Oh sweet baby Jesus no, burn AI to the ground, humanity can't be trusted with it

[Ag3ma]

Bro, why don't you do more in-class assignments and interviews?

Mostly resources. It's time-consuming and expensive, and there's no spare staff workload capacity and money. Also, as part of QA processes, some of this requires major amendment to coursework documentation that has to go through scrutiny and approval which takes a minimum of 18 months (plus in some cases asking permission from the student body, because it's a change of the contract signed when they enrolled).

It seems to me teachers/professors don't teach as much as... regurgitate information.

Let me answer that one via cartoon:

 

[Gergar12]

Some more news: https://blog.gitnux.com/ai-replacing-jobs-statistics/

It’s not Google and OpenAI’s fault by themselves that governments refuse to regulate finance firms like State Street, Blackrock, and Vanguard who keep asking for layoffs.

 

[BrawlMan]

Follow up story:

The ChatGPT Lawyer Explains Himself (Published 2023)

In a cringe-inducing court hearing, a lawyer who relied on A.I. to craft a motion full of made-up case law said he “did not comprehend” that the chat bot could lead him astray.

www.nytimes.com

“I heard about this new site, which I falsely assumed was, like, a super search engine,” Mr. Schwartz said.

Oh boy...

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[Gordon_4]

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And here's our homeboy Devin breaking it down, and by my reading at times trying not to breakdown himself.

 

[Xprimentyl]

And here's our homeboy Devin breaking it down, and by my reading at times trying not to breakdown himself.

You bastard! I just logged in to post the same video!

EDIT: my point was going to be that it's funny how everyone is foretelling that AI might outmode human jobs by virtue of its own intelligence, but we already have people in the significant seats of authority actively GIVING AI their jobs. AI's not going to do it; we're going to do it for them/it/her/him, or whatever pronouns AI subscribes to; don't want to offend our future overlords.

 

[CaitSeith]

And here's our homeboy Devin breaking it down, and by my reading at times trying not to breakdown himself.

Something interesting Devin mentioned is the AI's "hallucinations", which pretty much is technical term for AI generating false information (or more specifically, information that doesn't match with the data used to train the AI). How ironic for predictive models to give such... unpredictable results.

 

[Ag3ma]

Something interesting Devin mentioned is the AI's "hallucinations", which pretty much is technical term for AI generating false information (or more specifically, information that doesn't match with the data used to train the AI). How ironic for predictive models to give such... unpredictable results.

"Hallucinations" is a weird and misleading term. I suspect it's even been picked for that purpose. It's a natural outcome of the way they were designed, not some weird blip.

They don't recognise facts. They work by assessing huge amounts of text to predict words that go in sentences. Garbage (or insuffient data) in, garbage out.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

They don't recognise facts. They work by assessing huge amounts of text to predict words that go in sentences. Garbage (or insuffient data) in, garbage out.

Oh no, my advanced version of predictive text is just predicting things!!!

 

[CaitSeith]

"Hallucinations" is a weird and misleading term. I suspect it's even been picked for that purpose. It's a natural outcome of the way they were designed, not some weird blip.

They don't recognise facts. They work by assessing huge amounts of text to predict words that go in sentences. Garbage (or insuffient data) in, garbage out.

That would mean such issues could be avoided with proper design or proper data; but as far as I know, every AI is presenting these issues, no matter how well trained or designed they are (there have been attempts to reduce them, but they haven't been eliminated 100%)

 

[Thaluikhain]

That would mean such issues could be avoided with proper design or proper data; but as far as I know, every AI is presenting these issues, no matter how well trained or designed they are (there have been attempts to reduce them, but they haven't been eliminated 100%)

I don't see how it could be avoided, surely that's inherent in the concept? Or at least the concept they are using at the moment.

(One thing that would be an improvement is being able to "remember" more of the conversation)

 

[gorfias]

Kinda makes me want to smash my smart phone, drown Alexa and... what the heck does one do with Cortana?


Off topic, some but kinda related: now they're making artificial human embryos without using sperm or eggs. Slap some AI in them and we've been R&R! https://www.theguardian.com/science...man-embryos-created-in-groundbreaking-advance

 

[Gordon_4]

what the heck does one do with Cortana?

Man I have seen some shit that tells me very much what people want to do with Cortana.

 

[CaitSeith]

Off topic, some but kinda related: now they're making artificial human embryos without using sperm or eggs. Slap some AI in them and we've been R&R! https://www.theguardian.com/science...man-embryos-created-in-groundbreaking-advance

I don't think those embryos would need AI to develop intelligence; that's why is illegal to cultivate them for more than 14 days.

 

[gorfias]

I don't think those embryos would need AI to develop intelligence; that's why is illegal to cultivate them for more than 14 days.

I'm actually for ending that ban, particularly for non-humans. They took mice embryos to 10 days and then ended it before the 14 as they didn't feel the need to go on: they got the info they wanted.
If wombless gestation becomes a thing, men who would like to have their own children and a family but don't want or cannot obtain a wife could still have their family. Women need not experience an interruption in their career, or maybe have children later in life which can have issues they wouldn't experience younger. (Me n' mine needed shots in our mid 30s as our system needed a kick in the pants we wouldn't have needed in our 20s. Not unusual. I'm sure the fertility industry loves this: I didn't).
At this time, I think they can fertilize a man's skin cell to get the process started. They'd need to lift cloning bans too.

