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Thor: Darkworld is so boring I don't even remember why I didn't like it or why it was boring only that I have one of those evolutionary gut instinct reactions to the suggestion of rewatching it. I know for a fact I've seen it once and tried to rewatch it possibly 3 times.

It actually fits right in with Twilight and Force Awakens. Three movies that have no inherent "flaws". Like theres nothing functionality broken with them. People act towards the screen, a plot starts and completes, but it is so dull I couldn't stay awake if you taped my eyelids back clockwork orange style.
 

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Thor: Darkworld is so boring I don't even remember why I didn't like it or why it was boring only that I have one of those evolutionary gut instinct reactions to the suggestion of rewatching it. I know for a fact I've seen it once and tried to rewatch it possibly 3 times.

It actually fits right in with Twilight and Force Awakens. Three movies that have no inherent "flaws". Like theres nothing functionality broken with them. People act towards the screen, a plot starts and completes, but it is so dull I couldn't stay awake if you taped my eyelids back clockwork orange style.
I pretty much hate all of Phase 2. You couldn't get me touch any of them since they debuted.
 
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Oops long story short I typed out this massive rant about The Iron Claw being misery porn, but it accidentally got deleted and Im too lazy to type it all out again.

I saw The Iron Claw. Great acting, great Cinematography, great story, but its depressing to the point that by the end youre kinda rolling your eyes when the music intones that yet another terrible thing is going to happen in the next scene. Its really hard to recommend to anyone who isn't into these modern tragedies. Would fit right along side Parasite or Sympathy for mr vengeance.
 
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Shanghai Express (1932)

Marlene Dietrich plays a prostitute named Shanghai Lily, Clive Brook plays a stuffy British captain from her past. They meet again on the Shanghai Express along with a cast of colorful characters as would befit a Lucky Luke comic (the gambler, the preacher, the old lady, etc.). There's a traitor among them and the train is stopped and taken hostage by the CCP (the Chinese Civil War is raging on in the background). So far so good. Here the movie slows down and we get to the crux of the story, which has Dietrich and Brook taking turns to sacrifice themselves to the local warlord in order to save each other. Except Brook doesn't know this - he incorrectly (and stupidly) assumes that he's on top of the situation, and that Dietrich is merely falling back into her whoring ways. The situation sorts itself out rather spectacularly and the third act plays out the moral of the story: whether a man can get the fuck over himself and simply trust the woman he loves without having to profile her.

This was pre-Code and suprisingly progressive for its time. Remarkably the Dietrich character isn't punished or morally judged by the movie, and she doesn't have to answer to anyone in the end (that's really the whole movie's point). I guess that would be progressive for today, too, although a remake would probably make her motivations more ambiguous and hide from the audience whether she does fall back on her ways or not (making the audience take that leap of faith as well).
 
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Oops long story short I typed out this massive rant about The Iron Claw being misery porn, but it accidentally got deleted and Im too lazy to type it all out again.

I saw The Iron Claw. Great acting, great Cinematography, great story, but its depressing to the point that by the end youre kinda rolling your eyes when the music intones that yet another terrible thing is going to happen in the next scene. Its really hard to recommend to anyone who isn't into these modern tragedies. Would fit right along side Parasite or Sympathy for mr vengeance.
The crazy thing is, the real life story is even more tragic. They cut out another son who killed himself because they thought that would push the movie over the edge of believability.
 

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Because I was on an international flight and airplanes only deserve bad movies.

Bad writing, bad acting, boring action, unlikable characters. I have no idea why Sony keeps insisting on doing this series of Spider-man sans Spider-man movies, or why all of them are so fucking terrible.

The funniest part of the entire movie is how hard everyone has to work to not say "Spider-man." The villain is a "Spider-person," and there's a tribe of "Spider-people."

Also, the big hero of the movie turns out to be Pepsi. The main villain is literally defeated by product placement. Frankly, if I was Pepsi I would be embarrassed to be associated with this piece of shit, much less pay to have my product prominently displayed in it.
 
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I somehow overlooked this one doing my dive. I knew it was part of the library, just thought it was released later than it was, so I missed it on my list.

