The Defending Joe Biden Mega-Thread

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Naturally, there are limits on how much the USA can control its allies. But the idea that the USA could not drive Israel to a ceasefire or negotiating table is laughable. Biden chooses not to.

He chooses not to - like every American president - because it makes no sense in terms of domestic politics. There are far too many Americans heavily attached to Israel on both sides of the political divide, plus a lot of lobbying money (e.g. AIPAC) in support. Any talk Biden and team have about mitigating casualties, ceasefires and two-state solution is nothing more than trying to reduce the damage with Democrat voters who are sympathetic to the Palestinians.
Given that his current course of action is set to lose him the election anyway, we can safely conclude that the main motivation is some mix of genuine conviction and the lobbying money. I saw an infographic recently that indicated he's the highest recipient of AIPAC money in American politics; haven't bothered to confirm it but it wouldn't be surprising.
 
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He chooses not to - like every American president - because it makes no sense in terms of domestic politics. There are far too many Americans heavily attached to Israel on both sides of the political divide, plus a lot of lobbying money (e.g. AIPAC) in support. Any talk Biden and team have about mitigating casualties, ceasefires and two-state solution is nothing more than trying to reduce the damage with Democrat voters who are sympathetic to the Palestinians.
Not to mention all of the foreign aid money that the US gives to Israel with the proviso it must be spent on US munitions. If peace broke out in the Middle East, the US would have to find someone else to dump free bombs on (as opposed to dumping bombs on in the name of freedom, I guess) to subsidise their military-industrial complex.
 

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Not to mention all of the foreign aid money that the US gives to Israel with the proviso it must be spent on US munitions. If peace broke out in the Middle East, the US would have to find someone else to dump free bombs on (as opposed to dumping bombs on in the name of freedom, I guess) to subsidise their military-industrial complex.
Israel is a pretty trivial market for US arms. The USA sells $150-$200 billion in arms abroad every year, but Israel is under $500 million. Nice to have, but hardly a major source of revenue and jobs in the bigger picture. Intelligence sharing might be a big deal - I wouldn't be surprised if the US effectively subcontracts a lot of Middle Eastern spying to Mossad.
 

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Israel is a pretty trivial market for US arms. The USA sells $150-$200 billion in arms abroad every year, but Israel is under $500 million. Nice to have, but hardly a major source of revenue and jobs in the bigger picture. Intelligence sharing might be a big deal - I wouldn't be surprised if the US effectively subcontracts a lot of Middle Eastern spying to Mossad.
According to wiki:

"In 1999, the US government signed a Memorandum of Understanding through which it committed to providing Israel with at least US$2.67 billion in military aid annually, for the following ten years; in 2009, the annual amount was raised to US$3 billion; and in 2019, the amount was raised again, now standing at a minimum of US$3.8 billion that the US is committed to providing Israel each year. "

But, ok, small in the grand scheme of things, yeah.
 

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According to wiki:

"In 1999, the US government signed a Memorandum of Understanding through which it committed to providing Israel with at least US$2.67 billion in military aid annually, for the following ten years; in 2009, the annual amount was raised to US$3 billion; and in 2019, the amount was raised again, now standing at a minimum of US$3.8 billion that the US is committed to providing Israel each year. "

But, ok, small in the grand scheme of things, yeah.
Okay, that's interesting.

There could be two things happening. Firstly, Israel is free to spend that on things other than US arms, hence the much lower export value. The other possibility is that the USA holds an account, buys the arms on Israel's behalf off the aid budget and sends them across, which might not be caught on the export statistics.
 

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I write to emphatically declare my full-throated support for President Biden and Vice President Harris’ historic 2024 re-election campaign. As a proud Marxist-Bidenist, I wish to volunteer assisting grassroots organizing, policy research and digital outreach. While financially constrained, I can channel considerable energy towards realizing this vision as an Ohio State University graduate.

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I firmly believe no candidates better grasp this potential than President Biden and Vice President Harris. Their unique strength lies in understanding governance levers while retaining an ambitious vision. This is why I want to volunteer full-time supporting organizing, messaging and outreach for the campaign.

My background as a political theory obsessive, writer and tech enthusiast offers useful expertise. My academic training and writing skills can craft omni-channel messaging tailored for disparate groups. My social media savvy and creativity can amplify content and spur viral surges. Most crucially, my intimate grasp of Marxist-Bidenist ideology can build broad coalitions across divides under an actionable consensus.

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In both form and function, the Biden-Harris administration exemplifies this worldview. Efforts to stimulate jobs growth and pardon minor drug offenders showcase balancing compassion and public safety. Choices to forgive some student loans while tightening eligibility requirements demonstrate walking the line between affordability and fiscal prudence.

Even the delicate stance with China – contesting human rights abuses but avoiding outright hostility – reflects opportunistic engagement. NATO’s expanded footprint near Russia seeks caution against outright provocation. The Middle East policy treads wisely to secure key interests like Iranian non-proliferation and Saudi oil access while withdrawing from unwise interventions like Afghanistan.

