not immoral, amoral. They're not evil, they will as soon save a drowning puppy as they would drown it themselves if it made em more money. So the trick is just aligning their incentive structure with humanist pursuits. It's like when you see Nike supporting causes like ending police brutality and what have you, they don't actually care about helping, but they calculated that it would be lucrative for them to do so, and so they helped, and it is real help at the end of the day. It's not perfect but it's good enough for now.
Not placing restrictions is not "targeting".
It's also grotesquely callous, and specifically affects the poor disproportionately.
It's not a either-or. You're still ignoring the clear and easy ability to help all.
And here we have the source of entrenched inequality lingering from the era of nobles and serfs.
The way you fix the eternal inequality is through plentiful-enough prosperity. The modern-day surfs are a lot better off than their peers of centuries past. If you wanna reduce this disparity even further you wanna promote advances-causing-meritocracy and value results over hollow morals.
Meritocracy is pretty much antithetical to giving people opportunities based on where they had the luck to be born, or who they had as parents.
