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There's nothing to dispute, he didn't even bother to quote the banking representatives, we have no evidence from the author that anything he said is true. This is honestly pretty clumsy even for an opinion piece. When you make statements like this, especially those inflammatory, you want to present data and references for your logic.

This is the equivalent of posting an opinion piece like "koby bryant actually sucked at basketball" and not listing any statistics or examples. It's pointless to even debate this kinda nonsense. You'll never get any serious engagement with this stuff.
It's all he ever does. I pretty much stopped taking him seriously when covid happened.
 

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Morality has a lot to do with law; it is one of the primary considerations in a legal system. The only connection it requires is that both are involved in the issue of abortion.



OK, but you chose to make the argument that 'rights' just refers to thinks given by the constitution. That's obviously not the case.
But what laws would make abortion legal at X point but not at Y point?

Or by actual laws. That's what rights are.

There's nothing to dispute, he didn't even bother to quote the banking representatives, we have no evidence from the author that anything he said is true. This is honestly pretty clumsy even for an opinion piece. When you make statements like this, especially those inflammatory, you want to present data and references for your logic.

This is the equivalent of posting an opinion piece like "koby bryant actually sucked at basketball" and not listing any statistics or examples. It's pointless to even debate this kinda nonsense. You'll never get any serious engagement with this stuff.


It's all he ever does. I pretty much stopped taking him seriously when covid happened.
You don't seriously talk to anyone that doesn't agree with you. You won't talk to like any European country because they've pretty much done everything with regards to covid that I said. Funny how that happened...
 

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But what laws would make abortion legal at X point but not at Y point?

Or by actual laws. That's what rights are.





You don't seriously talk to anyone that doesn't agree with you. You won't talk to like any European country because they've pretty much done everything with regards to covid that I said. Funny how that happened...
Oh I don't need the article. You should send it to thereason or alternatively you form an opinion and articulate it using facts and references instead of just spamming links.
 

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Oh I don't need the article. You should send it to thereason or alternatively you form an opinion and articulate it using facts and references instead of just spamming links.
Those are the facts...

You guys actually can't debunk anything that the editorial said and then when presented with the facts, you ignore them. Why do you even wanna discuss anything if you don't ever change your stance on anything? Just to have people agree with you?
 

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A noticeable habit among conspiracy/conspirituality pushers too, though with stronger preferences for words like "truth", "reality", "light", "awake" etc etc. Observed recent years have them overlapping and combining with increasing regularity, feeding each others' desperate needs for new validating fictions. No sarcasm was added to post in that regard. Resembles a bit an overcompensating indicator, cause people who actually know what they're talking about when hoping to inform the public tend to not garishly front-load their rhetoric and even their whole brand with what they want you to think of them first.
"Let me tell you something doctors don't understand - trust me, I'm a doctor"

I am minded of the infuriating adverts on YouTube (all by this Baltic-based company) which have a load of stock images and a voiceover, and no matter what they're selling, it's always the same narrative. Plucky, amazing maverick inventor has created X, which uses [insert fake science here] to deliver amazing results. The big industry players don't want you to know this, they tried to bribe the inventor to bury it or buy it off him, but he was too ethical. Yours for just £59.99.

Obviously, the entire narrative is a lie. It's designed partly towards conspiracist mindset, playing on their suspicions of big business / government. The maverick underdog fighting the greedy or uncaring, sclerotic system. There's also the sort of ego massage of someone thinking they know something special and a bit secret, that puts them up on the rest of the lumpen sheeple out there. The fake science is a key element, because everyone likes to believe they are rational and as science is currently the most generally trusted source of societal knowledge. It exists in a million forms. It's common in social media, where outlets aggressively give extensive space to "experts" pushing questionable and unconventional science, their qualifications rammed to the fore in an attempt to overwhelm skepticism. And then all the audience head out there thinking they've been armed with special knowledge, that means they are special, and have somehow got one over society. But they're actually just taking dewormer that won't do a damn to help cure their respiratory disease.
 

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I am minded of the infuriating adverts on YouTube (all by this Baltic-based company) which have a load of stock images and a voiceover, and no matter what they're selling, it's always the same narrative. Plucky, amazing maverick inventor has created X, which uses [insert fake science here] to deliver amazing results. The big industry players don't want you to know this, they tried to bribe the inventor to bury it or buy it off him, but he was too ethical. Yours for just £59.99.
Don't forget how the plucky inventor got kicked out of Harvard for their fantastic new invention, because those dang elites just won't allow anything to shake up the status quo.
 