This nuance is why Marxist-Bidenists reject critiques of excessive spending or passivity abroad as overly simplistic. Transforming fossil fuel jobs into green careers or rebuilding fraying supply chains requires mammoth investments funded by higher taxes on corporations and the ultra-wealthy. Promoting America’s exemplar model abroad necessitates harnessing soft power tools before hard unitary action.

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However, the administration’s direction of travel towards a Star Trek-esque future is crystal clear. Their vision champions scientific breakthroughs for societal betterment, not merely profit maximization. It harnesses automation to unlock human potential, not simply swell corporate bottom-lines. It regulates markets to serve citizens, not sacrifice their wellbeing to appease arbitrary GDP growth targets.

This is why electing congressional allies willing to legislate this transformation is imperative. Purple District Marxian-Bidenists like myself are pivotal to this mission. Our networks can create viral moments to showcase the false binary between equity and growth. Our ground activations can mobilize apathetic non-voters towards progress. Our voices can spotlight interconnections between abortion rights, racial justice, climate action and healthcare access in terms constituents relate with. We can construct a society lifted for all.

So I repeat my earnest offer – please advise avenues for diehard believers like myself to formally assist the Biden-Harris campaign. I will dedicate all personal bandwidth towards organizing voters, training volunteers, penning op-eds, compiling policy briefings and fundraising outreach. This is our generation’s rendezvous with destiny – we cannot afford to lose it due to complacency or infighting.

The obstacles ahead are monumental – countering disinformation about CRT bans, immigration fear-mongering, attacks on trans rights, objections to student debt relief etc. Powerful forces threaten the unity and stability of our republic by preying upon societal divisions. But armed with the clarity of vision Marxist-Bidenist thinking offers, we shall overcome. Stand with us as we stand for you.

In solidarity,
Gergar12 (Not my real name)

Here's the email I sent to one of Biden's campaign's staffers. For reference, these are my policy views.
 

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Look the media is owned by the corps, and they don't want a powerful Biden given the fact that Trump despite my rash analysis does not seem to want to put Americans in camps, end our democracy, and so given the fact that growing numbers of Hispanics, and African Americans are joining him
Didn't he try to do just that when he lost?
 

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Naturally, there are limits on how much the USA can control its allies. But the idea that the USA could not drive Israel to a ceasefire or negotiating table is laughable. Biden chooses not to.

He chooses not to - like every American president - because it makes no sense in terms of domestic politics. There are far too many Americans heavily attached to Israel on both sides of the political divide, plus a lot of lobbying money (e.g. AIPAC) in support. Any talk Biden and team have about mitigating casualties, ceasefires and two-state solution is nothing more than trying to reduce the damage with Democrat voters who are sympathetic to the Palestinians.
"Controlling allies".

Maybe it should be "controlling 'allies'".
 

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To reply to people in this thread about Israel, a lot of the weapons given to Israel were already in Israel, and given how one-dimensional some Twitter users and regular people think, it is no surprise some world leaders think this simple as well. Biden doesn't want to be seen abandoning Israel. He could do it somewhat and be popular but it would wreck his diplomacy with allies in other areas and Israel in the short term would still get its weapons by getting them from the US stockpiles already in Israel.

He would be seen as abandoning his allies for a fraction of the Cillivan deaths in the Iraq, and Afgan wars. Iran won't like the US if they do this anymore than the Houthis who were angry about supplied bombs killing them in the 2010s will stop their attacks on shipping.
 

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Says the person who somehow simultaneously treats Trump as a savvy manipulator, a mafioso, and an incompetent baffoon.
I'm actually not sure if Trump really can be called much of a manipulator. A fraud to be sure but he doesn't seem savvy enough to be a manipulator. He's more like a pitiful wretch being insanely fortunate in his circumstance. Trump getting away with things never quite comes down to his own skill but more the titanic failings of his targets.

Take the Republican party for instance. Its not like Trump puts the wool over their eyes. Aside from the occasional basket case like Greene most seem to know what he is. Trump didn't avoid getting kicked out of office by convincing the Republicans his secret evil twin blackmailed Zelensky. His Republican peers knew exactly what he did, they just didn't want to punish him for it. They didn't say ''Trump convinced us he did nothing wrong'' but instead said ''Yeah he did it but we don't WANT to punish him''

Rather than having to manipulate the Republican Party Trump is just fortunate to have found a party where the majority is spineless, corrupt and desperate for power. Its not any different for his base. They might have a creepy cult like obsession with Trump but its not like Trump had to do anything for it. He was just fortunate to run at a time where a large part of the electorate were so frustrated they'd support and adore anyone who promised or imply he'd burn it all to the ground. Then increasingly bizare cognitive dissonance did the rest.

Any healthy political party and political base would have kicked Trump the curb ages ago. But both the Republican party and their base are in deep moral and political crisis.