I did hear something new about AI: people in dating apps, before meeting each other, are getting info to share with a potential date from AI. So, young men and women pursuiting relationships won't really even be talking/texting each other for real.

 

[CaitSeith]

I did hear something new about AI: people in dating apps, before meeting each other, are getting info to share with a potential date from AI. So, young men and women pursuiting relationships won't really even be talking/texting each other for real.

Cyberpunk Cyrano... or that scene from Short Circuit 2.

 

[Gordon_4]

Cyberpunk Cyrano... or that scene from Short Circuit 2.

I remember most of Short Circuit 2 very fondly. Although that scene - and Ben Javari in general in retrospect - have not aged well.

 

[Ag3ma]

I'm actually for ending that ban, particularly for non-humans. They took mice embryos to 10 days and then ended it before the 14 as they didn't feel the need to go on: they got the info they wanted.
If wombless gestation becomes a thing, men who would like to have their own children and a family but don't want or cannot obtain a wife could still have their family. Women need not experience an interruption in their career, or maybe have children later in life which can have issues they wouldn't experience younger. (Me n' mine needed shots in our mid 30s as our system needed a kick in the pants we wouldn't have needed in our 20s. Not unusual. I'm sure the fertility industry loves this: I didn't).
At this time, I think they can fertilize a man's skin cell to get the process started. They'd need to lift cloning bans too.

I did hear something new about AI: people in dating apps, before meeting each other, are getting info to share with a potential date from AI. So, young men and women pursuiting relationships won't really even be talking/texting each other for real.

The inevitability of this is towards customised genes for kids, although I believe that's already happening in some parts of the world for those rich and powerful enough (albeit kept very quiet) with current technology.

I am not sure how that will turn out.

At one level, why not eradicate things like cystic fibrosis, even less critical things like gout (which despite its reputation is primarily a genetic disease). On the other hand, I don't know that allowing people to custom design their children down to the genetic level is good for society, or even individual famiy dynamics.

 

[gorfias]

The inevitability of this is towards customised genes for kids, although I believe that's already happening in some parts of the world for those rich and powerful enough (albeit kept very quiet) with current technology.

I am not sure how that will turn out.

At one level, why not eradicate things like cystic fibrosis, even less critical things like gout (which despite its reputation is primarily a genetic disease). On the other hand, I don't know that allowing people to custom design their children down to the genetic level is good for society, or even individual famiy dynamics.

I've read that the Chinese are trying to do this, they state to make humans that are more resistant to disease. How about they eliminate old age? I have a boss that tells me that old age is caused by the ends of your DNA strands eroding. Suppose they can stop that?

One concern I heard about is the fear that designer kids will create a stigma against not so designed or not as well designed kids. Another is the Brave New World thing. Don't we need people with varying skill sets? Who will do the most unpleasant work? I'd think in a perfect free market with perfect information, you could end up with a genius quite willing to pick up the trash, as long as you pay a market rate of 7 figures a year.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, those problems can be put on the back burner for now, won't be an issue for a while.

Though, if we survive long enough without getting rid of capitalism, we can look forwards to kids of rich people being superhuman and dominating lower classes/forms of life.

How about they eliminate old age? I have a boss that tells me that old age is caused by the ends of your DNA strands eroding. Suppose they can stop that?

I don't know if there is truth to that (that sounds at best a massive oversimplification), but old age is a factor of any number of things. Fixing one is nice, but doesn't stop the others getting you. People just haven't evolved to get beyond a certain age, only so long you can improve the lifespan of various parts you need to not die.

 

[Ag3ma]

I've read that the Chinese are trying to do this, they state to make humans that are more resistant to disease. How about they eliminate old age? I have a boss that tells me that old age is caused by the ends of your DNA strands eroding. Suppose they can stop that?

This is a little out of date. About 10 years ago there was something of regulatory void around the world on much of this and someone in China did an embryo modification experiment that sent alarm bells ringing worldwide, which rapidly caused the USA and other countries to introduce legislation. China initially did not, and this caused a lot of concern China would permit gene modifications that the West would not. However, China did bring in its own strict limitations which are roughly equivalent, just it did several years later than the West.

I believe it's actually the Middle East where the concern is highest, as there is a lot of money, relatively unscrupulous doctors and weak state oversight.

There are lots of interesting stories about improving ageing. However, this is all about cell replication. I would point out that this might reduce ageing in the periphery, but it's a bit different in the central nervous system, because there's precious little creation of new neurones after birth. So the body might be in great nick for a 100 year old, but the mind will be going through steady age-related cognitive decline and potential dementia without another big leap in medical technology. One way or another, we'll be dead before any of this technology will be of any use to us, much as all those tech arseholes can cry hot, salty tears that they can't have their immortality.

One concern I heard about is the fear that designer kids will create a stigma against not so designed or not as well designed kids. Another is the Brave New World thing. Don't we need people with varying skill sets? Who will do the most unpleasant work? I'd think in a perfect free market with perfect information, you could end up with a genius quite willing to pick up the trash, as long as you pay a market rate of 7 figures a year.

There is definitely a problem that the tech will be first accessible to the wealthy, who may be able to use it to provide their children (more) advantages over the masses. On the other hand, a lot of development is nurture, not genes. It may not necessarily turn out quite the way they expected.