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Don't forget how the plucky inventor got kicked out of Harvard for their fantastic new invention, because those dang elites just won't allow anything to shake up the status quo.
Yes, that's definitely in a few of them. Despite being completely nonsensical because one of the major income streams for universities is getting the intellectual fruits of their staff and students to market. (And at least the inventors actually get a cut of the sales, which is better than a corporate wage slave gets.)
 
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You don't seriously talk to anyone that doesn't agree with you. You won't talk to like any European country because they've pretty much done everything with regards to covid that I said. Funny how that happened...
So in other words: all you. You really love deflecting, projecting, and moving the goal post like usual. Also, I don't know, nor care, where you're getting the European thing from. You're way off the mark there, and relying on something I'd never once stated nor implied, nor acted out. You have fun with the copium juice and sucking up and making excuses for your false savior like usual.
 
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But what laws would make abortion legal at X point but not at Y point?
That's exactly what Roe v. Wade did. We're literally talking about an example of that right now.

Or by actual laws. That's what rights are.
Uh-huh, and the law allowed access to abortion before Roe was overturned, and not afterwards.
 
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Weird how a self proclaimed billionaire who stated under oath that he has more than $450 million liquid assets on hand can't find the money to pay his legal judgement without needing loans.

It's ok though, I'm sure every bank in the country is lining up to get defrauded to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars because you know there's no way in hell he's ever paying that money back.
 
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So in other words: all you. You really love deflecting, projecting, and moving the goal post like usual. Also, I don't know, nor care, where you're getting the European thing from. You're way off the mark there, and relying on something I'd never once stated nor implied, nor acted out. You have fun with the copium juice and sucking up and making excuses for your false savior like usual.
I don't think you know what that term means.

That's exactly what Roe v. Wade did. We're literally talking about an example of that right now.



Uh-huh, and the law allowed access to abortion before Roe was overturned, and not afterwards.
Roe wasn't a new law (that allowed abortion), it was a decision of what a current law could do, it allowed abortion based on another law that doesn't pertain to abortions. Hence why it got overturned.

There was no law that allowed for abortion. You can argue that another, more apt constitutional amendment could pertain to abortion but that's not what was argued in Roe.
 

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Weird how a self proclaimed billionaire who stated under oath that he has more than $450 million liquid assets on hand can't find the money to pay his legal judgement without needing loans.
Just to clarify here, Trump actually claimed he had over $400 million, so he might genuinely be a few tens of millions short. We shouldn't leap to assumptions that Trump lied ;).
 
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Roe wasn't a new law (that allowed abortion), it was a decision of what a current law could do, it allowed abortion based on another law that doesn't pertain to abortions. Hence why it got overturned.
This is an irrelevant truism. It was a ruling. Rulings have legal weight.

There was no law that allowed for abortion.
For thirty years, that's exactly what the Constitutional right to privacy did.

In a pretty basic and fundamental sense, you don't seem to grasp what court rulings actually are. The ruling determines the official interpretation of the law. So until Roe was overturned, the law unequivocally, officially and legally, did cover abortion. That's not under debate.
 
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Hence why it got overturned.
Allegedly. Truth of the matter is that it got overturned because some Christian zealots on the courts wanted it to, not because some expert legal mind with only the best intentions found a flaw that the rest of the world overlooked for decades.

It was overturned for political reasons and not for legal ones.
 
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This is an irrelevant truism. It was a ruling. Rulings have legal weight.



For thirty years, that's exactly what the Constitutional right to privacy did.

In a pretty basic and fundamental sense, you don't seem to grasp what court rulings actually are. The ruling determines the official interpretation of the law. So until Roe was overturned, the law unequivocally, officially and legally, did cover abortion. That's not under debate.
A ruling and a law are 2 different things.

And for 30 years, the Roe decision didn't make legal sense. If the right to privacy did unequivocally and legally cover abortion, Roe wouldn't have been overturned. Explain how right to privacy with words and basic logic extends to some abortions but not all abortions. Also, if you want right to privacy to allow for abortions, then it would extend to literally any other medical procedure also being allowed. Hence, why the Roe decision was a blatant instance of court overreach.
 

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Allegedly. Truth of the matter is that it got overturned because some Christian zealots on the courts wanted it to, not because some expert legal mind with only the best intentions found a flaw that the rest of the world overlooked for decades.

It was overturned for political reasons and not for legal ones.
Again, as I said to Silvanus:
Explain how right to privacy with words and basic logic extends to some abortions but not all abortions. Also, if you want right to privacy to allow for abortions, then it would extend to literally any other medical procedure also being allowed.

And you don't know shit in general. So what's your know nothing point?
And goal post moved...