 
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Speed, 8/10

This is one of the most quintessential action classics of the 90s, and one of the most ingeniously straightforward plot setups for an action movie ever: There's a bus in LA with a bomb on it, and if it drops to below 50 mph the bomb explodes. That's it, and that's all it needs. I think it's kind of a masterpiece. It's not anything revolutionary or truly special, but it's a total masterclass in pacing, effects, doing a lot with relatively little, and just being entertaining. It's a movie anyone can watch any time and enjoy themselves. Dennis Hopper is in full scenery chewing mode as the villain. It's one of those movies that knows how to use Keanu Reeves right, and it's one of his best performances. It's laser focused, excellently paced, looks great, the action's thrilling, overall it holds up amazingly.
 

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Speed, 8/10

This is one of the most quintessential action classics of the 90s, and one of the most ingeniously straightforward plot setups for an action movie ever: There's a bus in LA with a bomb on it, and if it drops to below 50 mph the bomb explodes. That's it, and that's all it needs. I think it's kind of a masterpiece. It's not anything revolutionary or truly special, but it's a total masterclass in pacing, effects, doing a lot with relatively little, and just being entertaining. It's a movie anyone can watch any time and enjoy themselves. Dennis Hopper is in full scenery chewing mode as the villain. It's one of those movies that knows how to use Keanu Reeves right, and it's one of his best performances. It's laser focused, excellently paced, looks great, the action's thrilling, overall it holds up amazingly.
It's a shame Jan de Bont kinda disappeared after this. I know he did Speed 2, Twister, and ugh Tomb Raider: Cradle of Life, but he never reached the heights he did with Die Hard (as DP) and Speed. The guy had an incredible knack for making movies look "big". Even watching Die Hard and Speed on a regular TV now gives off that feel like you're watching it on the big screen, with how scenes are framed and lit.
 

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Planet of the Apes (1968), 9/10

Another quintessential classic, and quite timely with the release of the new instalment. This also holds up incredibly well sans some wonky looking sets, and I was surprised by it in a lot of ways. I kind of expect a certain level of cheesiness when it comes to old sci-fi, but this is very serious and mature. Surprisingly intense too, with the hunt scene near the beginning: the apes aren't just catching the humans or harassing them for fun, they're straight up slaughtering them en masse and stringing them up like game. It very effectively lays out how the movie means to go on: you're not in for a nice story about peace and love. It's a dark and savage world you're in.

Despite everyone knowing this movie's famous ending, it's actually only the punctuation mark to a story about society, animal rights, and the clash or science and religion. Similarly toTexas Chainsaw Massacre six years after this, Planet of the Apes takes a brutally unsubtle hammer to the issue of animal rights by sticking people in cages and whipping them around like animals. The movie takes some vicious swipes at organized religion, sham trials and anti-science sentiment, but at the same time presents these topics with a surprising degree of nuance: you get the sense that the society has evolved as it is out of necessity, or at least the perception of it. The fundamentalist society the apes have created is not nice by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems like the leaders are almost as trapped by it as their underlings. It seems that Dr Zaius has seen an unspeakable truth about the past, yet is unable to properly lead society to avoid the same mistakes.

Charlton Heston is great. There's hardly a shot in the film where he isn't present, and he carries the movie expertly. His character arc is quite complex and interesting, especially for a movie of its time period: Taylor's a cynic and an asshole, yet maintains some twisted sense of hope in being thrust hundreds of lightyears away from humanity. There's a lot between the lines to bite into, and him being essentially broken down to his fundamental components and built back up over the course of the movie is very engaging. The score is also outstanding, with a surprisingly modern ambient feel. With its ominous drums and low strings it almost feels like a horror movie score at times.

But the ending is what this movie is known for, and even when you know where it's going it's still incredible. I would love to go back in time to see the audience's reaction, because I imagine this must have been beyond transgressive at the time. What makes it work that it seems like the movie's entering its final act in conjunction with Taylor's character arc: he's built his strength back up, he's effectively defeated the apes and is riding away with his gun and woman on his side. By all accounts he's reached the typical Hollywood triumph and headed to slay the dragon. And then it hits you with the reveal that everything and everyone he's known is gone and all of his struggles have been in vain. It's a brutal gut punch that hits hard even today. It reminded me of the ending of the original Mad Max in a way, in that the character ends the movie irreparably broken in a very non-Hollywood fashion.

