The private and public sector suppression of sexual freedom and freedom of expression is more sinister than you think.

[Dirty Hipsters]

You...just don't remember the number of porn actresses who started between 15-18 with fake ID's, or who were coerced into porn acting by partners or pimps, who owned up to it later with little to zero legal action being taken on anyone? Of whom Traci lords was the most famous, and one of the few for whom legal action was taken (because authorities had been tipped off after her 18th birthday), but far from the only one.

And of course, going hand in hand with thst were the days when video rentals' porn sections weren't separate from the rest of the store, and when porn mags were sold right alongside every other periodical without so much as slip covers. Hell most stores took measures against that not for minors' sake, but for grown-ass adults who didn't want to be seen buying/renting porn, or to prevent shoplifting.

You're talking about changes that were made 25+ years ago if you're talking about porn magazines and video rental stores. Those basically haven't even existed within the last 5-10 years. So if your claim is that no one cared until 5-10 years ago then you clearly have no idea what decade it is. VIDEO RENTAL STORES DON'T EXIST. Traci Lords is 55 years old!

 

[Thaluikhain]

If prostitution were legal you could protect sex workers with legal, and financial protections.

Could, not would. Lots of places were prostitution is legal have systems that aren't interested in the welfare of sex workers, so it's not as big a help as it could be.

 

[Silvanus]

 

[Gergar12]

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[Gergar12]

I know many people doubt this claim, but what did they do in China when many young people were 'slacking off' and not wanting to do factory jobs? They first imposed bans on children's video games, then video games gave you a bad social score no matter who you were, and then they cracked down on pretty male performers.

Look at the US first it was attacks on violent video games, then it was attacks on video game-watching/streamers, then it was bans on abortion, and now it's bans on porn and more attacks on adult performer's financial means.

 

[Silvanus]

Look at the US first it was attacks on violent video games, then it was attacks on video game-watching/streamers [....]

Video game streaming hasn't been significantly attacked at all, though. Nudity of some kinds was briefly allowed on Twitch and then (after immediate abuse) disallowed again. That's all. Nothing to do with using the platform for its actual intended purpose; no restriction or attacks on actual game streaming.

then it was bans on abortion, and now it's bans on porn and more attacks on adult performer's financial means.

There's a valid argument to be made about how credit card companies approached pornsites and adult performers in general. But the problem here is you're just listing a hugely wide variety of issues that have little on common, and expecting people to see a trend or conspiratorial angle that there simply isn't much substance behind.

Take the Musk/Bezos angle. You seem to be tying their self-interested obsession with population growth to the efforts to curb porn and sexualisation. Right? Except.... Elon Musk introduced an effort to encourage and monetise adult content on Twitter only last month. And Bezos allows the sale of pornographic e-books through his platforms (including really extreme stuff that would be banned elsewhere).

 

[Satinavian]

I know many people doubt this claim, but what did they do in China when many young people were 'slacking off' and not wanting to do factory jobs? They first imposed bans on children's video games, then video games gave you a bad social score no matter who you were, and then they cracked down on pretty male performers.

Look at the US first it was attacks on violent video games, then it was attacks on video game-watching/streamers, then it was bans on abortion, and now it's bans on porn and more attacks on adult performer's financial means.

Now China is authoritan.
If some old and out-of-touch party high ups or Xi himself have some stupid idea, it gets done.

In the US, you would need way more to pressure private business to do anything that might hurt their bottom line. And sex still sells.


Not that the Chinese policies work at all.

 

[Gergar12]

Video game streaming hasn't been significantly attacked at all, though. Nudity of some kinds was briefly allowed on Twitch and then (after immediate abuse) disallowed again. That's all. Nothing to do with using the platform for its actual intended purpose; no restriction or attacks on actual game streaming.



There's a valid argument to be made about how credit card companies approached pornsites and adult performers in general. But the problem here is you're just listing a hugely wide variety of issues that have little on common, and expecting people to see a trend or conspiratorial angle that there simply isn't much substance behind.

Take the Musk/Bezos angle. You seem to be tying their self-interested obsession with population growth to the efforts to curb porn and sexualisation. Right? Except.... Elon Musk introduced an effort to encourage and monetise adult content on Twitter only last month. And Bezos allows the sale of pornographic e-books through his platforms (including really extreme stuff that would be banned elsewhere).

Not everyone reads books, and Musk is simply desperate for revenue. Also do you not know what the ad-apocalypse was on YouTube? Because of one Neo-nazi, journalists spammed news articles that cracked down harshly on Youtube, and Youtube started enforcing more restrictions on everything including soft-core porn.

They do have a lot in common. It's a pullback from the freedoms we take for granted so that we can have more children because the economic machine goes brrr. Which is one hundred percent a traditionalist move from the powerful.

 

[Gergar12]

Now China is authoritan.
If some old and out-of-touch party high ups or Xi himself have some stupid idea, it gets done.

In the US, you would need way more to pressure private business to do anything that might hurt their bottom line. And sex still sells.


Not that the Chinese policies work at all.

Porn, Tower of Fantasy, and Genshin got censored in China, plus the Steam game bans, yes you can VPN, but they cracked down on those too.

 

[Gergar12]

Could, not would. Lots of places were prostitution is legal have systems that aren't interested in the welfare of sex workers, so it's not as big a help as it could be.

Not in the US, we are super litigious.

 

[Baffle]

I reckon I could find loads of porn on the internet if I tried. There's an app for that.

 

[Gergar12]

I reckon I could find loads of porn on the internet if I tried. There's an app for that.

Not likely on Apple's secure garden: IOS and the App Store.

 

[Baffle]

Oh man does anyone else remember those porn dialers you got on 56k?

 

[Baffle]

Not likely on Apple's secure garden: IOS and the App Store.

You can look at porn on an iPhone but a little picture of Steve Jobs with a stern face covers the nipples. He's disappointed.

 

[Gergar12]

You can look at porn on an iPhone but a little picture of Steve Jobs with a stern face covers the nipples. He's disappointed.

It's funny you mention this, IOS and Android are notorious for spammy ads on porn sites.

 

[Baffle]

It's funny you mention this, IOS and Android are notorious for spammy ads on porn sites.

Visions of a Steve Jobs gif throbbing bigger and smaller in time to an autoplaying bass soundtrack, his face going through various neon colours like he's in a club, while some blurry shish kebab action goes on in the background. Buy the new iPhone (17?), it's got bezels on its bezels.

 

[Silvanus]

Not everyone reads books [...]

My dude, a lot more people read books than spend their time on pornographic mods for games, but you're trying to spin a crackdown on the latter into a society-changing conspiracy.

 

[Gergar12]

My dude, a lot more people read books than spend their time on pornographic mods for games, but you're trying to spin a crackdown on the latter into a society-changing conspiracy.

It’s more like group-think.

 

[Silvanus]

It’s more like group-think.

So you think the proprietors of Twitch and mod marketplaces are more concerned about global birthrates than they are about (for instance) the harm to their reputation from porn?

And they see their role as stewards of global societal change rather than (for instance) people who just decide policies on some relatively minor online platforms?

 

[Thaluikhain]

So you think the proprietors of Twitch and mod marketplaces are more concerned about global birthrates than they are about (for instance) the harm to their reputation from porn?

And they see their role as stewards of global societal change rather than (for instance) people who just decide policies on some relatively minor online platforms?

While I agree with the overall point, I daresay that some of them do see themselves like that.