German police conduct raids on people posting hate speech and plans to commit violence targeting women online.

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Before Thursday’s raids, investigators had been working for a long time to identify alleged perpetrators hiding behind the anonymity offered by the internet.



In Germany, sweeping slurs against women can be punishable as incitement to hatred.

In preparation for the raids, authorities scoured the internet for posts that potentially broke anti-misogyny laws and attempted to identify the authors. The names of the suspects will then be forwarded to the public prosecutor’s offices in the states where they live in order to decide whether to proceed or not with criminal prosecution.

German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said women and girls are more likely to be victims of hate crimes and online bullying. “We need very clear signs of a stop here. Misogynistic hate crime must lead to charges and convictions, and word should get around,” Faeser said.


Communications that are considered illegal include posts in which women are slandered and insulted in a sexualized manner, or publicly encouraged to send nude photos. The authorities also flagged posts that advocated rape or sexual assault or that distributed videos of torture or killing.

The raids concentrated on suspects who had set their sights on well-known women like female politicians - often the target of misogynistic hatred online. Investigators also sought out suspects who have threatened women not in the public eye.
 
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In Germany, sweeping slurs against women can be punishable as incitement to hatred.

1984 unironically.
 

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Did you miss the part about the suspects planning to rape women or sharing videos of torturing them?
Except for the fact that nothing like this happens in Nineteen Eighty-Four, and that society actually encourages sweeping slurs and expressions of hatred.
I just read that saying or posting 'fuck feminism' means you can get arrested. Prove me wrong.
 

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"In Germany, sweeping slurs against women can be punishable as incitement to hatred."

"In preparation for the raids, authorities scoured the internet for posts that potentially broke anti-misogyny laws and attempted to identify the authors. The names of the suspects will then be forwarded to the public prosecutor’s offices in the states where they live in order to decide whether to proceed or not with criminal prosecution."

"German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said women and girls are more likely to be victims of hate crimes and online bullying. “We need very clear signs of a stop here. Misogynistic hate crime must lead to charges and convictions, and word should get around,” Faeser said."

Germany and no free speech name a more iconic duo.
 

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Hate crimes and free speech?
Next you're going to be upset that people in Germany aren't legally allowed to raise their arms while yelling "Heil Hitler!"
You want to stop bad shit from happening in society. You don't do it with laws, all they do is delay the inevitable. Societies and social norms rise and fall on momentum. It's not random German incels and MRAs that are the problem in Germany right now. It's the rising AFD because the German Soc Dems suck, and the Christan Democrats suck. Both banned nuclear power, and both backed reductions in spending during a recession which is only something an economic lunatic would do, and both have trashed their country's foreign policy so that their country is known as the doormat of Europe. Germany is currently in a recession right now, all they had to do was ask for a better deal on US natural gas in exchange for something else like tariffs on BYD cars, and or the Taurus missile to Ukraine, Germany's former defense minister is an idiot who let the than rusting German Euro Typhoons break down to where less than half the fleet doesn't work. They wasted their peace dividend. What did spending less on arms get them, their car business sucks thanks to China, they have no tech sector, and they let the Americans beat them to Machine learning.
 

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What, if anything, do you think the point of laws is then?
Exceptions, and loopholes. If you want to stop Nazis you don't do it with laws, you do it with good governance, and a civically minded citizenry. It's hard it's not easy there are no shortcuts, many major Western countries are on the path to it with France to Le Pen, Germany to the AFD, the US to Trump, and Italy already there, Japan's one-party state in almost all elections, Canada isn't falling to fascism but I woudln't be surprised if they do 5 to ten years down the line given the poor economic performance.

I hate to put on my liberal hat but most people are generally idiots. Any idiot stupid enough to believe their king is a philosopher king a reformist who's a very up-to-date policy-maker doesn't see the other side of it. They don't see the Maos, or Stalins, Pol-Pots. They think good bread costs much more let's go vote for an angry person likely a man.

Edit: Vote or Support.
 

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Exceptions, and loopholes. If you want to stop Nazis you don't do it with laws, you do it with good governance, and a civically minded citizenry.
You do realize the reason many actual nazi sympathizers post-WW2 could remain active in the government BECAUSE of "civically minded citizenry", right?
 

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"In Germany, sweeping slurs against women can be punishable as incitement to hatred."

"In preparation for the raids, authorities scoured the internet for posts that potentially broke anti-misogyny laws and attempted to identify the authors. The names of the suspects will then be forwarded to the public prosecutor’s offices in the states where they live in order to decide whether to proceed or not with criminal prosecution."

"German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said women and girls are more likely to be victims of hate crimes and online bullying. “We need very clear signs of a stop here. Misogynistic hate crime must lead to charges and convictions, and word should get around,” Faeser said."

Germany and no free speech name a more iconic duo.
None of this means saying 'fuck feminism' can get you arrested.
 

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None of this means saying 'fuck feminism' can get you arrested.
You don't think someone can interpret "fuck feminism" as an example of " sweeping slurs against women "? I always find it interesting how some folks will either read these things in the broadest way possible or extremely narrowly depending on what best serves them.