Of course my home state has his bull crap law too. It's nice to see people fighting back against this though.
Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates
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Wow, and people think Genocidal Organ is just a kooky technothriller. This is the kind of thing that marks the horrors of the modern day surveillance state in America where a genocide is wholly endorsed by the American Government
Do you believe that every country on earth keeps an internally displaced population in one or more concentration camps which they periodically invade and/or bomb? Do you believe that all such countries have a right to "defend themselves" from the populations they keep in those ghettos?
Do you actually believe in justice? That people should have a fair an impartial hearing?
Because all I'm getting the sense of here is you've picked your enemy, they don't need a hearing or to be allowed an explanation, they can just be summarily judged and found wanting by your diktat. It's people with attitudes like that that end up presiding over a Terror or a Killing Fields, and consider it nothing but a job well done. And thus the shallowness of adherence to progressive ideals, because when "the mask comes off" as you put it, it's not really about justice, equity, duty of care, or respect, it's just vengefully punishing the unbeliever for their sins.
Your defense for someone advocating genocide is that they're too stupid to realize they're advocating for genocide. He's had a month to recant that statement and hasn't, even when confronted directly on it. Considering you've pilloried Corbyn for making an actual truthful and just statement but will go to bat for a genocide enthusiast says all it needs about you and your faux concerns. Pro-tip, the killing fields is going on right now and your man Starmer loves it, go take your outrage somewhere else.
He issued a clarification that he did not mean Israel had the right to cut off water and power a few days later.
Funny you talk about mealy-mouthed, that's some tawdry bullshit.
Kier Starmer said:
He issued a clarification that he did not mean Israel had the right to cut off water and power a few days later.
Funny you talk about mealy-mouthed, that's some tawdry bullshit.
Keir Starmer cautions Israel but refuses to back calls for ceasefire
Labour leader criticises Israeli bombardment but says ceasefire is not ‘the correct position now’
www.theguardian.com
It all falls a bit flat. I guess he wants to give the land back to the corpses.
As to him recanting, the closest I could find is the Labour party (not him directly) issuing a statement saying "no actually, he didn't say that, don't believe your lying ears". No it's really not impressive. He's just a genocide fan that you like.
Israel has just given BP licences to drill for gas off the coast of Gaza. So, people blockaded its head office.
Dozens of activists from Fossil Free London assembled outside BP’s London headquarters to protest over its deal with Israel for Gaza's gas
www.thecanary.co
I believe that every country on earth has at some point both been displaced and done the displacing, that borders are enforced, that police and militaries exist to limit the actions of both citizens and foreign nationals. I think the unique part about Palestine is that it was allowed to exist after being thoroughly conquered, where every other region in the world to ever be conquered (as well as the region we're discussing many times in history) gets annexed.
And I don't think you care about any place that gets conquered by America's enemies. I guarantee, if the US declared war on Israel, you'd defend any action they take.
A few years ago, people in Florida tried to ban Lorde from performing there, because she pulled out of a concert in Israel.
(Israelis also sued New Zealand teenagers for $18,000 for emotional damages after they wrote an open letter which prompted Lorde to pull out, though being in New Zealand, that didn't apply)
because you were dropped a few too many times as a child, no doubt
"Other countries acted similarly when they were established prior to Medieval times, so therefore its fine to act that way now".
What else is justified in the modern day by being common in the distant past? Absolute monarchy and the divine right of Kings?
I think Starmer, who I do not like, is less likely a Zionist and more likely terrified of not appearing sufficiently pro-Israel, given it was the stick used to beat Corbyn many times. Starmer does not strike me as a man who has opinions not birthed within focus groups.
To be fair, the Democrats supporting slavery about a century and a half ago is supposed to be relevant to modern politics, so...
Prior to Medieval times? Even most of Europe was still forming the nations that exist now within the last century or two. Israel is older that a fair number of countries globally, many of which include ongoing ethnic conflicts because the governments are not equally representative of all peoples ruled by them geographically. That's like every civil war on the planet right now.
You could also point out all the countries which are happy to support, or quietly ignore Israel's actions. Not showing themselves in a great light either.
But that's still the "But mommmm, everyone else was doing it" defense.
One could say that about the Labour Party generally. Or, for that matter, most major political parties as it's how politics is done these days.
If you're going by nations in their present incarnations, rather than the countries as distinct polities, then your point about all of them starting through brutal conquest becomes even less tenable.