So yeah, this is an S-tier classic for a good reason. It's both cerebral and exciting, intelligent and entertaining, and beyond some dated production values I don't find much to criticize. Bumped to a 9 from an initial 8.
 
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Bring me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)

Neo-Western by Sam Peckinpah. Warren Oates plays a down on his luck bartender taking on a bounty from a mexican crime boss to bring him the head of the man who got his daughter pregnant, dragging along his girlfriend. Now, that man, the eponymous Alfredo Garcia, is already dead so exhuming his remains and taking his head, he figures, shouldn't be too difficult. It turns out he's wrong.

I saw Wild Bunch a couple of weeks ago and didn't quite know what to make of it, but after seeing Alfredo Garcia I can confidently say that I'm not on a wavelength with Peckinpah at all. Maybe there's something I'm missing here but I feel like the guy couldn't direct impactful violence for shit. The scenes of his protagonists gunning down entire platoons of random adversaries feel so cartoonish and so utterly removed from the raw cynicism and brutality that their tone insists on that all investment just dissipates once they get going. Don't get me wrong here, there are actually a whole lot of individual beats in this that I think are interesting, most of them happening after, spoiler, the girlfriend dies and he's on his way to take back the head, but the conclusion is way too ridiculous for me to take any of it seriously.

See, there's a discussion to be had about violence in movies. Realistic violence, gratuitous violence, satisfying violence, stylized violence, cartoonish violence, shocking violence... and in many cases it's not so much the nature of the violence itself as the context around it that determines what kind you're seeing, or at least what you're seeing it as. There's no context in which a character we've only gotten to know as a sleazy, drunken sadsack shooting up a room full of armed gangsters is ever gonna work as a conclusion to something that's been built up as a nihilistic neo-western that certainly has a touched exaggeration but not to the point of going off into complete fantasy.

Which, again, is a shame, because there's some basic framework of a good movie in there. Warren Oates is fantastic in the lead role, in the way he embodies an amalgamation of sleaze and sadness who, one way or another, is gonna dig his own grave before too long. What makes that performance work is that he very decidedly isn't a badass, he isn't a Clint Eastwood type, he's a cowardly scumbag who's barely hanging on. The way he's starting to lose his mind after his girlfriend is murdered is portrayed quite well. But the way the movie frames his quest for revenge almost feels like it's about as out of touch with reality as he is. And, see, it was somewhat the same with Wild Bunch.

I simply don't see a place for these big, operatic standoffs in movies that otherwise try to drive home the cruelty and futility of a lawless life. I don't see the point of establishing characters as crude and pathetic and then affording them the glory of killing all their enemies and going down in a blaze of glory. This is something that a movie like The Great Silence understood so incredibly well. Despite all of its nihilistic posturing, a movie like Alfredo Garcia still feels frustratingly escapist. It's not willing to confront that a meaningless life usually ends in a meaningless death.
 
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Godzilla Minus One

I've never been a big fan of the King Kong or Godzilla movies. I did like the first ones, once I got around seeing them. But even as a kid I remember thinking Inspector Gadget's Godzilla looked dark and ugly, and I don't really care for the new ones either. I feel like Kong more or less works as a character, within the limitations of his origin/death story, but any attempt at turning Godzilla into a "character" is a waste of time and effort. I can't take seriously all those human characters who keep explaining Godzilla's thoughts and feelings and motivations when all the thing does is trample around stupidly and kill indiscriminately.

So I do like how in Minus One the thing is back to being a natural disaster, like an incoming tsunami or a walking volcano, to be stifled or wrangled and contained rather than interpreted religiously ("He's here to bring balance!") or any other nonsense. And those pesky human characters who keep getting in the way of spectacle feel much more integral here than in the American movies. I mean most of them are borderline cartoons and orbits the main dude almost as if they know he's the protagonist of the story, but I found them much more compelling than the usual cast of "who's hot right now" who phone it in every time they make one of them Godzilla vs. Kongs.
 
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